Walker

[Boiler Buck]

Check out Walkers comments recently....soon after de-committing from Purdue he said.....

“I’m just looking for somewhere I can play a more fast-paced game,” he said. “I want to go somewhere that I can come off ball screens and make plays early (in the possession). I want to go somewhere I can be a coach on the floor. I don’t want to look at the coach every time and ask for a play. I want to go somewhere I can plays immediately and the coach gives you freedom but also with organization.”

I think this shows the negative recruiting Purdue has to put up with from the folks in the basketball circles around here in Indiana. It also shows how Purdue teams who are better defensively than offensively can hurt recruiting which describes last year's team which was average to poor offensively, but just excellent on the other end. Will Walker end up being missed by the Boilers - likely. Would have been nice to have him. And pissed not about his decision, but the negative recruiting crap that goes on behind the scenes Painter has to put up with.

 

[BoilerDeac]

It does suck that Painter has to put up with the 'behind the scenes' stuff, but isn't that also part of his doing? He's reinforced the style Purdue plays, and it seems like this style is what led to Walker's decommit.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Check out Walkers comments recently....soon after de-committing from Purdue he said.....

“I’m just looking for somewhere I can play a more fast-paced game,” he said. “I want to go somewhere that I can come off ball screens and make plays early (in the possession). I want to go somewhere I can be a coach on the floor. I don’t want to look at the coach every time and ask for a play. I want to go somewhere I can plays immediately and the coach gives you freedom but also with organization.”

I think this shows the negative recruiting Purdue has to put up with from the folks in the basketball circles around here in Indiana. It also shows how Purdue teams who are better defensively than offensively can hurt recruiting which describes last year's team which was average to poor offensively, but just excellent on the other end. Will Walker end up being missed by the Boilers - likely. Would have been nice to have him. And pissed not about his decision, but the negative recruiting crap that goes on behind the scenes Painter has to put up with.

Other than the fast paced game, Walker could have experienced all those things at Purdue under Painter. I am especially surprised at the "look at the coach" comment. We never do that.

 

[BBG]

Check out Walkers comments recently....soon after de-committing from Purdue he said.....

“I’m just looking for somewhere I can play a more fast-paced game,” he said. “I want to go somewhere that I can come off ball screens and make plays early (in the possession). I want to go somewhere I can be a coach on the floor. I don’t want to look at the coach every time and ask for a play. I want to go somewhere I can plays immediately and the coach gives you freedom but also with organization.”

I think this shows the negative recruiting Purdue has to put up with from the folks in the basketball circles around here in Indiana. It also shows how Purdue teams who are better defensively than offensively can hurt recruiting which describes last year's team which was average to poor offensively, but just excellent on the other end. Will Walker end up being missed by the Boilers - likely. Would have been nice to have him. And pissed not about his decision, but the negative recruiting crap that goes on behind the scenes Painter has to put up with.

This is very important for everyone to note. Yes Painter recruits for defense, which will win a LOT of games, I would doubt he is against having offensive players but the negative recruiting others do *cough* izzo *cough* certainly seem to impact recruiting to Purdue.

Sad thing is, if Purdue was a offensive first school, we'd likely read things where there was negative recruiting for players that are good at defense. Recruiting players sucks anymore it seems and personally I hate what it has become.

 

[BoilerRam]

Agreed.
Maybe he can go to Houston and be Ronnies heir apparent.
They seem to think the same way.

 

[pharoutengineer]

Somebody (might have been GBI Brian) put together an average time of possession for Purdue and a bunch of the schools that Walker is looking at now and Purdue was very close to the top as far as shortest possession time on offense. So this whole "Purdue doesn't play a fast paced game" is mostly B.S. And the whole look at the coach comment is ridiculous. Purdue PG's rarely, if ever, do that. It's clear that someone has been in Walker's ear spouting negative crap about Purdue. Oh well, that's how the game gets played sometimes.

 

[vilehoopster]

Somebody (might have been GBI Brian) put together an average time of possession for Purdue and a bunch of the schools that Walker is looking at now and Purdue was very close to the top as far as shortest possession time on offense. So this whole "Purdue doesn't play a fast paced game" is mostly B.S. And the whole look at the coach comment is ridiculous. Purdue PG's rarely, if ever, do that. It's clear that someone has been in Walker's ear spouting negative crap about Purdue. Oh well, that's how the game gets played sometimes.

I do agree that there was negative recruiting. But to imply that Purdue doesn't work the clock and have long possessions just isn't true. I remember hearing a commentator say that one of the reasons we give Wisconsin so much trouble (Not the Big Ten Tourney, but up there this year and beat them there last year.... I think) is that we play the same way that Wisconsin does: We both work the half court and make other teams play defense a long time. So I don't think you can really claim we have short possessions. Plus if Walker came here, the first option in the half court is gonna be getting the ball to the 5-man, Hammons or Haas. So maybe it's better that he went somewhere else. I don't think shoot-first guards are hard to find or replace. Purdue will be fine without him.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

His comments, much like was already said, don't make a lot of sense to me and show that he hasn't really actually studied the offense to know how it works, or isn't smart enough basketball IQ wise to recognize what his role would have been. If people are looking over to painter it's because they are too young or inexperienced to know what to do. If he would have simply said I didn't want to spend my college career having someone yell MOVE at me the whole time because I'm a selfish player that just wants the ball in his hands all the time, then I'd understand.

 

[boilerzz]

I do agree that there was negative recruiting. But to imply that Purdue doesn't work the clock and have long possessions just isn't true. I remember hearing a commentator say that one of the reasons we give Wisconsin so much trouble (Not the Big Ten Tourney, but up there this year and beat them there last year.... I think) is that we play the same way that Wisconsin does: We both work the half court and make other teams play defense a long time. So I don't think you can really claim we have short possessions. Plus if Walker came here, the first option in the half court is gonna be getting the ball to the 5-man, Hammons or Haas. So maybe it's better that he went somewhere else. I don't think shoot-first guards are hard to find or replace. Purdue will be fine without him.

Big Ten 2014 tempo statistics (most possessions to least):

Penn St - 64.8
Rutgers - 64.8
IU - 64.6
Maryland - 64.3
Minnesota - 64.3
Purdue - 63.7
OSU - 63.5
MSU - 62.1
Illinois - 62.0
Nebraska - 61.6
Iowa - 61.3
Northwestern - 59.0
Michigan - 58.7
Wisconsin - 57.6

Those numbers don't even come close to supporting your position. Only once (2012) in Matt Painter's 10 years did he have an adjusted tempo that was worse than the national average.

 

[mathboy]

Check out Walkers comments recently....soon after de-committing from Purdue he said.....

“I’m just looking for somewhere I can play a more fast-paced game,” he said. “I want to go somewhere that I can come off ball screens and make plays early (in the possession). I want to go somewhere I can be a coach on the floor. I don’t want to look at the coach every time and ask for a play. I want to go somewhere I can plays immediately and the coach gives you freedom but also with organization.”

I think this shows the negative recruiting Purdue has to put up with from the folks in the basketball circles around here in Indiana. It also shows how Purdue teams who are better defensively than offensively can hurt recruiting which describes last year's team which was average to poor offensively, but just excellent on the other end. Will Walker end up being missed by the Boilers - likely. Would have been nice to have him. And pissed not about his decision, but the negative recruiting crap that goes on behind the scenes Painter has to put up with.

What egotistical nonsense! What freshman is going to be a "coach on the floor" in division 1 college basketball? What makes this punk think he has enough skill or BB IQ do this?

Purdue plays a faster than average game anyway, and when we had the baby Boilers, we were one of the highest scoring teams in the country. The motion offense gives teriffic freedom to the players on the court to make plays. This kid does not know what he is talking about. There is no truth in what he is saying. The statistics bear thie out. Purdue tends to attack good defensive teams with patience and high IQ plays. That makes us appear to play slow, as opposed to... let's say our brothers down south who can't seem to score unless it is on a fast break. Play fast = lose often.

Most of you realise this is someone doing negative recruiting against Painter. I would like to know which schools have gotten in his ear. I really don't think it was MSU. They really are not competing for Walker's services, as far as I know. Besides, MSU has something solid to sell. I would be more suspicious of an IU connection rather than MSU, if this is coming from inside the BIG.

 

[bodog57]

As someone mentioned on KC, he didn't play second fiddle to Trey Lyles this season, and he liked being the man.

 

[syc70]

I just happen to know a certain Big Ten PG (that happens to be an all-league type guy) at a top tier Big Ten school. He was told that the PG is not to shoot in their respective system (unless wide open) until under :12 on the shot clock. After that, they can create.....before that they are supposed to run the offense & get others shots.


Not sure this kid would like those restrictions on the PG.


This is not Purdue either.

 

[vilehoopster]

Big Ten 2014 tempo statistics (most possessions to least):

Penn St - 64.8
Rutgers - 64.8
IU - 64.6
Maryland - 64.3
Minnesota - 64.3
Purdue - 63.7
OSU - 63.5
MSU - 62.1
Illinois - 62.0
Nebraska - 61.6
Iowa - 61.3
Northwestern - 59.0
Michigan - 58.7
Wisconsin - 57.6

Those numbers don't even come close to supporting your position. Only once (2012) in Matt Painter's 10 years did he have an adjusted tempo that was worse than the national average.

These statistics, are they from 2014-2015, or is it 2013-2014? If it's from 13-14, I believe that. the year we were last in the Big Ten and didn't play any defense? That we had a lot of possessions has nothing to do with how long we had the ball. It just shows that teams scored right away and we got the ball right back. If it's 14-15, your point is more valid.

 

[vilehoopster]

These statistics, are they from 2014-2015, or is it 2013-2014? If it's from 13-14, I believe that. the year we were last in the Big Ten and didn't play any defense? That we had a lot of possessions has nothing to do with how long we had the ball. It just shows that teams scored right away and we got the ball right back. If it's 14-15, your point is more valid.

Wait, I just noticed that Maryland is on the list, so it must be this year, but really, would that be year 2015?

 

[pharoutengineer]

Big Ten 2014 tempo statistics (most possessions to least):

Penn St - 64.8
Rutgers - 64.8
IU - 64.6
Maryland - 64.3
Minnesota - 64.3
Purdue - 63.7
OSU - 63.5
MSU - 62.1
Illinois - 62.0
Nebraska - 61.6
Iowa - 61.3
Northwestern - 59.0
Michigan - 58.7
Wisconsin - 57.6

Those numbers don't even come close to supporting your position. Only once (2012) in Matt Painter's 10 years did he have an adjusted tempo that was worse than the national average.

Thank you. Purdue is certainly not the fastest tempo team out there, but this perception that they are slow and work the clock every possession is just way off base.

 

[mathboy]

Thank you. Purdue is certainly not the fastest tempo team out there, but this perception that they are slow and work the clock every possession is just way off base.

Hello McFly
Did you watch the team this year? Once they figured out how to play, they did pretty good scoring. We ran one of the better fast breaks in the BIG, when we got the chance. AJ, Edwards, and Stephens can really fly down the court.

What walker said doesn't jive with reality. If he was much of a student of the game, he could have seen this himself. Somebody poisoned the well. I would like to know who. He holds offers from ball state, Memphis, butler, and Cincinnati. I could see one of these schools feeding him a line of BS.

 

[Cleanface]

This kid sounds like a moron.

Think we dodged a bullet here.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

This kid sounds like a moron.

Think we dodged a bullet here.

Going to have to agree with you cleanface. Other then the fact that walker said he wanted to play at Purdue awhile ago I never got why people were so excited about him other then blatant homerism. He's undersized and lowly rated. I was actually kinda bummed when he committed. Had he came here he would have probably ended up as another one of Painters failed pg recruits. I'd rather painter go the Octeus combo guard route and get a guy with length and athleticism. And who the f&^% does this kid think he is wanting to be the "coach" as a frosh? Sounds delusional for his skill level and other then the negative publicity that comes with a decommit I'm even more happy he's no longer a boiler.

 

[boilerzz]

Wait, I just noticed that Maryland is on the list, so it must be this year, but really, would that be year 2015?

Yes, that is 2014-15.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

What egotistical nonsense! What freshman is going to be a "coach on the floor" in division 1 college basketball? What makes this punk think he has enough skill or BB IQ do this?

Purdue plays a faster than average game anyway, and when we had the baby Boilers, we were one of the highest scoring teams in the country. The motion offense gives teriffic freedom to the players on the court to make plays. This kid does not know what he is talking about. There is no truth in what he is saying. The statistics bear thie out. Purdue tends to attack good defensive teams with patience and high IQ plays. That makes us appear to play slow, as opposed to... let's say our brothers down south who can't seem to score unless it is on a fast break. Play fast = lose often.

Most of you realise this is someone doing negative recruiting against Painter. I would like to know which schools have gotten in his ear. I really don't think it was MSU. They really are not competing for Walker's services, as far as I know. Besides, MSU has something solid to sell. I would be more suspicious of an IU connection rather than MSU, if this is coming from inside the BIG.

I really don't think that Walker's issue is pace and while people have clearly been in his ear, it may not have been opposing coaches.

I'm pretty sure that one of the people that Walker talked to was Ronnie Johnson. I always thought that Painter gave RJ a lot of leeway, but RJ didn't want to have to play within the system. LewJack and Octeus, on the other hand, understood the system and played with in it, and therefore were given a lot of freedom.

One difference between the motion offense and an isolation system is how the half court offense is initiated. In Painter's motion system, the point guard gives up the ball initially, but the system should work to get the ball back to the point guard with an advantage. In Groce's offense or Crean's offense, the point guard (or best perimeter player) typically tries to break down the defense with the help of a ball screen and then dishes to the open man. I think that Painter's system requires a higher basketball IQ and I think that he has had some point guards who struggled to play within the system. My understanding is that Walker is a smart player and probably would have been more like LewJack, but I can imagine that RJ put a lot of doubt in his mind.

 

[snowsquirrel11]

Who cares, if the kid wants to run and gun and play backyard basketball he can go to IU and suck. Not a big loss here, time to move on and forget this pedestrian player like (most of us) did that kid that decommit and went to UK, Willis.

 

[iubb1984]

This kid sounds like a moron.

Think we dodged a bullet here.

This is pathetic. You'd welcome him back w open arms if he wanted to recommit, and so would Painter.

 

[snowsquirrel11]

This is pathetic. You'd welcome him back w open arms if he wanted to recommit, and so would Painter.

Considering Painter isn't recruiting him anymore, I think you're misinformed. Par for the course as an IU fan though.

 

[mathboy]

This is pathetic. You'd welcome him back w open arms if he wanted to recommit, and so would Painter.

Probably not.

However, we would welcome Yogi if he wants to do his graduate work and his 4th year of NCAA eligibillity at Purdue. I hear he is going somewhere else to play, so he can pick up some missing skills like defense.

 

[rgarlitz]

I've heard only bits and pieces of this Walker business, but from what I have heard I agree with cleanface.

Maybe Painter could be a little more flexible with the PG position. But, when it's working, I don't think our style of play is a detriment to the players playing it. I'm no coach, but the offense looked fluid and efficient to me, especially during the team's 8-1 streak in February.

It's no secret the program needs more stability at PG, but I'd rather lose a guy now than get another drama case who's going to be gone in two years.

 

[Heller]

I've heard only bits and pieces of this Walker business, but from what I have heard I agree with cleanface.

Maybe Painter could be a little more flexible with the PG position. But, when it's working, I don't think our style of play is a detriment to the players playing it. I'm no coach, but the offense looked fluid and efficient to me, especially during the team's 8-1 streak in February.

It's no secret the program needs more stability at PG, but I'd rather lose a guy now than get another drama case who's going to be gone in two years.

Yes but the problem is that the better PG's aren't even giving Purdue a sniff. Kyle Guy, McIntosh (yes I know his family bleeds IU), Brunson, Randle etc. All are choosing to go somewhere else. At some point when you lose a chance at good people you have to assess whether the problem is management and I'm a Painter guy generally. But there comes a point where the losses are piling up and the picture is getting worse, not better. Relying on a 5th year guy to fall in your lap each year isn't a sustainable model to me.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Yes but the problem is that the better PG's aren't even giving Purdue a sniff. Kyle Guy, McIntosh (yes I know his family bleeds IU), Brunson, Randle etc. All are choosing to go somewhere else. At some point when you lose a chance at good people you have to assess whether the problem is management and I'm a Painter guy generally. But there comes a point where the losses are piling up and the picture is getting worse, not better. Relying on a 5th year guy to fall in your lap each year isn't a sustainable model to me.

+1000 I think Brunson was too highly ranked for him to realistically consider Purdue, but I agree.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Yes but the problem is that the better PG's aren't even giving Purdue a sniff. Kyle Guy, McIntosh (yes I know his family bleeds IU), Brunson, Randle etc. All are choosing to go somewhere else. At some point when you lose a chance at good people you have to assess whether the problem is management and I'm a Painter guy generally. But there comes a point where the losses are piling up and the picture is getting worse, not better. Relying on a 5th year guy to fall in your lap each year isn't a sustainable model to me.

I agree...we won't need a 5th yr PG after next year...PJ and Weatherford will be fine and have experience and leadership...

CMP will get a good 2016 PG to back up them up for a year or compete for starting role.

I actually think we are ok if we do not land a 2015 5th year PG...I think Penny Brown is just fine in that 3rd spot.
*Note: The only thing I think a 5th year guy can bring in is different body size 6ft 3in or taller would give us a different look on defense and rebounding.

I love that Matt Painter loves to give 5th year guys a chance to develop more at Purdue.

So either way I am fine....

Boiler Up!

 

[Heller]

+1000 I think Brunson was too highly ranked for him to realistically consider Purdue, but I agree.

I'm not picking on you so don't take this personal, but I firmly believe that no player is too highly ranked to realistically consider Purdue. No one was higher ranked than Glenn and there were several before that. Purdue has a rich history of basketball, we just need to change the culture to today's market from the one in the 80's and 90's.

 

[Cleanface]

This is pathetic. You'd welcome him back w open arms if he wanted to recommit, and so would Painter.

Why??

He's a 3*, 5'10", 150# PG who sounds like an entitled primadonna. He's not a highly sought after guy with Blue Blood/20+ offers.

I barely even knew we had offered him by the time he left. Good luck to the kid, but I Couldn't care less.

 

[pboiler18]

Actually no, Painter told him we would not continue to recruit him after the decommit.

 

[iubb1984]

Why??

He's a 3*, 5'10", 150# PG who sounds like an entitled primadonna. He's not a highly sought after guy with Blue Blood/20+ offers.

I barely even knew we had offered him by the time he left. Good luck to the kid, but I Couldn't care less.

Painter is not recruiting him because he obviously is NOT going to come back (you know kinda like IU w Lyles? And yah we would have welcomed him back). Painter isn't stupid and isn't going to waste his time. There's a reason he recruited him originally and don't try to tell me he's gotten worse since that point. He's actually getting more interest now (why I believe he re-opened).

I don't care whether he's a 3* (that's pretty much half your recruits), but to trash a kid because he decommited and gave reasons publicly is stupid. I'm sure he has no harsh feelings for Purdue.

You sure "dodged a bullet". Can't wait to see his more highly regarded, better ranked replacement. PJT?

 

[Cleanface]

You seem upset.

Are you going to be ok??

 

[iubb1984]

Haha you cannot respond to a single thing I say w anything but personal jabs.

Have fun w your 2* replacement while CJ goes somewhere better.

 

[Cleanface]

If I act like I care more, will you stop e-crying??

Not sure what you want me to do here.

 

[iubb1984]

You obviously care enough to trash a 16yo kid lol

You're pathetic

 

[Cleanface]

"Trash" a kid?? Uhhh, OK.

Guess we have different definitions of the word "trash".

Sorry you're taking this so hard. Hope you feel better.



BTW - are you CJ Walker??

 

[iubb1984]

Just find people like you amusing. Rationalize anything w horrible logic and pout by saying you "dodged a bullet"

Have a nice day cleanface

 

[proudopete]

Just find people like you amusing. Rationalize anything w horrible logic and pout by saying you "dodged a bullet"

Have a nice day cleanface

I'm pretty sure finding out a kid who's committed who doesn't want to play in the system before he arrives on campus would fit perfectly in the definition of "dodging a bullet". Nice to see you care so much about us however.

 

[Cleanface]

Just find people like you amusing. Rationalize anything w horrible logic and pout by saying you "dodged a bullet"

I'm amusing??

You're an IU fan on a Purdue message board melting your tits off bc we aren't reacting to a decommit the way you think we ought to! Wtf?

Lololololololololololol el oh el.