Who do we get to replace Heide and Colvin?
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My vote is a lock down defender to play the 3 spot.
Siu kid looks good to me. Hopefully our seniors all stay and we can get 2 or 3 players. An athlitic wing and maybe another forward that can play behind renn which would be a tough sell with minutes but burgess just became very important with heides announcement. Portal is bad for purdue because of culture. Matt went through a spell and i would quess hes very reluctant to bring guys in with almost 0 time to really know them but a strong senior group can off set that.
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I think there’s a difference between guys who played their role without being disruptive now leaving for more time/money (nothing to do with culture) and guys you can’t vet the same way before bringing them onto the team who might turn into disrupters of the team’s culture. IMHO.
Funny to me is we want to get an athletic wing who can play defense ( Colvin ) and and athletic wing who can rebound ( Heide ). Why would anyone better want to come play at Purdue when you know your role will be limited and your minutes limited? Isn’t that why we lost the 2 guys I just referred to . And if we do promise someone minutes they will be taken from Harris and Cox who in turn could transfer
Thats what happens when your program is successful.
Yes. It seems simple. Either Matt or someone at Purdue is great at hiding things or we havent had alot of problems compared to other top 20 programs. How many transfers have we taken or had the past 3 years compared to comparable programs?
Let’s get Braden and TKR resigned first…
Lol no, it's only a ridiculous question because of the ridiculous need some folks have for our program to be on some sort of moral pedestal.
I don't think it's a moral pedestal to want the team to avoid guys like Ronnie Johnson. One bad apple......
Purdues had issues in the past that matt has talked about and are well known. Hes admitted and learned from them. He kicked our top ranked and top 40 recruit to the curb last year. How many coaches would do that? How many off the court issues have you heard about since the rj and barlow days? Hes a hof coach without a slimy history. How many current hof coaches can say that? He probably deserves to be on a pedastal....who would you rather have?
Purdues had issues in the past that matt has talked about and are well known. Hes admitted and learned from them. He kicked our top ranked and top 40 recruit to the curb last year. How many coaches would do that? How many off the court issues have you heard about since the rj and barlow days? Hes a hof coach without a slimy history. How many current hof coaches can say that? He probably deserves to be on a pedastal....who would you rather have
In what way? Purdue results vs transfers and program/player trouble are elite.
Why are we talking about one dude from over a decade ago? Every team occasionally gets bad fits. Every team. What do you think happens if Catchings hides his crazy slightly better for a couple more months?
Because Painter changed his entire recruiting philosophy after the bad experience. While he isn't likely to change back, recruiting the portal is a different animal. A lot less time to evaluate fit.
Also, we were accustomed to recruiting and developing the players that we spent time on. Heck were we the only team in the S16 with players we recruited in the starting line up?
I would say we have been a spoiled fan base with the way CMP has built this program to be. It's not a moral pedestal. It's just the CMP way and we are fortunate he's our coach.
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Correct, but I trust his judgment.
He's so good at developing that he continues to have unrated players become AA. He's a true coach in my mind. One who puts a player in the best spot to grow within a system and yet win.
He'll find a player that will be productive because it's his system and not just the player.
Sounds like an overreaction. Gonna have to get comfortable with occasional discomfort. Every coach has to manage people. Having managed people myself as many here have that means adjusting to your people, changing your style, while still maintaining baselines and understanding occasionally someone just isn't going to fit.
The days of recruiting nothing but high schoolers and trying to make it so none of them are Ronnie Johnson's past long ago.
You know who was another Johnson? Catchings. And if Catchings had been ten percent more discreet or less crazy he'd have been here this season. Would that have been Painter's fault? Nope. Sometimes you get a bad egg. But that shows those eggs can come from high school recruiting and more time in evaluating too.
He's very good at developing. Then again, Heide and Colvin. And arguably Furst who love the kid but he did not improve much here.
He's very good at identifying talent. Then again Waddell and Berg.
He's very good at getting stable folks, then again Catchings.
No one is saying he should go. I've said repeatedly you can put him up weekend at Bernie's style for an extra year after he dies and I'd allow it based off one national title game. If he gets back there, I'll say just put up a scarecrow of him on the bench when he passes and do that for a decade.
But this whole Purdue way stuff has always been overwrought. Purdue and Painter will have to do what everyone else has to do. Spend money and use the portal.
I agree that a bad apple is inevitable, but I'm not convinced Catchings would be a cancer. A disappointment sure, but I've heard nothing from BYU folks saying he destroyed their locker room.
And how do you know Paint isn't or hasn't figured that out already?
People have questioned the portal thing for years, but he has plugged-in different transfers in the past and have been very successful.
Yes, there have been players that have been underwhelming. But as of late he's been on a pretty good streak with development.
I get it, for some folks, there is no criticism even of the tiniest variety of Painter that will be tolerated. He's figured everything out exactly and he did five years before everyone else.
Overall yeah he's generally very good at development. Smith and Edey have truly developed a ton as have TKR. Of course, Heide, Colvin, Berg, Waddell and arguably Loyer have less developed. Do those count too?
One could as easily argue he's elite at finding diamonds in the rough and talent evaluation v developing talent.
Again, my point isn't that Painter sucks, or that he doesn't do things well, my point is more around this silly moralizing folks do around him and this program where the portal is filled with bad eggs and a need for Painter and Purdue to somehow be about it all.
Something to a slight degree Painter encouraged. Yeah I think it's pretty clear now if it wasn't before to Painter that the days of counting on players being willing to sit and be role players and develop for 3 years or more are long gone. If you're Heide or Colvin, your end goal isn't bench sub on a championship team who might get to start their senior season.
I think it included the top 8 rather than just starters
If they ( Smith , TKR and Harris ) don’t say anything doesn’t that mean they are returning
Smith had an IG post that ppl think he will be back and is running a bball camp out at McCutcheon HS in a few weeks.
Wouldn’t be surprised if TKR and Smith just go test nba waters to get feedback and then announce they’re officially back after that. BUT the portal closes earlier this year than it did when Zach didn’t same thing.
We are spending money. Lots of it. Probably $8 million minimum, on just our starters. Meaning guys like Colvin and Heide are worth more to other teams than they are to us.
Not necessarily. Heide didn’t say anything until he did yesterday.
So you believe he's going to get more than Flagg?
I'm going to say between 3-4. I'm not sure he's getting 5 by anyone.
so it bothers you when individuals have morals? Or just organizations?
I've Indiana could be looking at Heide. Which would be weird. Personally, would go after Colvin but It's whatever.
I wouldn't be opposed to getting Catchings. Maybe he had a come to Jesus moment while at BYU and realized what could have been had he stuck with Purdue.
Maybe Painter sits down with him and his family, gives them an honest assessment on expectations, guarantees, etc. BUT...BUT.. if he comes in and earns a starting role, he could be a really important piece to a FF team.
The Colvin move didn't surprise me, but the Heide one did. I figured with Colvin gone, Heide locked up the starting 3 position. Maybe not.
He’d have to beat CJ out, and he’s nowhere near the ball handler that he is.
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