What's the best program to compare to Purdue?

[mathboy]

As usual, yo

Same. I know a kid who is in the top 10 in his class at likely the best academic school in Fort Wayne(Canterbury) and hes likely going to UNC. I highly doubt that this guy would caution hiring a kid like that in four years because he believes that 30 or so athletes ruin the population of 30,000 students at a very highly regarded academic university. Some guys just post stuff to get attention and likes.

As expected, you read what you wanted to read in my post, and not what I posted. Let me clarify, again. We have a caution about certain classes on transcripts if the candidate is a UNC graduate from their bachalor's program. Would this thoretical "kid" that you "know" be likely to take the red-flag classes? Probably not.

Furthermore, if you think this was restricted to 30 athletes, you are some where in Lala land. This academic scandal was wide-spread across most of the sports at UNC, and has gone on for 15 years or so. I suggest you do a little more research before questioning my motives. It will keep you from looking foolish.

 

[*4purdue*]

West Virginia comes to mind for me. Similar success, has some very good years, some solid years, and every once in awhile a bad year or 2. Their arena is similar to ours, and they seem to have similar problems in March.

They were in the FF within the last 5 years or so.

 

[TC4THREE]

As usual, yo

As expected, you read what you wanted to read in my post, and not what I posted. Let me clarify, again. We have a caution about certain classes on transcripts if the candidate is a UNC graduate from their bachalor's program. Would this thoretical "kid" that you "know" be likely to take the red-flag classes? Probably not.

Furthermore, if you think this was restricted to 30 athletes, you are some where in Lala land. This academic scandal was wide-spread across most of the sports at UNC, and has gone on for 15 years or so. I suggest you do a little more research before questioning my motives. It will keep you from looking foolish.

And I believe the UNC defense to the allegations was that they weren't cheating the NCAA because the same classes were being taken by non-athletes as well.

 

[Statey]

And I believe the UNC defense to the allegations was that they weren't cheating the NCAA because the same classes were being taken by non-athletes as well.

True. And that defense is almost as asinine as the NCAA's initial response to it, which was, "oh, ok; if it's not exclusive to athletics, then it's not an issue for us to mess with, even though it was academic fraud pertaining to tons of athletes."

If I recall, 80-90% of the enrollees in the fake classes/majors were athletes, so what's most likely is that a couple non-athletes found about the courses and more/less black-mailed their way into them in exchange for silence. Probably a result of 1 or 2 athletes blabbing about this sweet perk at a party and some non-athlete smartly (in the very short term, at least) used it his/her advantage.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

As usual, yo

As expected, you read what you wanted to read in my post, and not what I posted. Let me clarify, again. We have a caution about certain classes on transcripts if the candidate is a UNC graduate from their bachalor's program. Would this thoretical "kid" that you "know" be likely to take the red-flag classes? Probably not.

Furthermore, if you think this was restricted to 30 athletes, you are some where in Lala land. This academic scandal was wide-spread across most of the sports at UNC, and has gone on for 15 years or so. I suggest you do a little more research before questioning my motives. It will keep you from looking foolish.

OK to be clear if I'm saying a population of 30,000 that would be 1 years worth of students. So 30 would be one year worth of athletes. I was estimating on a yearly basis lmao. If you so so much why wouldn't you post some numbers of athletes involved in the scandals on a yearly basis? You're the guy that knows it all apparently...

 

[mathboy]

OK to be clear if I'm saying a population of 30,000 that would be 1 years worth of students. So 30 would be one year worth of athletes. I was estimating on a yearly basis lmao. If you so so much why wouldn't you post some numbers of athletes involved in the scandals on a yearly basis? You're the guy that knows it all apparently...

tired of screwing with you. You figure it out. Just include the football (90 scholarships) and women's teams as well, okay? You are a big boy, so I am sure you can do some math.

We may hire people who graduated over the 15 year period the academic scandal took place, so you will need to multiply the yearly total by 15 for the real answer. I am sure you can handle a simple math problem such as that.

Any student that has used one of these suspect classes to bolster their GPA comes under scrutiny.

 

[purdue4sure]

Here's a link to all the things a kid can choose to major in at Purdue.
Athletic training, video games, film and video, etc. etc,
There are more than enough majors that will allow someone to remain eligible.

http://www.admissions.purdue.edu/majors/majors_az.php

Do you still want to tell me that academics or even having to 'declare' a major is a hindrance to recruiting at Purdue? Try again.....

Athletic training is a tough program and Purdue is considered to have one of the best in the nation. Some use it as an entry to sports medicine. You blew your credibility on this one by treating it as a fluff major.

 

[purdue4sure]

tired of screwing with you. You figure it out. Just include the football (90 scholarships) and women's teams as well, okay? You are a big boy, so I am sure you can do some math.

We may hire people who graduated over the 15 year period the academic scandal took place, so you will need to multiply the yearly total by 15 for the real answer. I am sure you can handle a simple math problem such as that.

Any student that has used one of these suspect classes to bolster their GPA comes under scrutiny.

After reading some of these posts, I'm beginning to believe that some of these guys got degrees in the "easy majors" that they seem to know so much about.

 

[bonefish1]

Athletic training is a tough program and Purdue is considered to have one of the best in the nation. Some use it as an entry to sports medicine. You blew your credibility on this one by treating it as a fluff major.

Ok, how about this one:
Undecided Liberal Arts
College of Liberal Arts
Students may apply for Undecided Liberal Arts if they are interested in the College of Liberal Arts but are not ready to declare a major. Undecided Liberal Arts students explore Liberal Arts majors while satisfying Liberal Arts core requirements.


The point is, trying to used things like Purdue as too tough academically or the fact that you have to declare a major (which, apparently, you can declare as 'undecided') as disadvantages in recruiting to PU is bull$hit. There are plenty of majors that an athlete can choose and still stay eligible in with minimal effort. The system is designed to keep them eligible. Several guys in my fraternity started off in engineering and ended up in supervision. I know "The Vision" is a popular major for my football playing buddies when I was in school.
It aint that tough to stay eligible. Stop acting like we're MIT.

 

[purdue4sure]

Ok, how about this one:
Undecided Liberal Arts
College of Liberal Arts
Students may apply for Undecided Liberal Arts if they are interested in the College of Liberal Arts but are not ready to declare a major. Undecided Liberal Arts students explore Liberal Arts majors while satisfying Liberal Arts core requirements.


The point is, trying to used things like Purdue as too tough academically or the fact that you have to declare a major (which, apparently, you can declare as 'undecided') as disadvantages in recruiting to PU is bull$hit. There are plenty of majors that an athlete can choose and still stay eligible in with minimal effort. The system is designed to keep them eligible. Several guys in my fraternity started off in engineering and ended up in supervision. I know "The Vision" is a popular major for my football playing buddies when I was in school.
It aint that tough to stay eligible. Stop acting like we're MIT.

But you have been saying this exact same thing for years, even before Purdue had a school of Liberal Arts. I remember that when I was at Purdue, even the Phys. Ed. majors had to take physics. I know this because I tutored some of them. Of course, the physics didn't require calculus like it does for science/engineering, but it certainly wasn't a fluff course.

 

[lbodel]

I don't doubt there are easier majors at Purdue than those you or I took. I noted there is not a "General Studies" major, which is available at a number of other BIG schools. That's my point. You must declare a major, and compete scholastically with the general student population in that major.

You should read up on what Ohio State Basketball and football players take for classes. It might pry open your eyes a bit.

But again, what you're touting is not necessarily anything that makes things "harder" on anybody. Is a general studies major that you can get a degree from easier than having to declare being an OLS major after 2 years? Probably NOT much of a difference....you're arguing semantics/process.

Let's not tout these things up like we're an Ivy League here.

 

[mathboy]

Ok, how about this one:
Undecided Liberal Arts
College of Liberal Arts
Students may apply for Undecided Liberal Arts if they are interested in the College of Liberal Arts but are not ready to declare a major. Undecided Liberal Arts students explore Liberal Arts majors while satisfying Liberal Arts core requirements.


The point is, trying to used things like Purdue as too tough academically or the fact that you have to declare a major (which, apparently, you can declare as 'undecided') as disadvantages in recruiting to PU is bull$hit. There are plenty of majors that an athlete can choose and still stay eligible in with minimal effort. The system is designed to keep them eligible. Several guys in my fraternity started off in engineering and ended up in supervision. I know "The Vision" is a popular major for my football playing buddies when I was in school.
It aint that tough to stay eligible. Stop acting like we're MIT.

You seem to gravitate toward extremes in your arguments. I never said we were MIT. We aren't. But then again we aren't OSU either.

I know I am not current on the academic programs these days, so I am on thin ice here. Maybe someone else can help. I see you sited the undeclared liberal arts major. I think you can indeed follow this curriculum, but eventually you must declare a major at some point. You can't graduate in this major, I think.

 

[lbodel]

You seem to gravitate toward extremes in your arguments. I never said we were MIT. We aren't. But then again we aren't OSU either.

I know I am not current on the academic programs these days, so I am on thin ice here. Maybe someone else can help. I see you sited the undeclared liberal arts major. I think you can indeed follow this curriculum, but eventually you must declare a major at some point. You can't graduate in this major, I think.

My point is that just because you have to declare a major - doesn't automatically make anything harder. There seems to be this notion that having to declare a major or not having a general studies degrees makes things so hard for athletes - I don't see the correlation. I remember when the argument ND fans made about academics was that everyone had to take a calculus class no matter what their major - so they could point to one difficult class athletes had to take. But it's not like their athletes are all Ivy League worthy students

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

For my fellow posters discussing the University of North Carolina, here's a link to a story (News Observer) and also an excerpt from last year (USA Today College) on the scandal, just so everyone can be on the same page.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article25064497.html

It is not just an NCAA/athletics issue, although that has probably generated the largest "buzz" (at least outside of the State of North Carolina) and is part of the focus. This goes to the very heart of college certification, UNC's accreditation.

I can totally understand if a prospective employer wants to be more skeptical concerning recent UNC grads (assuming it's conducted in a way that doesn't discriminate or otherwise violate the law). Is that fair? Perhaps not, but it's part of business. If this happened with Purdue University, I would be more than furious, and I can bet there are UNC alums thinking the same......or at least I would hope so, despite "racking up" another Final Four appearance.

Although these are very serious issues, I do expect that UNC will end up getting off probation and escaping harsh punishment/penalties from the NCAA.....it's just the culture we live in now.....less and less real accountability IMO. Generally speaking, behavior doesn't change nearly often or quickly enough when there are not serious consequences for actions/inactions.

I do think, however, that regardless of the outcome, UNC has taken a reputation hit, which will take some time to recover. It has some very fine programs and disciplines, and that is a shame to all of those alumni who worked diligently and sacrificed to get a degree from that institution and then have its reputation tarnished in this fashion.

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The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools’ Commission on Colleges has placed the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on a year-long probationary period — the harshest sanction before revocation of accreditation.

The ruling was announced at a commission board meeting Thursday and follows the May 20, 2015 receipt of allegations filed by the NCAA. According to the News & Observer, the decision was a culmination of recurring meetings during the accrediting agency’s summer conference.

RELATED: North Carolina’s NCAA notice of allegations includes five severe charges
Officials reviewed a report compiled by commission staff in addition to a second report generated by UNC and found that UNC violated seven standards, including control on athletics, faculty governance and academic integrity, as reported by the News & Observer.

The secondary review was precipitated by the October 22, 2014 release of the Wainstein Report, which revealed extensive academic fraud and detailed the workings of the “paper classes” scheme, a covert operation under which 3,100 students — nearly half of whom were student-athletes — took classes without faculty involvement, attendance requirements or legitimate coursework obligations.

RELATED: Wainstein report about something bigger than UNC academics
Following the investigation’s findings, Chancellor Folt said that the scandal reflected “deep, institutional oversight” and that 70 initiatives had been implemented to facilitate academic and athletic reform.

In a message issued to the Carolina community, Folt said the commission acknowledged the university’s strides and was subjecting the school to probation to monitor its progress.

“The University has worked very hard and in complete good faith to provide the Commission with an expansive range of information to demonstrate our compliance with the Commission’s principles, standards and requirements,” she said. “We have the utmost confidence in our present compliance and in the effectiveness of the many reforms implemented in recent years and will embrace the opportunity during the one-year period of probation to prove that even further. We owe that to the University’s rich and revered history, to our current students, faculty and staff and indeed to the entire Carolina community.”

 

[as002]

My initial reaction when I saw this thread was Pitt

 

[lbodel]

There's not really AN answer. Pitt is yeah kinda - but it's different than Purdue in a lot of ways, even going to it being an urban campus in a big city (which is not only a recruiting factor, but also a factor in what the campus is like, the focus of students/fans (Pittsburgh is nice because it doesn't have an NBA team - whereas for Pitt Football, they are competing with the Steelers), etc.

I think the simplest answer is the conference you're competing in. Why have a barometer on a team that you don't play many common opponents, play in a different league, etc.

We know our standing in our conference and at the end of the day, that's what matters. It's not necessarily a matter of one school you compare yourself to because there's ebbs and flows to every program.