if so, for how long? It’s asking a lot to have players in their 4th game in 4 days to press. Maybe, Purdue should come out pressing…at least for a few possessions. The more Purdue can make the game a track meet in the first half, the more likely OSU will be gassed for the second half. In any event, Purdue CANNOT lose tomorrow. It would be abominable…bad, even.
Will OSU be able to press, and…
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I'll refrain from sayin the table is set, last time I used that phrase was before St . Peter's
From what I remember they struggled with doubling. Should help with Big Maple.
Seems like whenever the table is set for the mighty Boilers, some dog walks into the dining room, clutches the tablecloth in his teeth and walks toward the kitchen, unceremoniously bringing the place settings crashing to the floor.
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Teams do not just learn to press like Rutgers or Iowa overnight. Coaches to not add it to there philosophy overnight. We handle pressure fine, and Rutgers press gives everyone fits. Unless we run into a team that specializes in it and does it often I do not believe it will cause us as much trouble.
Did Purdue have problems with Iowa’s. 1-2-2 or 1-2-1-1 depending on Purdue’s alignment? I can’t recall struggles , but these games run together sometimes.
We had a bit of issues with it, but that's to be expected. It's like playing Syracuse's zone for once or twice a year. You're not always going to look great against it. But other teams will not look the same if they deploy it or have near the same effectiveness.
I agree with that. I just couldn’t recall Iowa’s press causing problems this year, but Maryland and Rutgers 2-2-1 caused problems where Illinois and IU was primarily half court man pressure
Maryland, Iowa, Rutgers. All gave us issues. Not a coincidence, they are the only teams in the B1G that press. OSU doesn't full court press so won't see that today. We will see it in the big dance, you can bet on that. How we handle it could be the difference. Someone up above said "we handle pressure fine". I have no idea what team you've been watching??? Maryland and Rutgers aren't even very good teams and they gave us fits. We will face much better in the next 2 weeks.
I dont think OSU will do it as efficient. Bunch of inexperienced freshmen. Its when its older, bigger, and physical teams pressing where the issues arise.
We do handle general pressure fine. And have issues with teams that have press as a part of their identity. Again, teams don't just become good pressing teams overnight, or between NCAAT games.
This here just shows you don’t know what you are talking about. First off, they are pretty good teams.
Second, Rutgers has an elite defense. Possibly the best in the nation when you consider that Tennessee and UCLA just lost a good defender each.
“We have trouble playing offense against the best defense in the country????”
Big surprise…
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BIggest problem I see is that when we get the ball inbounds there is too much lateral dribbling trying to avoid the trap and get to passing angles. Rutgers and OSU did a good job of forcing the in bound pass to the side line with that triangle of defensive players guarding the paint against the throw in.
They need to think of stretching the floor and going more vertical with their ball movement.
We need two quick passes (easy to say!) and then that guy dribbles or passes it over the time line.
We had multiple occasions where there was a streaking man with a step that we avoided and instead kept dribbling and barely made it over the line. There were quite a few down to 1 second.
Gotta get better.
I still don't know why we don't drop Caleb into our paint for an outlet like we did last year.
They need to think of stretching the floor and going more vertical with their ball movement.
We need two quick passes (easy to say!) and then that guy dribbles or passes it over the time line.
We had multiple occasions where there was a streaking man with a step that we avoided and instead kept dribbling and barely made it over the line. There were quite a few down to 1 second.
Gotta get better.
I still don't know why we don't drop Caleb into our paint for an outlet like we did last year.
Agree on the verticality. They've also started using Mason Gillis coming forward. I think one of the issues with Caleb Furst is he's a little inconsistent from the FT line.
They did it perfectly once today for a Newman lay-in.
This does provide good in-game reps for seeing it further down the line.
You obviously don't watch much basketball outside of the B1G if you think Rutgers and Maryland are pretty good teams. Get out of your B1G bubble and watch other conferences. If Maryland and Rutgers played in the Big 12, they wouldn't even be tournament teams because they would have too many losses.
Rutgers defense is rated so high on KenPom because they hold and grab their way to 50 point games in the B1G. That wouldn't happen any where else and it won't translate to the tournament.
So if Rutgers holds and grabs their way to good metrics, why blame Purdue for struggling with them? We don’t need to worry about that outside of conference play per your point. So in trying to win a small point you proved your initial point to be flat out wrong and answered your own question. We struggle against Rutgers because they hold and grab us. QED
The point was: You said Rutgers and Maryland are "Pretty good teams". I'm telling you they are not good teams and wouldn't make the tournament if they played in the Big 12. It's not really hard to understand. The B1G has Purdue and then a bunch of mediocre teams. Acting like us beating Rutgers is some sort of big deal is wrong and my point to you. You didn't disagree when I said you don't watch anything outside of the B1G. It shows.
To insist that was your actual point is to be pedantic.
Your full point was that we should be panicking BECAUSE Purdue has trouble against a team like Rutgers. But as I’ve shown, EITHER:
1) Rutgers is actually an elite defense, one of the best we will play, in which case I’d say we are fine moving forward.
OR (as you claim)
2) Rutgers only appears good because they grab and hold. In which case we don’t need to worry because that won’t be allowed in the tournament.
Thus you have undermined yourself.
Okay, let me make this simple for you:
Rutgers is going to be an 11 seed (maybe a 10 if their lucky). Maryland will most likely be in an 8/9 game. We struggled against them, and yes, I think that is a reason to be concerned. And that is what I said.
You responded to that and said that both of those teams are "pretty good teams". You then added that Rutgers perhaps has the best defense in the country.
I pointed out to you that neither of those teams are pretty good and, in fact, wouldn't even make the tournament if they were in the Big 12. I added that the reason Rutgers ranks so high in Kenpom defense is because they play in the B1G and get to grab and hold and the scores are low so their ranking is inflated. They are not a pretty good team. You realize that even if you give credence to the high defensive ranking (which I don't), they are only ranked #40 in the net.
If you think those 2 teams are good there isn't anything else I can say to convince you otherwise and I won't try any further. You don't watch anything but B1G and therefore you just don't see what else is out there. Is Rutgers a good defensive team in the B1G? Yes, they are, but that doesn't mean they are a good or as you said maybe the best defensive team in the country. They just aren't. The fact that we struggled against them the 2 times we faced them is concerning to me. If it isn't concerning to you, then we can just agree to disagree. Lastly, I never used the word panicked (you might want to go back and read my original post that you responded to). I will let you have the last word on it, I'm done.
I think it benefits Purdue if games are called more tightly than what we often see in the Big Ten. Very few teams can effectively guard Edey without continual grabbing and pushing.
I agree with that.
I just don't think Rutgers or Maryland defenses are that good even with the physical play that we should struggle so much with them. It's just an opinion and others are certainly free to disagree with it.
I have little faith they will call fouls in the tourney against Zach as needed...thinking those 6'9" guys are just being quicker and not strong enough to defend Zach and let it go. That has been what happened in the past some. I just hope I am VERY wrong with this
