Painter was shown on the big screen, but I couldn't find him in the stands anywhere, although I didn't look very hard. Holtman remained under the basket the whole time. Crean and his assistant started under the basket near Holtman, then crean moved to Calipari's suite where the two chatted for awhile.
Would be nice if our coach was representing us at state finals. Is he there??
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okay, but we know "they" know Matt was there and it is very interesting that you feel crean doesn't care about the camera. It is all good, people that like Crean...more power to them. People that think he is sleezy more power to them. Who am I to give an appearance that Crean likes the spotlight? What prey tell would I point to in support of that?
Painter has a lot to learn about recruiting......one in coming recruit this year with several open scholarships available and maybe 7 or 8 available in 2017...way to many for one year......and 2017 will be one of the best in Indiana in several years and he will strike out with the elite ones in Indiana........has only one McDonalds AA in 11 years recruiting.......not a flame just facts
How do we "know" that the players were aware of his presence? The coaches were shown on the jumbotron directly over center court, which is impossible for the players to see. As opposed to actually being seen sitting on the front row under the basket where they couldn't have possibly been missed while the teams were warming up. The entire point of being there is to be seen.
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WOW, really? Your opinion is that the only reason to be at a game where recruits are playing is to be seen? So, in that case, a great coach could use a body-double and be at two games at the same time? Or two body doubles and ....
My son was recruited and played D1. I GUARANTEE you that he knew every coach that was at every game. And where they sat had NOTHING to do with how much he liked them. a VERY SUPERFICIAL reason to make a choice of where to live and who to live with for four years. In fact, the aspect of being a movie star can turn-off as many recruits as it turns on ... in my case, I prefer the type of player that it turns off, but that's just me.
Tell me exactly what is "movie star" about sitting close to the floor? It's easier to hear how a kid interacts with his teammates/coaches referees from 30 feet away than 200. It's easier in a place like Bankers Life not to be constantly be signing autographs and taking selfies and instead focus on the action if you're in a reserved spot down low. It's easier to be seen. This is no different from the exposure events where they rope off sections right under the basket. I promise you, at AAU tournaments, Cal, Roy and Coach K aren't sitting 10 rows back with the mid-major and lower level coaches. They are front and center being seen. Bury your head all you want, that's reality and how the recruiting game is played.
i can't imagine that any player in the building is unaware of who is coming long before the game. I think it gets out on the inter webs or something
perhaps that has less to do with the kids at THAT game and more to do with other kids? Those players knew as did the coaches. Different approaches by two very different people. Personally, I can't recall IU having a difficulty recruiting players although I think the state of Indiana coaches are not quite as cuddly to Crean as in the past. It really makes no difference to me what Crean does as he is not limited in the ways he can entertain me...
he needs to coach his personality...it makes no difference to me. If IU grads are happy with him, then why should anyone else care. I mean it is not like my tax dollars go towards athletics at IU ...or do they?
You win. You know more than I do. You have more experience than I do. You are clearly a great coach. I apologize for even the thought of disputing your incredible wisdom.
Why dou you think coaches go to the games of 5* players? Do you honestly think it's to see if they're good enough? It's to coddle the players. It's to let them know they're willing to make a commitment to them. It's to stroke their egos. Coaches don't need to go watch Joe Stud 9 times to see if they can cut it. They go to be seen by the recruits!
Interesting how you would take both events out of context. Must be a bloomington thing.Giving a hug to one of his players in the immediate aftermath of their season ending is creepy? You think Keady never gave a player a hug when they were upset?
Holy god, what's this, an arm around TWO players? What's he, some kind of pervert?
LOL. Yeah, so you got my point. But you crean fans are ignoring the context that has already been presented and just focusing on the image. Thanks for proving my point.
How am I taking those pics any more out of context than what the Purdue fan posting the Crean lockerroom pic did? Kid had lost his final game of the season. Was upset and crying. The coach sits down and gives the kid an encouraging hug. Purdue fans find that creepy. That says a lot more about you than it does about Crean.
Since I was very active in recruiting both BB and FB for Purdue, I can guarantee that the kids I was recruiting knew every game of theirs I would be in attendance at, no matter where I sat. They know who will be at thier games . Some of the kids and their families liked the showman type like Crean while many others preferred the more reserved and honest type like Painter.
And, again, I'm going to need it explained to me how sitting on the front row is being a "showman"? I mean, is he doing goddamned backflips with the cheerleaders during timeouts and wearing the candystripes? No? He's just sitting there watching the game? Your definitions of showman and movie star need some work. Sitting there and eating a popcorn doesn't quite cut it.
Thank you. You said it better in my two or three posts. personally, I hope Matt lands the best player he can get that represents Purdue well outside the lines and doesn't think the world revolves around him.
Because you ignored the comments about the pic when it was posted. See the comment in this thread by StateStreet123. Do you really think that only Purdue fans find crean creepy? Again, it must be a bloomington thing.
How exactly do you coddle someone that you can't talk to face to face?
You are totally right about letting them know about the commitment and stroking egos - which is ALL done through NCAA approved means ... and not face to face at this time of year.
But again, you must have had more than one son recruited to D1 and spent more than 100 games sitting with coaches at HS games and more than 200 sitting with coaches at AAU games ... I defer to your infinite wisdom ...
Fine, the dude isn't photogenic. If you had 2000 pictures a day taken of you and we got to delight at picking out the most fun ones to run with, the same could be said of all of us here. Again, not creepy. Dude has zero control of what he looks like. And again, more an issue of people mocking how someone looks which is far creepier (and sadder) in my book.
So, you agree with me. Look up what coddle means, then you'll agree with everything I said.
You have an interesting way of twisting things.
CODDLE
verb (used with object), coddled, coddling.
1.to treat tenderly; nurse or tend indulgently; pamper:
So you interpret that to be accomplished better by sitting near the floor at games? Yes, it is done, but far more by words said to them either in communications after the game or in person during the NCAA face to face times.
This is sort of a weird debate. Let's try a little logic.
- First, the kid being recruited knows all the coaches who are there, regardless of where they sit, so why would it matter to the recruit?
- Second, the notoriety at the game was about the same. Painter had his picture up on the Jumbo Tron just like all the other coaches. So why does it matter to anyone else?
- Third, sitting at courtside provides a poor scouting location for the coach, so why would a coach want to sit there? Don't kid yourself that the coach only goes to these games for the one 5* playing. He is looking at other kids too.
- Forth, the only reason I could figure to sit courtside is the personal notoriety. Yes, that can help recruiting to some small degree, but it might be pretty much meaningless to the kid being recruited.
Yeah, he can help how he looks. It's not like he ever says anything creepy. And I've been thing about this a lot. A whole lot.
LOL! You've got it pretty bad for him, monte. You are really going to injure yourself twisting and stretching to take this out of context, and no one is going to buy it. You love crean for your own personal reasons. It's a bloomington thing. We get it.
Nope, it's just pathetic for you all to fixate on his looks. But I guess when you've been playing second fiddle for roughly 75 years in this series you hang on to what you need to. FWIW, I think it's equally pathetic for IU fans to fixate on Painter's weight or Gene Keady's hair.
If we are so "pathetic" then why are you here trying to convince us? Just stay at Peegs and enjoy yourself. No need to come here and try to change the minds of these pathetic souls. You obviously don't come here often, why now???
Actually, I agree that looks should be off limits. However, most of this thread concerned him being weird...creepy some said. I do get a kick out of someone talking about 75 years and ignoring the last 10 or 25 years. Crean isn't the face of IU...Kinsey is...you know the guy that falsified data, and although not contained to just some pedaphilia, but enjoyed his prostitutes. Crean will long be gone and Kinsey will remain...
Seriously, Crean can do what he wants. He only needs to satisfy IU, not Purdue people...although we do pay for some of his things since the IU athletic department is not self supporting. That said, there are differences between Painter and Crean and to each their own...
Crean at IU is fine with me
Ignoring the last 25 years? Since 1991...
Big 10 titles: 5-4 IU
NCAA appearances: 20-18 IU (I'm even including the one Purdue was forced to vacate)
Sweet 16 trips: 8-6 IU
Final Fours: 2-0 IU
10 year timeframe I'll give you. I was one of the unhappy ones that washed my hands of the Hoosiers for a couple years when they hired that scuzzbucket from Oklahoma. God, if you're going to go that route you might as well get Calipari, he wanted to be in Bloomington at that point. I'd have bailed on my fandom at that point as well but at least Teflon Cal somehow manages to disguise his involvement better than Sampson ever did.
Big 10 titles: 5-4 IU
NCAA appearances: 20-18 IU (I'm even including the one Purdue was forced to vacate)
Sweet 16 trips: 8-6 IU
Final Fours: 2-0 IU
10 year timeframe I'll give you. I was one of the unhappy ones that washed my hands of the Hoosiers for a couple years when they hired that scuzzbucket from Oklahoma. God, if you're going to go that route you might as well get Calipari, he wanted to be in Bloomington at that point. I'd have bailed on my fandom at that point as well but at least Teflon Cal somehow manages to disguise his involvement better than Sampson ever did.
Hey Monte, just for the record, it was more than an encouraging hug. A hug typically lasts less than 30 seconds. Crean had Bryant sitting in his lap for over 15 minutes. And it is not just Purdue fans. There were national media pundits that tweeted about it - and that is was a bit 'uncomfortable' and creepy. All agreed that it was a difficult situation and Bryant is a real good kid. But those national media folk brought up that Crean knew exactly where the cameras were (and told them to turn them off) and it just felt 'odd' that he continued in that position as long as he did. While acknowledging the tough loss, they felt it would be remiss not to question the 15 plus minute cajoling as over-the-top.
Look, I like Bryant and also think Crean has done a good job. As for how folks react to a tough loss; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I hadn't looked it up and only was interested when the two teams played. You can't compare different teams wins and losses. Shoot IU used to always win their Holiday Classic..how do we use data like that to compare programs? Head to head...anything else is not a comparison, just a comment
As far as I can tell, you are the only one here concerned with his looks. Why? If you think he looks creepy, that's your opinion. But why do you keep bringing it up? Those less shallow than you look to his behavior. You think his behavior isn't creepy. I get it. It's a bloomington thing. But you seem to be as obsessed with his looks as you are with our opinion of him. I don't get that.
It's all relative. Monte doesn't understand. What's so bad about crean's behavior at a place where Kinsey and Jared are heroes? It's a bloomington thing.
I have on several occaisions talked about D1 coaches in gyms watching players with the Old Coach. Per the Old Coach, the whole crowd and the players know the recruiting coach is in the gym within minutes of arrival regardless of where he sits. The vast majority of name coaches at a State Final are there just to show face while a small few actually watch and evaluate the game as it is played in front of them. This is the case when any coach shows up.
Painter is an evaluator because he believes that to be important and it is his nature. Painter is no showman like Crean or Izzo or Matta or etc. Never will be.
What's important is the coach visiting your home gym on multiple occaisons. Those are the ones that count to the player. During those visits, their is a bunch of indirect conversation between the coach and the player...it's just delivered through other parties. At something like a State Final Game, there are usually more than one player that believes that the coach is there to see him...and only him. Coaches presence is no big deal in that context except that he has to be there to save face for his school. As for Creanny...The dipps in the front rows like to see him becuse those fans know nothing of real basketball generally. Like Dick Vitale dancing with the cheer leaders making a fool of himself doesnt mean he wants a date with one of the young ladies.
FWIW.
Painter is an evaluator because he believes that to be important and it is his nature. Painter is no showman like Crean or Izzo or Matta or etc. Never will be.
What's important is the coach visiting your home gym on multiple occaisons. Those are the ones that count to the player. During those visits, their is a bunch of indirect conversation between the coach and the player...it's just delivered through other parties. At something like a State Final Game, there are usually more than one player that believes that the coach is there to see him...and only him. Coaches presence is no big deal in that context except that he has to be there to save face for his school. As for Creanny...The dipps in the front rows like to see him becuse those fans know nothing of real basketball generally. Like Dick Vitale dancing with the cheer leaders making a fool of himself doesnt mean he wants a date with one of the young ladies.
FWIW.
Do you think if you press the repeat button on "It's a Bloomington thing" enough times that it will eventually mean something? Does it strike you as a clever thought?
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