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When has John Shoop EVER been good?

BoilermakerD

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I'm sorry, but this is the kind of thing I've seen with not only Shoop, but a lot of bad OCs.

"Oh, you mean to tell me I'm up even a centimeter? Yeah, I quit. Time to go in the hole and IF ANYBODY mentions that there could even be another possibility besides playing super conservative and going in the hole, well, I can't hear them."

This thing where you think at the Division I-A level, that you can throw drives away. That you can say "well, let's just run clock and you know maybe something will happen, and if it doesn't, I mean, we'll get it back, and maybe something will happen then."

No! That time when you thought that you'd have another time in the game? It so often turns out that that WAS your time! Why is this so hard to understand!? When you just scored, you have the ball back, and you're playing a cramping defense that has been punched in the mouth, has their eyes watering and is ready to get knocked out... and you run ho hum zone reads and then have a conservative "we'll live to fight another down" third down (lean in)

YOU DESERVE EXACTLY WHAT THE F HAPPENED TO PURDUE IN THIS GAME JOHN!

I know. I must be "just a disgruntled Bears fan." Yeah, yeah. Jay Cutler sucks, Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman were all overrated in Chicago, the ownership group is terrible .. and THAT still was awful decision making.

You know the next miracle of Shoop??! He thinks that after mailing in drives for a quarter, all of the sudden his team is going to be able to open up, have a flow and get aggressive with the game on the line.

Teams that go in a hole and get conservative always fail when it's time to suddenly go from super conservative to "game winning, come from behind drive time."

Now, another counter-reply to the inexplicable defense of Shoop is this idea that "well, players execute, Appleby threw two horrendous passes and didn't have great rhythm at other times."

Did Appleby look like Orton as a junior even? No. Of course not. He did fail miserably a few times.

But here's the thing. If I didn't see better talent and more physical dominance on Purdue's side at the line of scrimmage, then yes, Appleby's failures could cause me to reasonably say that "well, with a coordinator who did X or Y better, maybe the team still loses."

But this team was lining up with Marshall, and THEY were dealing the blows. They were knocking Marshall back. Appleby's play, despite a couple of catastrophic moments, was good enough for Purdue to win 38-27.

In essence though, Purdue wore a team down all day long for absolutely nothing. They wore them down so that when it was time to run with ONE tight end and just continue to shove it down Marshall's throat AND have plenty of open receivers, they brought in/continued to go two tight ends, brought Marshall defenders to better positions and then just mailed drives in.

This team does not play smart

Did they play absolutely retarded all day long? No. What they played like, unlike years past, was a kinda smart team that had massively stupid moments.

Here's the deal. Shoop runs an offense that crowds things more than it opens them up. If you disagree. If everything I'm saying is making you say "he's wrong about Shoop," remember I said that... he runs an offense that he thinks is opening things up, but is really crowding things." Because you'll end up realizing, whether you'd hate to admit it or not, that that is true.

So, I ask you, "still in Shoop's corner" fan (with Hazell's success or lack there of ultimately being tied to choosing/keeping Shoop), if we couldn't finish this game, other than Indiana State, what game will we finish?
 
Wow bro. You can talk football and run into someone whose into internet personas. If you didn't bring me up and just talked football, there's a 100% likelihood that I'd NEVER know about you, want to know about you or even think about it...
 
I'm sorry, but this is the kind of thing I've seen with not only Shoop, but a lot of bad OCs.

"Oh, you mean to tell me I'm up even a centimeter? Yeah, I quit. Time to go in the hole and IF ANYBODY mentions that there could even be another possibility besides playing super conservative and going in the hole, well, I can't hear them."

This thing where you think at the Division I-A level, that you can throw drives away. That you can say "well, let's just run clock and you know maybe something will happen, and if it doesn't, I mean, we'll get it back, and maybe something will happen then."

No! That time when you thought that you'd have another time in the game? It so often turns out that that WAS your time! Why is this so hard to understand!? When you just scored, you have the ball back, and you're playing a cramping defense that has been punched in the mouth, has their eyes watering and is ready to get knocked out... and you run ho hum zone reads and then have a conservative "we'll live to fight another down" third down (lean in)

YOU DESERVE EXACTLY WHAT THE F HAPPENED TO PURDUE IN THIS GAME JOHN!

I know. I must be "just a disgruntled Bears fan." Yeah, yeah. Jay Cutler sucks, Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman were all overrated in Chicago, the ownership group is terrible .. and THAT still was awful decision making.

You know the next miracle of Shoop??! He thinks that after mailing in drives for a quarter, all of the sudden his team is going to be able to open up, have a flow and get aggressive with the game on the line.

Teams that go in a hole and get conservative always fail when it's time to suddenly go from super conservative to "game winning, come from behind drive time."

Now, another counter-reply to the inexplicable defense of Shoop is this idea that "well, players execute, Appleby threw two horrendous passes and didn't have great rhythm at other times."

Did Appleby look like Orton as a junior even? No. Of course not. He did fail miserably a few times.

But here's the thing. If I didn't see better talent and more physical dominance on Purdue's side at the line of scrimmage, then yes, Appleby's failures could cause me to reasonably say that "well, with a coordinator who did X or Y better, maybe the team still loses."

But this team was lining up with Marshall, and THEY were dealing the blows. They were knocking Marshall back. Appleby's play, despite a couple of catastrophic moments, was good enough for Purdue to win 38-27.

In essence though, Purdue wore a team down all day long for absolutely nothing. They wore them down so that when it was time to run with ONE tight end and just continue to shove it down Marshall's throat AND have plenty of open receivers, they brought in/continued to go two tight ends, brought Marshall defenders to better positions and then just mailed drives in.

This team does not play smart

Did they play absolutely retarded all day long? No. What they played like, unlike years past, was a kinda smart team that had massively stupid moments.

Here's the deal. Shoop runs an offense that crowds things more than it opens them up. If you disagree. If everything I'm saying is making you say "he's wrong about Shoop," remember I said that... he runs an offense that he thinks is opening things up, but is really crowding things." Because you'll end up realizing, whether you'd hate to admit it or not, that that is true.

So, I ask you, "still in Shoop's corner" fan (with Hazell's success or lack there of ultimately being tied to choosing/keeping Shoop), if we couldn't finish this game, other than Indiana State, what game will we finish?
 
Shoop should be removed from all play calling.Most High School coaches could call a better game
 
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Here's the problem I see along with bad spacing, players running to dead zones (motion receivers going sideways AND backwards and effectively running themselves out of plays) and trying to match players like Anthrop with guys he's just not more explosive then in catch-stop situations...

He doesn't understand the idea of continuing to punch at an area that's hurt. He thinks to himself, "well, I just showed him I can run up the middle, now I have to show him I can go the complete opposite way and pass on 2nd and 3."

Sometimes DCs don't think you can run or can't stop your run and they're lining up saying "we'll give him that as long as he doesn't pass"

Sometimes you go with three receivers (NO SECOND TIGHT END that brings defenders closer to the line), continue to run (to different spots, not the same play to the same spot) and make them choose

"double down and really check our run if you want, but then that third receiver is going to be open all day"

You switch it up AFTER they stop you, not before!
 
Wow bro. You can talk football and run into someone whose into internet personas. If you didn't bring me up and just talked football, there's a 100% likelihood that I'd NEVER know about you, want to know about you or even think about it...

Im not into internet personas. Just people who have changed screen names, what 5 times now.
 
Putting 3 backs next to each other, snapping the ball to a stationary QB who puts the ball into a stationary RB's gut and then trots away unconvincingly doesn't fool Pop Warner players. The whole idea behind "run-option" offense is to get the defense in motion one direction and cutting back or going around depending on which way they bite.

We are wasting two talented N/S runners and they won't last long running directly into Big 10 talent defenses.
 
Im not into internet personas. Just people who have changed screen names, what 5 times now.

You're into the people here. I'm into Purdue football and then come here to discuss it. You want to talk about me, which is mildly questionable seeing as how I presume you're a guy. I want to talk about what we were all watching.

I get it. I'm not going to win the most morally just poster. Never wanted it. I've never been sure I even like many people who went/go to Purdue. But the football program really pulled me in when I was there, so I watch the games and then want to talk about what I see.

I'm really not sure what me telling DaveK to go F himself in 2004 has to do with that...
 
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