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Will Burke hire the next coach???

I think the most realistic scenario is laid out above.

Fire Hazell this year.
Hire a replacement on a 5 year contract.
Burke will retire in a couple years years (I will be shocked if they fire him).
New AD comes in year 2 or 3 of FB coach.
New AD makes call on that situation.

If it's year 2, the AD would go through the season and an offseason with the coach before needing to make decisions following the 3rd year. That's probably the best way. You don't really want an AD coming in knowing they have to fire a coach almost immediately (would be the first big thing they do). Which is basically what Hazell would be in the situation you're advocating. It just gets messy.
You will get a lesser coach if you insist on a 5 year contract instead of the more standard 6.

And many coaches will be turned off by the impending AD change.

Between those 2 limitations, and the fact that Burke is making the hire, odds are we don't get the guy we need.

I would rather stick it out with hazell for 1 more year, and let a new AD start fresh with the power to do as he sees fit.
 
One simple question: how much revenue are the 30K open seats costing us? -- OK maybe it only 20K seats? multiply that by the six home games for next year and the expected attendance drop if we continue? If those seats were filled how much does that generate just in ticket sales?

Did a little digging and some math since I have wondered the same thing for awhile:

Let's take a look at season ticket costs (using reduced costs of tickets from 2015)(I know it throws the numbers off bit and will make the numbers smaller than they should):
* Prime -- Discount, $430; full price, $474.
* Sideline -- Discount, $280; full price, $324.
* Touchdown -- Discount, $180; full price, $224.
* North End Zone (below the concourse) -- Discount, $140; full price, $179.

Now, the average attendance numbers:
Last season Purdue averaged a paltry 35,289 fans, down from roughly 45,100 the previous year (a 28% drop).
If the season plays out like most of us believe and the Boilers end up at 1-11 or 2-10, I'll give a generous 15% drop in attendance for 2015 and another 10% for 2016 (bad home slate next year with Eastern Kentucky, Cinncy, Nevada, Iowa, PSU, Northwestern, and Wisconsin).
That leaves roughly 30,000 average attendance for 2015 and roughly 27,000 for 2016.

Now I am going to take the Sideline season ticket sales as the middle of the road cost of ticket (I know numbers of tickets and demand are different, but I'm doing it to give those interested a general idea) of $324 per season ticket. I will then divide that by the number of home games to determine a best guess cost per game ticket. That leaves us at $54 per game.

Season ticket revenue generated (best guess estimate)
2013: $14,612,400
2014: $11,433,636
2015: $9,720000
2016: $8,748,000

Potential Best Guess Estimate for Revenue Lost:
2013 to 2014: $3,178,764
2014 to 2015: $1,713636
2015 to 2016: $972,000

Really, the differences are minuscule when looking at it from just a season ticket standpoint. Now, if you are look at it from the standpoint of 2013 to what I have projected to 2016, that is a bit troublesome ($5,864,400). However, the big revenue that is lost is from all other purchases. Things like concessions, souvenirs, merchandise, and parking are major sources of revenue for the athletic department on a game day.

Now, I know my numbers will be off due to difference of tickets prices and people dropping from expensive to cheaper seats to maintain JPC membership...but I wanted to do this to give a general idea of what it COULD look like in terms of revenue lost and potentially lost. My best guess estimate for the drop from 28% to 15% to 10% is simply that when you are getting down this low, you are talking about the base core of fans that will more than likely purchase no matter what to maintain good standing with JPC and the university.

For me, when taking in to account the money from the BTN, I am sure they are looking at it as covering their losses rather than using it to invest in to the program...essentially a stop-gap between a bag time and hopefully improvement in the future. The smart decision would have been to take the money from the BTN revenue sharing and invest directly back in to the football department on a yearly basis for facilities, staff, and upgrades to Ross-Ade. With that improvement to the program from directly investing the money from BTN to the major revenue source for the AD, you would potentially looking at a trickle down effect for all other sports with the money generated from the cash cow of football.

Hope this helps some people formulate some things in their minds.
 
Did a little digging and some math since I have wondered the same thing for awhile:

Let's take a look at season ticket costs (using reduced costs of tickets from 2015)(I know it throws the numbers off bit and will make the numbers smaller than they should):
* Prime -- Discount, $430; full price, $474.
* Sideline -- Discount, $280; full price, $324.
* Touchdown -- Discount, $180; full price, $224.
* North End Zone (below the concourse) -- Discount, $140; full price, $179.

Now, the average attendance numbers:
Last season Purdue averaged a paltry 35,289 fans, down from roughly 45,100 the previous year (a 28% drop).
If the season plays out like most of us believe and the Boilers end up at 1-11 or 2-10, I'll give a generous 15% drop in attendance for 2015 and another 10% for 2016 (bad home slate next year with Eastern Kentucky, Cinncy, Nevada, Iowa, PSU, Northwestern, and Wisconsin).
That leaves roughly 30,000 average attendance for 2015 and roughly 27,000 for 2016.

Now I am going to take the Sideline season ticket sales as the middle of the road cost of ticket (I know numbers of tickets and demand are different, but I'm doing it to give those interested a general idea) of $324 per season ticket. I will then divide that by the number of home games to determine a best guess cost per game ticket. That leaves us at $54 per game.

Season ticket revenue generated (best guess estimate)
2013: $14,612,400
2014: $11,433,636
2015: $9,720000
2016: $8,748,000

Potential Best Guess Estimate for Revenue Lost:
2013 to 2014: $3,178,764
2014 to 2015: $1,713636
2015 to 2016: $972,000

Really, the differences are minuscule when looking at it from just a season ticket standpoint. Now, if you are look at it from the standpoint of 2013 to what I have projected to 2016, that is a bit troublesome ($5,864,400). However, the big revenue that is lost is from all other purchases. Things like concessions, souvenirs, merchandise, and parking are major sources of revenue for the athletic department on a game day.

Now, I know my numbers will be off due to difference of tickets prices and people dropping from expensive to cheaper seats to maintain JPC membership...but I wanted to do this to give a general idea of what it COULD look like in terms of revenue lost and potentially lost. My best guess estimate for the drop from 28% to 15% to 10% is simply that when you are getting down this low, you are talking about the base core of fans that will more than likely purchase no matter what to maintain good standing with JPC and the university.

For me, when taking in to account the money from the BTN, I am sure they are looking at it as covering their losses rather than using it to invest in to the program...essentially a stop-gap between a bag time and hopefully improvement in the future. The smart decision would have been to take the money from the BTN revenue sharing and invest directly back in to the football department on a yearly basis for facilities, staff, and upgrades to Ross-Ade. With that improvement to the program from directly investing the money from BTN to the major revenue source for the AD, you would potentially looking at a trickle down effect for all other sports with the money generated from the cash cow of football.

Hope this helps some people formulate some things in their minds.
Are we to assume that many Purdue football fans will be excited by another Burke hire?
 
I'm sure many fans would forgive the University if Burke picked a winner.
Of course, but my point is that I don't think you will see an immediate spike in ticket sales on the hire, due to Burke's track record.
I think most fans will take a wait and see approach, and if the new coach turns it around, then they will jump back in. I would also advise the AD to price the product competitively in the new coach's first year.
 
Of course, but my point is that I don't think you will see an immediate spike in ticket sales on the hire, due to Burke's track record.
I think most fans will take a wait and see approach, and if the new coach turns it around, then they will jump back in. I would also advise the AD to price the product competitively in the new coach's first year.
We are in agreement… another point is that the fans will most likely site on the site lines waiting until Purdue get the winner… Unfortunately for Purdue, nature hates a vacuum, so those former fans may find something else to do with their loyalties which will slow the return even longer. Competition for recreational dollars (colts v boilers v bears v etc).
My overall point is that Purdue HAS to change its fortunes sooner rather than later, because later may be "too late".
 
Did a little digging and some math since I have wondered the same thing for awhile:

Let's take a look at season ticket costs (using reduced costs of tickets from 2015)(I know it throws the numbers off bit and will make the numbers smaller than they should):
* Prime -- Discount, $430; full price, $474.
* Sideline -- Discount, $280; full price, $324.
* Touchdown -- Discount, $180; full price, $224.
* North End Zone (below the concourse) -- Discount, $140; full price, $179.

Now, the average attendance numbers:
Last season Purdue averaged a paltry 35,289 fans, down from roughly 45,100 the previous year (a 28% drop).
If the season plays out like most of us believe and the Boilers end up at 1-11 or 2-10, I'll give a generous 15% drop in attendance for 2015 and another 10% for 2016 (bad home slate next year with Eastern Kentucky, Cinncy, Nevada, Iowa, PSU, Northwestern, and Wisconsin).
That leaves roughly 30,000 average attendance for 2015 and roughly 27,000 for 2016.

Now I am going to take the Sideline season ticket sales as the middle of the road cost of ticket (I know numbers of tickets and demand are different, but I'm doing it to give those interested a general idea) of $324 per season ticket. I will then divide that by the number of home games to determine a best guess cost per game ticket. That leaves us at $54 per game.

Season ticket revenue generated (best guess estimate)
2013: $14,612,400
2014: $11,433,636
2015: $9,720000
2016: $8,748,000

Potential Best Guess Estimate for Revenue Lost:
2013 to 2014: $3,178,764
2014 to 2015: $1,713636
2015 to 2016: $972,000

Really, the differences are minuscule when looking at it from just a season ticket standpoint. Now, if you are look at it from the standpoint of 2013 to what I have projected to 2016, that is a bit troublesome ($5,864,400). However, the big revenue that is lost is from all other purchases. Things like concessions, souvenirs, merchandise, and parking are major sources of revenue for the athletic department on a game day.

Now, I know my numbers will be off due to difference of tickets prices and people dropping from expensive to cheaper seats to maintain JPC membership...but I wanted to do this to give a general idea of what it COULD look like in terms of revenue lost and potentially lost. My best guess estimate for the drop from 28% to 15% to 10% is simply that when you are getting down this low, you are talking about the base core of fans that will more than likely purchase no matter what to maintain good standing with JPC and the university.

For me, when taking in to account the money from the BTN, I am sure they are looking at it as covering their losses rather than using it to invest in to the program...essentially a stop-gap between a bag time and hopefully improvement in the future. The smart decision would have been to take the money from the BTN revenue sharing and invest directly back in to the football department on a yearly basis for facilities, staff, and upgrades to Ross-Ade. With that improvement to the program from directly investing the money from BTN to the major revenue source for the AD, you would potentially looking at a trickle down effect for all other sports with the money generated from the cash cow of football.

Hope this helps some people formulate some things in their minds.
To me the really interesting point is this. If expenses remained relatively flat over the 2013 to 2016 period, which with the exception of Coaches salary could be a good assumptions. Then any revenue available for other athletes / programs took a 5.8 million dollar hit.
 
To me the really interesting point is this. If expenses remained relatively flat over the 2013 to 2016 period, which with the exception of Coaches salary could be a good assumptions. Then any revenue available for other athletes / programs took a 5.8 million dollar hit.

We might have to drop some minor sports. That would be karma if we had to get rid of swimming!
 
There is no way that Baylor or TCU should be as good as they are. Hire Philip Montgomery HC now at Tulsa or OCs Kendal Briles of Baylor, or Doug Meacham or Sonny Cumbie ot TCU and bring back high powered excitement to West LaFayette.
 
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