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Seems to me the consensus on this board is that he will fire hazell at the end of the season and hire the new coach.

There's no way Burke can be allowed to botch another hire, right?

I would rather keep hazell until a new AD takes over.
 
Seems to me the consensus on this board is that he will fire hazell at the end of the season and hire the new coach.

There's no way Burke can be allowed to botch another hire, right?

I would rather keep hazell until a new AD takes over.
Seriously, I cannot imagine a much destructive thing than what you just proposed - That is do nothing until the AD retires.
The football program has been circling the drain for about 10 years now, while the revenue total have fallen. Purdue Football is now headed down the drain and immediate changes need to be made to reverse the drop of incoming cash which keeps ALL of the athletic programs afloat. The Football revenue funds all other program except Mens Basketball.
A cold hard fact is athletics, scholarships, travel all run on money. If the revenue stream is insufficient, lots of bad things happen.
 
Seriously, I cannot imagine a much destructive thing than what you just proposed - That is do nothing until the AD retires.
The football program has been circling the drain for about 10 years now, while the revenue total have fallen. Purdue Football is now headed down the drain and immediate changes need to be made to reverse the drop of incoming cash which keeps ALL of the athletic programs afloat. The Football revenue funds all other program except Mens Basketball.
A cold hard fact is athletics, scholarships, travel all run on money. If the revenue stream is insufficient, lots of bad things happen.
You're settings your program up for conflict if the Coach isn't established and he's not the new AD's guy. Better to suck for another year if we can't chase off MB early.
 
I think Purdue has to change coaches for next year, if not, then recruiting and ticket sales will be awful and another year of hearing how bad the team is from ESPN, BTN and whoever, got to stop it somehow. Lets get the train back on track, its been derailed for a while now.
 
I am not a fan of letting MB hire another coach (or keep being our athletic director). I would prefer he go and then a new coach be hired.

If the BOT isn't going to make that happen, then the worst case scenario is MB hires another dud and we owe more back payments to people not coaching.

Only time will tell. I don't see anything happening in season.
 
I like the hypocrites on this board. Burke made the worst hire ever by hiring Hazell. Before Hazell ever coached a game the consensus of the board was Hazell was a good public speaker and seemed to have the right personality and ability to turn the program around. Now with the gift of hindsight, you all stand on the perch you made yourself and state, look how obvious of a bad head coach Hazell is. While today I will agree Hazell is not the right man for the job, I will not puff out my chest and claim I knew 3 summers ago Hazell was obviously going to only win 1 B1G game.
 
I like the hypocrites on this board. Burke made the worst hire ever by hiring Hazell. Before Hazell ever coached a game the consensus of the board was Hazell was a good public speaker and seemed to have the right personality and ability to turn the program around. Now with the gift of hindsight, you all stand on the perch you made yourself and state, look how obvious of a bad head coach Hazell is. While today I will agree Hazell is not the right man for the job, I will not puff out my chest and claim I knew 3 summers ago Hazell was obviously going to only win 1 B1G game.
I'd like you to post any comments you can find on here where ANYBODY said that they knew he'd be a terrible coach 3 seasons ago. Most gave him room to show what he could do but by the end of year 2 the writing was on the wall barring a miraculous turnaround which hasn't happened. If being realists and realizing it's not getting done after the two worst seasons in Purdue history is hypocrisy then you must have learned the definition over at Peegs.
 
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Daniels and the BOT's members appointed by him are squarely on the hot seat regarding these two issues! If and when the major boosters of the University get fed up with the current situations they will do nothing! Low season ticket sales and overall attendance will continue and losing will also cost the University and the JPC some donation dollars. UNTIL the major financial boosters of both the University and Athletics stop contributing it will be up to Burke to make the call to fire the staff at season's end, if this football season ends the way it is heading!!
 
Daniels and the BOT's members appointed by him are squarely on the hot seat regarding these two issues! If and when the major boosters of the University get fed up with the current situations they will do nothing! Low season ticket sales and overall attendance will continue and losing will also cost the University and the JPC some donation dollars. UNTIL the major financial boosters of both the University and Athletics stop contributing it will be up to Burke to make the call to fire the staff at season's end, if this football season ends the way it is heading!!


Well said. Couldn't agree more. This situation HAS to be managed by Mitch Daniels and the Purdue Board of Trustees. So far, they've been silent and done nothing and continued to have their hands out expecting Boilermakers to continue to lay cash in those hands. It is time to STOP buying tickets, making donations, etc... UNTIL Daniels and the BOT start to make tough decisions and DO THEIR JOB!
 
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Well said. Couldn't agree more. This situation HAS to be managed by Mitch Daniels and the Purdue Board of Trustees. So far, they've been silent and done nothing and continued to have their hands out expecting Boilermakers to continue to lay cash in those hands. It is time to STOP buying tickets, making donations, etc... UNTIL Daniels and the BOT start to make tough decisions and DO THEIR JOB!

Agree. I wrote a letter to Daniels on this topic a year back or so. The form letter back basically said: we have a budget for a athletics that we will operate in. Winning and losing isn't that terribly important. And anything we do will be on the up and up.

Also have had some "fundraising" people from the university visit me in person. Very similar response and they are clearly trained to change the subject very quickly.
 
You're setting your program up for conflict if the Coach isn't established and he's not the new AD's guy. Better to suck for another year if we can't chase off MB early.
There's probably some truth in that. But as long as the coach is making some progress, fans are more interested, and there is a general "vibe" that the team is headed in the right direction, it would be borderline stupid for a new AD to come in and wack a HC a year or two after he took the job. I guess it could happen, but at that point, Purdue could potentially have 2 buyouts going at the same time and would be a clear sign of instability in the program, likely making it even harder to hire a quality coach. If that were to happen, that would put me on alert that maybe the new AD hire was a bust.
 
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There's probably some truth in that. But as long as the coach is making some progress, fans are more interested, and there is a general "vibe" that the team is headed in the right direction, it would be borderline stupid for a new AD to come in an wack a HC a year or two after he took the job. I guess it could happen, but at that point, Purdue could potentially have 2 buyouts going at the same time and would be a clear sign of instability in the program, likely making it even harder to hire a quality coach. If that were to happen, that would put me on alert that maybe the new AD hire was a bust.
Being in a snarky mood today my only comment is "do you see signs of stability in our program today?"
 
Being in a snarky mood today my only comment is "do you see signs of stability in our program today?"
No. But wouldn't you agree the situation I described above would be indicative of the program being in an even more unstable situation than it is now?

My point was that if a new coach is hired before a new AD, and is promptly fired by new AD even if things are trending up, this program/University probably has a whole new set of problems on its hands than just a bad team, because that would seem to me to be really bad AD leadership right after an AD change. And - heaven forbid - if new AD were to fire new coach because things were trending down... well, at that point I'd be questioning whether it's even appropriate to field a football team anymore.
 
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No. But wouldn't you agree the situation I described above would be indicative of the program being in an even more unstable situation than it is now?

My point was that if a new coach is hired before a new AD, and is promptly fired by new AD even if things are trending up, this program/University probably has a whole new set of problems on its hands than just a bad team, because that would seem to me to be really bad AD leadership right after an AD change. And - heaven forbid - if new AD were to fire new coach because things were trending down... well, at that point I'd be questioning whether it's even appropriate to field a football team anymore.
With Purdue's conservative "keep your nose clean" approach I don't believe a new AD "could" fire someone if they were trending up but at the first sign of a slip it could get ugly in a hurry.
 
No. But wouldn't you agree the situation I described above would be indicative of the program being in an even more unstable situation than it is now?

My point was that if a new coach is hired before a new AD, and is promptly fired by new AD even if things are trending up, this program/University probably has a whole new set of problems on its hands than just a bad team, because that would seem to me to be really bad AD leadership right after an AD change. And - heaven forbid - if new AD were to fire new coach because things were trending down... well, at that point I'd be questioning whether it's even appropriate to field a football team anymore.
You will adversely affect the AD search if you hire a brand new coach to a 6 year guaranteed deal right before Burke steps down, for obvious reasons.
 
I like the hypocrites on this board. Burke made the worst hire ever by hiring Hazell. Before Hazell ever coached a game the consensus of the board was Hazell was a good public speaker and seemed to have the right personality and ability to turn the program around. Now with the gift of hindsight, you all stand on the perch you made yourself and state, look how obvious of a bad head coach Hazell is. While today I will agree Hazell is not the right man for the job, I will not puff out my chest and claim I knew 3 summers ago Hazell was obviously going to only win 1 B1G game.
I was never sold on Mini Tressel and his power running game, "establish the run" philosophy, thought he was another colletto. Turned out to not even be that good.
 
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You will adversely affect the AD search if you hire a brand new coach to a 6 year guaranteed deal right before Burke steps down, for obvious reasons.
I hadn't thought about that angle. Why do you think the AD search would be adversely affected though... is it just a general thought that an AD's success at any college appears to be so closely tied to the success of the football program? That certainly does make some sense, but are there any examples you're aware of where a school didn't get the AD it wanted because the AD before him had just signed a contract for a new football coach? To scare away an AD that would otherwise accept the job, I'd have to think this would take a pretty high level of disdain by the AD for the current football coach. But I dunno.
 
I hadn't thought about that angle. Why do you think the AD search would be adversely affected though... is it just a general thought that an AD's success at any college appears to be so closely tied to the success of the football program? That does make sense, but are there any examples you're aware of where a school didn't get the AD it wanted because the AD before him had just signed a contract for a new football coach?
Um.. That's pretty much a reality, not a "general thought", look no further than
Burke.

It's common sense that telling an AD candidate, "hey you are responsible for football revenues and success, but you can't fire this clown we just hired for at least 3 years" just might scare him off.
 
Um.. That's pretty much a reality, not a "general thought", look no further than
Burke.

It's common sense that telling an AD candidate, "hey you are responsible for football revenues and success, but you can't fire this clown we just hired for at least 3 years" just might scare him off.
I didn't mean "general thought" as in something stupid or random, I meant it more like "generally speaking", is this what you referring to. Sorry if it sounded critical. While I don't think it's a laughable position by any stretch, I do think there's a big difference in a new coach in place being a risk/concern for an AD that they'd put some thought into before accepting a job vs. a prospective AD flat turning down a job because of it. Not sure how we could find out, but I'd be curious to know whether this has actually happened before where an AD has so much concern for the current football coach (who's only been on the scene for 1-2 years tops) that he rejects the D job. That's why I asked if you were aware of any instances of this.
 
Purdue is in a big mess right now. We have a coach and staff that needs to be fired. We have an AD that doesn't know how to hire the correct coach. AD is scheduled to retire in two years which we know that the new AD will have a football coach that he is comfortable with and will want.

I don't think we can wait on firing Hazell once the season is over though. He has to go. He is a complete joke. Hopefully the new coach will do well and get along with the new AD.
 
Purdue is in a big mess right now. We have a coach and staff that needs to be fired. We have an AD that doesn't know how to hire the correct coach. AD is scheduled to retire in two years which we know that the new AD will have a football coach that he is comfortable with and will want.

I don't think we can wait on firing Hazell once the season is over though. He has to go. He is a complete joke. Hopefully the new coach will do well and get along with the new AD.
when DH was hired, I do remember one poster proclaim he is Turner Gill 2.
 
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I don't have an opinion of Burke and the job he does. An AD he has more to focus on than just football and his hands are tied on alot of things do to budgets constraints, so I can't address whether he's a good or bad AD. With that said, I went back (Google) and looked at the reaction from sports writers, sports sites,newspapers etc. when he was hired and everyone thought hazell was a good fit for Purdue and would be successful. I didn't see anything written that said Purdue made a bad decision. I even thought he would do well. So, here we are 2 1/2 years later, with the benefit of hindsight,and most on this board say that Burke is an idiot and made a bad decision. But let's be honest, how many of you on this board liked the hire then and would have laughed if someone would have told you he would be a huge failure and we'd be sitting at 5-24 in October of Hazell's 3rd season?
 
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I don't have an opinion of Burke and the job he does. An AD he has more to focus on than just football and his hands are tied on alot of things do to budgets constraints, so I can't address whether he's a good or bad AD. With that said, I went back (Google) and looked at the reaction from sports writers, sports sites,newspapers etc. when he was hired and everyone thought hazell was a good fit for Purdue and would be successful. I didn't see anything written that said Purdue made a bad decision. I even thought he would do well. So, here we are 2 1/2 years later, with the benefit of hindsight,and most on this board say that Burke is an idiot and made a bad decision. But let's be honest, how many of you on this board liked the hire then and would have laughed if someone would have told you he would be a huge failure and we'd be sitting at 5-24 in October of Hazell's 3rd season?


I think most people were glad to see Hope not around anymore. We were hoping for better things. Hazell has a good personality and is a likable guy. I liked this about the guy. He just didn't get the job for Purdue. Its time to move on and hire another coach.
 
I don't have an opinion of Burke and the job he does. An AD he has more to focus on than just football and his hands are tied on alot of things do to budgets constraints, so I can't address whether he's a good or bad AD. With that said, I went back (Google) and looked at the reaction from sports writers, sports sites,newspapers etc. when he was hired and everyone thought hazell was a good fit for Purdue and would be successful. I didn't see anything written that said Purdue made a bad decision. I even thought he would do well. So, here we are 2 1/2 years later, with the benefit of hindsight,and most on this board say that Burke is an idiot and made a bad decision. But let's be honest, how many of you on this board liked the hire then and would have laughed if someone would have told you he would be a huge failure and we'd be sitting at 5-24 in October of Hazell's 3rd season?
So you want Burke to hire the next football coach, after blowing 2 in a row?

And quite frankly, who cares if a bunch of fans and sportswriters thought it was a good hire? He should know more than us.
 
Seems to me the consensus on this board is that he will fire hazell at the end of the season and hire the new coach.

There's no way Burke can be allowed to botch another hire, right?

I would rather keep hazell until a new AD takes over.

Realistically, it's not going to happen.

You have to make a football hire by the end of the year. Who are you going to have hire a new coach? You aren't going to have a new athletic director in place.

Is it reasonable to expect Hazell to be fired at the end of the year? Yes. Is it reasonable to think Purdue will can MB and hire a replacement to hire a new athletic director in 2 months? No.
 
Realistically, it's not going to happen.

You have to make a football hire by the end of the year. Who are you going to have hire a new coach? You aren't going to have a new athletic director in place.

Is it reasonable to expect Hazell to be fired at the end of the year? Yes. Is it reasonable to think Purdue will can MB and hire a replacement to hire a new athletic director in 2 months? No.
No one's going to get excited about another coach hired by Burke.
 
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Well said. Couldn't agree more. This situation HAS to be managed by Mitch Daniels and the Purdue Board of Trustees. So far, they've been silent and done nothing and continued to have their hands out expecting Boilermakers to continue to lay cash in those hands. It is time to STOP buying tickets, making donations, etc... UNTIL Daniels and the BOT start to make tough decisions and DO THEIR JOB!
Gents - agree entirely and I've posted this several times: cut the cord
No more tickets (to anything)
No more JPC donations
No more donations to any fund raisers
Nothing, nada, zilch
Until they feel the heat, it's business as usual for them all.
Case in point; the latest fund raiser rollout with nary a mention of any athletic endeavor. They don't get it- make them feel it.
 
No one's going to get excited about another coach hired by Burke.

But again, if you're going to look at things in reality, what you want is not going to happen. Burke will not be fired and replaced by the end of the year. You aren't going to have some interim AD (and everyone at Purdue is a Burke Jr.) hire a football coach. You think that will make people more excited? Yeah right.

While I certainly think it's about time for there to be a transition taking place, it's just not realistic to expect it if you want Hazell out at the end of the season. Your only hope would be for Burke to retire at the end of the year, give Hazell another year and then let a new AD come in and fire him and hire a new coach.
 
That's what I said in my original post. Here are my objectives, in order of importance:

1. Burke fired
2. Burke not allowed to make any long term commitments on behalf of the university, before Objective 1 takes place.
3. Hazell fired

Why would it take so much longer to replace an AD than a BB or FB coach?

Seems like its a fait accompli that Burke is going stay until he's 65, no matter how many more blunders he makes, and no matter how much more revenue he costs the school. What other $70 million business is run like that?
 
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Seriously, I cannot imagine a much destructive thing than what you just proposed - That is do nothing until the AD retires.
The football program has been circling the drain for about 10 years now, while the revenue total have fallen. Purdue Football is now headed down the drain and immediate changes need to be made to reverse the drop of incoming cash which keeps ALL of the athletic programs afloat. The Football revenue funds all other program except Mens Basketball.
A cold hard fact is athletics, scholarships, travel all run on money. If the revenue stream is insufficient, lots of bad things happen.
The most destructive thing we could do is we try to hire a new AD while paying 2 former Burke hires $2 million plus each per year, and tell the AD candidate, "yeah, you are stuck with this guy for at least another 2 seasons", which he almost assuredly would be.

Why can't we get an AD in place between now and the end of the school
Year? And let Hazell stay on til then, then the new AD can make the call?
 
While I certainly think it's about time for there to be a transition taking place, it's just not realistic to expect it if you want Hazell out at the end of the season. Your only hope would be for Burke to retire at the end of the year, give Hazell another year and then let a new AD come in and fire him and hire a new coach.
This is no way conforms to the instant gratification world we live in today, nor does it conform to the mentality of the average sports-enthusiast that wants to see everyone fired everyday for every issue, foreseeable or not... which is probably why I agree with you so much.

Short of a scandal of some kind, you rarely see AD's getting canned because of a failing football coach. And it would be much more likely to happen if Burke hired an old chum, someone with a jaded past, known drinking problem, a sexual harassment extraordinaire, etc. That's not the case here. This was arguably a well-thought-out, well-vetted hire that many people were in alignment with, it just didn't work out on the field. I'd be shocked if this is a hire that gets Burke fired at the end of the year, particularly given his long tenure (which has seen some good times along with the bad) and his impending departure in the near term anyway.

It makes more sense that Purdue would soon devise (or announce if already devised) an AD transition plan, one more season with Hazell (with a minimum of a new OC), and - barring a miraculous recovery in 2016 - replacing Hazell at the end of the next season.
 
The most destructive thing we could do is we try to hire a new AD while paying 2 former Burke hires $2 million plus each per year, and tell the AD candidate, "yeah, you are stuck with this guy for at least another 2 seasons", which he almost assuredly would be.

Why can't we get an AD in place between now and the end of the school
Year? And let Hazell stay on til then, then the new AD can make the call?

Think of the flip side of the negative of Burke making the hire again this time:

1. Burke makes a new hire
2. New coach is given a 5 year deal (not 6)
3. Burke now has 2 years left and a new AD is hired and starts summer of 2018.
4. New AD's first full year will be year 3 of new coach (2 years left on contract with minimal buyout).
5. If new coach is trending up and has Purdue re-established after 3 seasons, new AD can vocally support coach and give a comfortable extention
6. If new coach isn't doing well, new AD can hire his guy with minimal risk and minimal buyout.
 
That's what I said in my original post. Here are my objectives, in order of importance:

1. Burke fired
2. Burke not allowed to make any long term commitments on behalf of the university, before Objective 1 takes place.
3. Hazell fired

Why would it take so much longer to replace an AD than a BB or FB coach?

Seems like its a fait accompli that Burke is going stay until he's 65, no matter how many more blunders he makes, and no matter how much more revenue he costs the school. What other $70 million business is run like that?

Because these things happen in "seasons". The best time to replace a football coach is December, no? You aren't going to hire a new football coach during football season. It's the same, for the most part, with ADs. They aren't going to look to leave in the middle of a year unless it's a very lucrative job. Thus, if we did try to "hire" a new AD in the next 60 days, it's going to probably be an underwhelming hire.

It's just not realistic in terms of timing.

It's also probably not realistic on happening anytime soon. You don't get the sense that BOT/President are upset with Burke.

I'm not a big Burke fan, but this is extreme. Purdue firing Hazell this year would be "edgy" for Purdue. Let alone canning an AD in October - for nothing more than making 1 bad hire. I know that there's other stuff, but it's nothing that's time sensitive that would suddenly lead to a firing in October. It's just not gonna happen.
 
Hazell isn't going to be fired. Burke will not retire early. The BOT and administration will continue to not care. The fanbase will continue to believe they do. On to basketball.
 
Because these things happen in "seasons". The best time to replace a football coach is December, no? You aren't going to hire a new football coach during football season. It's the same, for the most part, with ADs. They aren't going to look to leave in the middle of a year unless it's a very lucrative job. Thus, if we did try to "hire" a new AD in the next 60 days, it's going to probably be an underwhelming hire.

It's just not realistic in terms of timing.

It's also probably not realistic on happening anytime soon. You don't get the sense that BOT/President are upset with Burke.

I'm not a big Burke fan, but this is extreme. Purdue firing Hazell this year would be "edgy" for Purdue. Let alone canning an AD in October - for nothing more than making 1 bad hire. I know that there's other stuff, but it's nothing that's time sensitive that would suddenly lead to a firing in October. It's just not gonna happen.
I said by the end of the school year, which is in May last I checked. That gives the BOT seven months, which is plenty of time. And yes, we would most likely be stuck with Hazell for 1 more year in that scenario. But that's better than being stuck with another Burke hire for at least 3 more years.

And "1 bad hire"? You thought Danny Hope was a good hire?
 
The most destructive thing we could do is we try to hire a new AD while paying 2 former Burke hires $2 million plus each per year, and tell the AD candidate, "yeah, you are stuck with this guy for at least another 2 seasons", which he almost assuredly would be.

Why can't we get an AD in place between now and the end of the school
Year? And let Hazell stay on til then, then the new AD can make the call?
One simple question: how much revenue are the 30K open seats costing us? -- OK maybe it only 20K seats? multiply that by the six home games for next year and the expected attendance drop if we continue? If those seats were filled how much does that generate just in ticket sales?
 
I said by the end of the school year, which is in May last I checked. That gives the BOT seven months, which is plenty of time. And yes, we would most likely be stuck with Hazell for 1 more year in that scenario. But that's better than being stuck with another Burke hire for at least 3 more years.

And "1 bad hire"? You thought Danny Hope was a good hire?

I think the most realistic scenario is laid out above.

Fire Hazell this year.
Hire a replacement on a 5 year contract.
Burke will retire in a couple years years (I will be shocked if they fire him).
New AD comes in year 2 or 3 of FB coach.
New AD makes call on that situation.

If it's year 2, the AD would go through the season and an offseason with the coach before needing to make decisions following the 3rd year. That's probably the best way. You don't really want an AD coming in knowing they have to fire a coach almost immediately (would be the first big thing they do). Which is basically what Hazell would be in the situation you're advocating. It just gets messy.
 
I think the most realistic scenario is laid out above.

Fire Hazell this year.
Hire a replacement on a 5 year contract.
Burke will retire in a couple years years (I will be shocked if they fire him).
New AD comes in year 2 or 3 of FB coach.
New AD makes call on that situation.

If it's year 2, the AD would go through the season and an offseason with the coach before needing to make decisions following the 3rd year. That's probably the best way. You don't really want an AD coming in knowing they have to fire a coach almost immediately (would be the first big thing they do). Which is basically what Hazell would be in the situation you're advocating. It just gets messy.
I like the plan - especially step 1.
 
Hazell isn't going to be fired. Burke will not retire early. The BOT and administration will continue to not care. The fanbase will continue to believe they do. On to basketball.
And Basketball expectations are sky high - I hope they meet them. If they don't, I don't even want to think about the meltdown.
 
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