Where does Trayce Jackson-Davis end up?
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I know he made a huge jump in the rankings. Don't be surprised if IU keeps its strong recruiting in state. Every time they get a new coach the same stuff happens. They land a bunch of kids. Have to keep beating them. Plain and simple.
His own words. When we offered we were his first big offer. He mentioned loyalty to Purdue since we showed we believed by offering early.
Odd response. OP asked where he might end up and I provide information relevant to that question.
does anyone think that where we were in his thoughts in May has anything to do with where we are in his thoughts in Sept.????
OK, I said I had some respect for that. Has an early offer led to a signing recently?
I don't post here much - is this day guy always a douchebag or is he just having a bad day?
If reality means I'm a douche, so be it. Where we stood in May has little to no relevance to where we stand now. Yes, I am sick and tired of posters with little knowledge challenging my thoughts. You are NOT a poster who I consider has little knowledge. What you posted is truth, it just doesn't relate to the present. People attack me when I live every day in the realm of NCAA student athlete rules, yet they think they know more. They tell me I'm wrong and post irrelevant info that they say indicates I'm wrong. Yes, you hit me on a bad day, but this board is so far wrong in their opinions .... it just pisses me off.
And I sincerely hope it does. Doesn't change the basic concept that what a recruit thinks in May correlates to what he thinks in Sept/Oct/Nov.
At what point did the poster state that what he thought in May was the same as what he thinks today? Never. He simply posted a data point for consideration and I appreciate such information. Take a chill pill.
And I said "with respect." I had no problem with his post ... I simply stated that it was "so what" for right now. I'll go away now.
I didn't know we were his favorite as of a few months ago. I think that bit of info is relevant to this conversation.
He pinned his IU offer, likes a lot of IU posts and has visited several times. Archie whispered in his ear and it appears he bought it. Purdue offered first and is by far and away the better option as a big, but it is still up in the air. IU is the clear favorite right now, but if IU struggles and doesn't make the tournament while Purdue has a strong year and Haas becomes a first rounder, Purdue can jump back in the lead. If IU has a decent year, Purdue doesn't have much of a shot. He is a '19, so signing Isaiah Thompson early would go a long way.
Purdue has a much better system for bigs and has a tremendous recent history of developing big men and getting them drafted. Jackson-Davis would thrive and has the size and ability to go early. I imagine the big boys will get involved, and Purdue has done enough early enough to stay a finalist. I didn't panic when IU got Jerome, Damezi, or Rob... but if they land Jackson-Davis, then that would be very bad for Purdue. Purdue is known as big Man U, and if IU can win him over that doesn't bode well. IU can throw money around like not many other schools can and it is very seductive to a young recruit. IU recruiting will have all the advantages early. As another poster stated, we just have to keep beating them and having those instate players show up to games. Mackey arena sells itself. It is an incredible atmosphere and Purdue plays incredibly well. Got to get some top recruits in the house for the Louisville game and we got to win it. Painter should do everything to get KBJ, Thompson, and Jackson-Davis in there are the same time for that game and we got to win. Whatever it takes to make that happen.
I honestly believe Jackson-Davis would be underused at IU and Purdue would be a much better fit just looking at how both teams play. He will get drafted anywhere he goes, provided there are no injury issues, and it may be a short stay. Purdue would just make him a better player.
Purdue has a much better system for bigs and has a tremendous recent history of developing big men and getting them drafted. Jackson-Davis would thrive and has the size and ability to go early. I imagine the big boys will get involved, and Purdue has done enough early enough to stay a finalist. I didn't panic when IU got Jerome, Damezi, or Rob... but if they land Jackson-Davis, then that would be very bad for Purdue. Purdue is known as big Man U, and if IU can win him over that doesn't bode well. IU can throw money around like not many other schools can and it is very seductive to a young recruit. IU recruiting will have all the advantages early. As another poster stated, we just have to keep beating them and having those instate players show up to games. Mackey arena sells itself. It is an incredible atmosphere and Purdue plays incredibly well. Got to get some top recruits in the house for the Louisville game and we got to win it. Painter should do everything to get KBJ, Thompson, and Jackson-Davis in there are the same time for that game and we got to win. Whatever it takes to make that happen.
I honestly believe Jackson-Davis would be underused at IU and Purdue would be a much better fit just looking at how both teams play. He will get drafted anywhere he goes, provided there are no injury issues, and it may be a short stay. Purdue would just make him a better player.
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I'm from center grove, and I actually have a bit of inside info on this. Purdue definitely lead early, but that was mostly because there weren't many other offers. Purdue's system for bigs is close to what he plays in high school (traditional back to the basket surrounded by shooters), however his aau team plays very fast. He prefers the "run and gun" offense to the slower offense. IU is selling him on their offense being up tempo and he will have a lot of opportunities to run. Purdue could make up ground here, because it appears they will be a more up tempo team this year than we have seen before. Expect Michigan and MSU offers very soon.
Same can be said for visiting IU (or anywhere else). Until they sign the name on the line which is dotted, it's all minutia.
Man...amazing how Purdue and their "slower offense" led the big ten in scoring.
Plodders.
This pretty much echos comments his stepdad (Ray Jackson) made in an interview with IU media.Only going to post a brief excerpt,because it's Premie material
"With Miller and his staff, there has been a lot of communication and the relationship between Jackson-Davis and his family and the Hoosiers has really gone to another level.
“After sitting down with the coaching staff, understanding how their offense works, how they would plan to use Trayce, not only with how he’s physically set right now, but two years from now if he’s two inches taller and 10 pounds heavier. He’s a kid that can run the floor, has good footwork, finishes at the rim,” Jackson said.
“They’d like to see him take his game more out to the perimeter, which he’s working on. They don’t see him as just a back to the basket guy. They see him picking and popping, having the ball in his hands, defensively playing the four position but at times going to the three.
“He’s a legit 6-9 right now. If he’s 6-10, he’s that prototypical player the NBA’s looking for. I’m not saying he’s going to be that level, but size wise. Indiana sees more in Trayce than Trayce sees in himself. Now he’s starting to see that. As a parent, that’s what you want.”
Archie is trying to play fast and big wth all of the wings he is recruiting. They are going to be EXACTLY like Crean's teams of the past. They will win a couple big games but otherwise be dissapointing. Playing fast essentially means no defense, but Jackson-Davis is an elite rim protector. Promising to play him at the 3 defensively is almost laughable. Archie is saying what he wants to here and not what is practical. Playing at IU would stunt his growth as a player if Archie keeps to his word. The other option is he is lying and saying whatever it takes to get him to IU.
Purdue is still the best fit. They signed Williams who is willing to bang down low so he doesn't have to. Williams is an elite rebounder and has plenty of size to play as an undersized 5. That way Jackson-Davis can float out or catch the ball at the free throw line and drive. Williams can also guard the 5 on defense so he can come out and gaurd the stretch 4 or just clog the top of the lane.
Do you remember JJ? He hated contact and didn't want to play back to the basket. He ended up being an All-American and first round pick. He developed so much and became unstoppable. Jackson-Davis could be the next JJ, but have more freedoms because of Williams. Got to make that sell.
Also looking at Eastern, Wheeler, and Carsen Shows that Purdue is trending to a more up tempo offense. Biggie didn't always get the ball with his back to the basket and also was allowed to shoot the 3. Purdue just needs to show video of how Biggie, JJ, and Hummel played in the system. Sell him as a 4 if need be. I would love to see the lineup of Eastern, Carsen, Wheeler, Jackson-Davis, Williams. That is a top 5 in the nation lineup. Sell it... bring him in!!
1) Trayce Jackson Davis will be a good fit anywhere.
2) If you think that Archie's IU teams will have anything in common with Crean's IU teams, you haven't seen Dayton play under Archie. To a large degree they will be defensively disciplined, below average on the offensive glass to prevent transition, and pick-and-pop on offensive sets. Completely different from Crean.
3) This post is NOT a knock on CMP; he'll always do a really good job coaching up the kids he's got. But, the days of IU losing many in-state recruiting battles and being marshmallow soft on defense are over, over, over.
FWIW, I didn't take GS Thomas disagreeing with what you said but a statement as to how a recruit could see Purdue as plodders...it is a joke. Purdue has always pushed the ball when there was some advantage. Does the kid just want to run the court or does he want to do something when he gets down to the other end?
Recruits many times REALLY need some guidance, Hell IU didn't even use Zeller like they should . What you have is speculation at IU and what you have at Purdue is historical evidence as to the bigs. Anyway, who knows what a kid will do...but teh Purdue team of the future is not the same type of talent Matt had the last few years that demanded a disciplined team with emphasis inside. The baby boilers pushed the ball and looked inside.
As Do Dah Day has said previously...I'm more concerned about the effect of selling by Schilling than Miller.
Do you think it is possible to play strong D AND run the court AND WIN without an abundance of talent? Think about those combinations. Will IU have that much depth or will the team play strong D and rest some on the O? Or will IU play strong D and run "WHEN" it is there? Will IU not play strong D and run? This is smoke and mirrors and not aimed at you as I think you are just fine as a poster. However, we are talking about humans and where the energy is expended...unless energy is not an issue. Crean recruited really good athletes and they ran, but the D was lacking...as was the discipline. Now, I expect Miller to put a team out on the court that plays smart, but he is not going to do anything different than a good coach...unless he has much different talent. The question is... do some drink the snake oil?
He isn't recruiting defensive players. He is recruiting nothing but offense. Jackson-Davis would be far and away the best defender he has. He may try and coach up the defense, and it may work, we will just have to see.
I agree, he will be a good recruit anywhere and should get drafted regardless. But Painter and staff are by far and away the best developer of bigs in the Big Ten. Jackson-Davis will likely be a 7 footer. He can try and mold his game like Garnett and maybe somebody takes him as a 6'12 PF, but more than likely he has to be able to bang down low and rebound. Selling a kid on avoiding that is doing them a disservice.
Painter's defenses have thrived with rim protectors. JJ and Hammons really showed off their ability to defend. On the offense, the 5 is the focal point of the offense. Jackson-Davis would shine. He will be very good, even at IU, but Purdue is the best basketball fit.
In the end, it's his choice and there are many factors that we don't get to see. If he goes to IU, I hope he has lots of success and goes on to a successful NBA career. I won't hold his choice against him.
I think it's funny people/recruits think Purdue runs a slow offense...for the fact that they finished at the top of the Big Ten in scoring the last few years...smh...they can play uptempo if they want just get tired of people saying that. Not bashing your post, just venting toward the rest of the doubters about Purdue's offense.
Oh, it's a completely legit point you are making!
I guess I would say, giving Archie a pass because of lack of talent is a cop out for IU fans. I'm not quite sure how to define "talent", but if we using high school composite rankings, IU is likely to start three top-75 players (Davis, RoJo, and Curtis Jones), with about four or five top 150 players to spare (Morgan, Smith, Moore, Newkirk).
Archie de-emphasizes offensive rebounds and off-ball pressure. Packs it in tight on defense. Not alot of of post play on offense. Push and drive before the defense sets up when possible. It was very effective for him in the A10 at Dayton, and from an IU perspective, it finally feels like a grownup is running the show (thank goodness). No more Crean bigs guarding tight on the perimeter and leaving the guards on an island.
By the way, RoJo, Morgan, Davis, Smith, Newkirk, and Moore should be excellent defenders; if CMP was their coach instead of Crean it'd be obvious. And so it will this year with Archie.
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One of the foundational defensive strategies is to force their best offensive player to run their ass off on defense (another reason not to play zone). It has not been a major factor recently for many great players, but most coaches know to have their player that the other team's best player is guarding to run all over the court ... within the offense, of course.
By the way, it's only appropriate that this issue be looked at with a Purdue perspective:
If a less athletic player like PJ Thompson or Mathias were coached within Tom Crean's defense, they would have been all but unplayable because they would constantly be on an island without the bigs dropping to help. However, because they are extremely smart players, in CMP's system they have turned into plus defenders (or all conference with Mathias).
In my opinion Crean was a very effective offensive coach, and there was little reason why he couldn't have matched his offense with an effective defense. However, he most definitely did not get it done on the defense end.
If a less athletic player like PJ Thompson or Mathias were coached within Tom Crean's defense, they would have been all but unplayable because they would constantly be on an island without the bigs dropping to help. However, because they are extremely smart players, in CMP's system they have turned into plus defenders (or all conference with Mathias).
In my opinion Crean was a very effective offensive coach, and there was little reason why he couldn't have matched his offense with an effective defense. However, he most definitely did not get it done on the defense end.
Schilling has zero involvement with Trayce. Archie and Bruiser are the leads for IU.
another poster pointed this out recently (credit to them), but
last season purdue's adjusted tempo ranked 111 in the country (4th big ten).
but purdue shot the ball extremely well.
last year, purdue ranked nationally:
35 - points per game
20 - offensive efficiency
23 - shooting %
7 - three point %
29 - free throw %
154 - possessions per game
174 - effective possession ratio
it would be fun to compare to conference only stats, but i don't have premium info or know if they exist.
sources: pomeroy, ncaa, teamrankings
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Glad my post wasn't taken wrong. it was in haste as I had some more mowing to do before the game. If I recall, your name is Jim? If so, we go back a few years and you have always been respectful and reasonable and was worried my comments might be taken wrong. Nobody has pushed it like Crean and when IU was hot...they were good and when they were not...
I look for a team that IU fans can leave saying anything except that they played stupid. There is nothing wrong with packing it in as a general approach, but players are getting pretty effective behind the arc...and there is certainly nothing wrong with trying to beat the defense down the court and get an easy one. Nothing new under the sun with either...and that is essentially what I was getting at in my previous post. There will be no magician on the sidelines for IU. It will return to a more consistent team that plays smarter and more like the game was intended. Every new coach for IU renews optimism for a return time of Knights early years. I think ARchie will do fine and if Ed jr brings in more talent than the other teams...IU may find itself towards the top, but it will be more about talent than Archie adn that is the way it usually is. Few players have a Rosie that knows what they hell he is doing and so kids many times make decisions for the wrong reasons. Recruiting isn't like the old days...
Still, jr is more of a concern than Archie for me just due to his contacts whether that involves Trayce or another...
yep, you have a pie of energy...how do you use it for the max effect of the team...
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