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I'm going to recognize Crimea as Russian (despite rejecting Russian annexation in 2018.....I was joking) and you can keep 25% of Ukraine. I'll drop the sanctions on Russia. No NATO membership for Ukraine. I've blamed Zelensky for starting the war and called him a dictator. Why are you refusing to agree to ceasefires and still bombing Kyiv?
 
I'm going to recognize Crimea as Russian (despite rejecting Russian annexation in 2018.....I was joking) and you can keep 25% of Ukraine. I'll drop the sanctions on Russia. No NATO membership for Ukraine. I've blamed Zelensky for starting the war and called him a dictator. Why are you refusing to agree to ceasefires and still bombing Kyiv?
Remember, this war was supposed to be over on January 21, 2025.
 
Remember, this war was supposed to be over on January 21, 2025.
Yeah we remember as it gets posted everyday. It was a lie, we know it. Now let’s get back to January 6th the so called insurrection by many.
 
I'm going to recognize Crimea as Russian (despite rejecting Russian annexation in 2018.....I was joking) and you can keep 25% of Ukraine. I'll drop the sanctions on Russia. No NATO membership for Ukraine. I've blamed Zelensky for starting the war and called him a dictator. Why are you refusing to agree to ceasefires and still bombing Kyiv?
Don't.
 
Riveflection. That's all you got? Trump again showing he's Putin's bitch.

Don't. Or we will supply Ukraine with weapons that will allow them to fight you to a standstill. If we hadn't, trump would have anything to "negotiate".
 
Riveflection. That's all you got? Trump again showing he's Putin's bitch.

Don't. Or we will supply Ukraine with weapons that will allow them to fight you to a standstill. If we hadn't, trump would have anything to "negotiate".
Don't ...... let facts interrupt your TDS rant:

Trump in term 1: 1) Bombed Syria, Russia's main client, and unleashed the U.S. military in Syria, including against Russians; 2) Armed Ukraine; 3) Weakened the Iran nuclear deal, and would likely soon end it [which Trump later did]; 4) Browbeat NATO allies to increase defense spending; 5) Approved $130 billion in new defense spending; 6) Added low-yield nukes to the U.S. arsenal; 7) Started research and development on a new missile after Russia deployed a missile that did not comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty; 8) Shut down Russia's consulate in San Francisco; and 9) Pumped more U.S. oil and gas, making the U.S. more energy independent.

 
I'm going to recognize Crimea as Russian (despite rejecting Russian annexation in 2018.....I was joking) and you can keep 25% of Ukraine. I'll drop the sanctions on Russia. No NATO membership for Ukraine. I've blamed Zelensky for starting the war and called him a dictator. Why are you refusing to agree to ceasefires and still bombing Kyiv?
Biden to Iran: "Don't"
 
I'm going to recognize Crimea as Russian (despite rejecting Russian annexation in 2018.....I was joking) and you can keep 25% of Ukraine. I'll drop the sanctions on Russia. No NATO membership for Ukraine. I've blamed Zelensky for starting the war and called him a dictator. Why are you refusing to agree to ceasefires and still bombing Kyiv?
What's this have to do with Jan 6?
 
You just recite your talking point and move on........even when it makes no sense? I guess it makes you feel better to say something meaningless rather than say nothing at all........while ignoring what's happening right now.
You don't get the joke, Bagram Bob?
 
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He is also the only one trying to end the ongoing slaughter.
No. The Europeans are involved in the negotiations. Zelensky is certainly trying to end the slaughter of his own people.

But to your point, who else would you expect to be making the effort? To my knowledge, no one else claimed ending the war would be quick and easy.

How is he trying to end it? His warrior SecDef gave up the best bargaining chip with no NATO membership. He has three separate negotiators dealing with Russia, Ukraine and the Euros. Putin has rebuffed efforts for a ceasefire and has faced zero consequences for it. Trump is still attacking Zelensky but all he can say to Putin is "you better stop"........and you want to give trump a participation trophy.
 
No. The Europeans are involved in the negotiations. Zelensky is certainly trying to end the slaughter of his own people.

But to your point, who else would you expect to be making the effort? To my knowledge, no one else claimed ending the war would be quick and easy.

How is he trying to end it? His warrior SecDef gave up the best bargaining chip with no NATO membership. He has three separate negotiators dealing with Russia, Ukraine and the Euros. Putin has rebuffed efforts for a ceasefire and has faced zero consequences for it. Trump is still attacking Zelensky but all he can say to Putin is "you better stop"........and you want to give trump a participation trophy.
Zelensky is partially responsible for the slaughter of his own people. Ukraine would have been a lot better off letting Russia take it over. What did this war accomplish? Many people dead from both sides and Ukraine has been badly destroyed in many areas.

Zelensky had no chance to win in the first place. He was in a no win position and he took the no win position. As your man Trump would say, he didn’t have the cards to negotiate from strength. How many more deaths and destruction is he will to put the remaining people through? Bottom line is he can’t win.
 
Zelensky is partially responsible for the slaughter of his own people. Ukraine would have been a lot better off letting Russia take it over. What did this war accomplish? Many people dead from both sides and Ukraine has been badly destroyed in many areas.

Zelensky had no chance to win in the first place. He was in a no win position and he took the no win position. As your man Trump would say, he didn’t have the cards to negotiate from strength. How many more deaths and destruction is he will to put the remaining people through? Bottom line is he can’t win.
"Ukraine would have been a lot better off letting Russia take it over."

Why would anyone try to have a rational conversation with someone who believes this? It EMPHATICALLY shows you are locked into a position and will say anything......no matter how shortsighted, uninformed, unsympathetic and arrogant it may be........to justify your stance. Unbelievable.
 
Ukraine would have been a lot better off letting Russia take it over.
That is one of the most ridiculous statements that I have ever heard on this forum. And y'all have said some jacked up stuff. How many horrible soldiers did Russia lose. Is Russia winning? Russia is a huge country with a huge military and they cannot take over a jive country like Ukraine. Why y'all repubs are so infatuated with Russia so much?
 
"Ukraine would have been a lot better off letting Russia take it over."

Why would anyone try to have a rational conversation with someone who believes this? It EMPHATICALLY shows you are locked into a position and will say anything......no matter how shortsighted, uninformed, unsympathetic and arrogant it may be........to justify your stance. Unbelievable.
So you say people are better off dead and the country destroyed even if you can’t win. I would rather be alive and have a place to live.
 
No. The Europeans are involved in the negotiations. Zelensky is certainly trying to end the slaughter of his own people.

But to your point, who else would you expect to be making the effort? To my knowledge, no one else claimed ending the war would be quick and easy.

How is he trying to end it? His warrior SecDef gave up the best bargaining chip with no NATO membership. He has three separate negotiators dealing with Russia, Ukraine and the Euros. Putin has rebuffed efforts for a ceasefire and has faced zero consequences for it. Trump is still attacking Zelensky but all he can say to Putin is "you better stop"........and you want to give trump a participation trophy.
I would have expected the US to try to prevent the war and then to try to stop. I see no evidence that the Biden 'administration' did either - making the US defense industry pleased that their lobbying paid off.

Here is what Trump has done that greatly displeases the US defense industry - unless they can get in on the sales:

 
So you say people are better off dead and the country destroyed even if you can’t win. I would rather be alive and have a place to live.
If the Ukraine can’t win they would have surrendered by now. Perhaps Russia needs to surrender since their military is inferior. Say Russia does win. What do they gain with the Ukraine? They lost almost a million soldiers for what? If Russia wins, was it worth losing over a million soldiers?
 
If the Ukraine can’t win they would have surrendered by now. Perhaps Russia needs to surrender since their military is inferior. Say Russia does win. What do they gain with the Ukraine? They lost almost a million soldiers for what? If Russia wins, was it worth losing over a million soldiers?
Of course not. Maybe they gain mineral rights that’s very valuable. You guys want to play hero with the rules so stacked against the Ukraine. Countries supplying them with money and resources tell them not to shoot them at Russia. How do you win with those rules? All the fighting is in their backyard. I bet Bob would tell his son to skedaddle if he lived in the Ukraine. You guys can talk tough as long as your life isn’t on the line.
 
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You guys can talk tough as long as your life isn’t on the line.
I encouraged Bagram Bob to back up his virtue signalling by volunteering for the Ukraine army. They would have accepted him, as they did many other foreigners.

He chose instead to support Ukraine with his typical virtue signalling rather than standing up for what he claimed to believe -- augmented by his usual TDS rants, of course. Good work, Bob.
 
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Of course not. Maybe they gain mineral rights that’s very valuable. You guys want to play hero with the rules so stacked against the Ukraine. Countries supplying them with money and resources tell them not to shoot them at Russia. How do you win with those rules? All the fighting is in their backyard. I bet Bob would tell his son to skedaddle if he lived in the Ukraine. You guys can talk tough as long as your life isn’t on the line.
Gaining mineral rights is worth losing over a million soldiers? You got to be jivin.

How do you fight with those rules? Nobody told Russia to invade the Ukraine.
 
Gaining mineral rights is worth losing over a million soldiers? You got to be jivin.

How do you fight with those rules? Nobody told Russia to invade the Ukraine.
You tell me, since Russia invaded Ukraine how do they win? If you lived in the Ukraine would your sons have fought for the cause of not?
 
So you say people are better off dead and the country destroyed even if you can’t win. I would rather be alive and have a place to live.
I didn't say that. This is you portraying the circumstances in such a way that your capitulation scenario makes sense.

Ukraine is losing?

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in a country invaded by a superior force. Sounds like you'd just give up and submit to be ruled by a socialist, murdering dictator. You'd give up your right to free speech willingly. Every day, worrying about saying something the government considers a threat to the state. Going to sleep wondering if you'll awake to the secret police dragging you out of bed and off to a rehabilitation camp. Your sons conscripted to go fight in a war where you are shot if you retreat. Living on the edge of poverty.

But hey, why fight to save your democracy when you might die doing so? Better to be alive living in a corrupt authoritarian regime with few rights than risk death fighting for freedom. Patrick Henry would disagree.
 
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