Riveting is completely dependent upon RW propaganda for his opinions. He'll be back to you when the regime sends out their talking points.
Train Wreck. Clown Show.
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Is the measure short term, long term or both? Does the measure result in some number towards self-sufficiency? Does the measure result more defense security? Are those measures a 1:1 or are they weighted much more heavily? Which countries can ride out the longest in this trade balance? Does the rabbit decide the results of negotiating with the eagle? On the electronics side the USA needs control of product here…as it does on the pharmaceuticals and vaccines (and rare earth materials). In over 20 years the “main” countries I have dealt with concerning various products were USA, China, Japan, Mexico and Thailand. Those were the main while Germany, Italy, Canada and France were very much smaller.
What started out with Mexico ended up in China for much product. This was due to somewhat to GM mandating product to China. GM did NOT see the future market in the USA, but in China…probably something many are unaware. Thailand was not so much an electric product, but a rubber and plastic keypad with either carbon or gold pills or carbon printed pills for unique shapes in automotive buttons, keyboards and cell phones. Companies put their best technology overseas, not in the USA. Tooling would come out of different countries, but a lot out of Japan/China for various molds and such. One thing that connects the majority of products, through surface mount (thousands of parts in a given product) primarily are circuit boards and those are in China primarily. Then you have the chip making technology were larger wafers are needed and that too is outside the country with China having a heavy hand. Some may recall that no chips were available and cars could not be produced as a finished product around the 21/22 timeline. Somehow the USA ended up with little self sufficiency on so many fronts, while paying out what was short from all the NATO countries since WW2 and now we see the first person trying to fix problems that have lingered for decades and some…probably many young enough to not be worried about the market are unaware of so many other problem areas and any potential inflation on a single blip that probably pales to the market loss duration when the country was shut down. With possibly 60% of my assets in the market I’m aware of the hit, but also aware of the long term goals as well as the fraud and waste costs of the government. Now if someone has actually worked with other countries and wish to disagree with what I wrote…I am open to their understandings…
Here's an example;
BMW was under negotiations to expand a new plant in South Carolina. Bring parts in from all over the world, but especially Germany, assemble them in South Carolina, and sell them to North American customers.
If this lunacy continues? They will pay a massive tariff for those incoming parts, and any exports to Canada (or other nations) from South Carolina finished products will be re-tariffed at a very high rate because of those county's reactions to Trump's double digit tariffs.
So BMW's reaction? Close the South Carolina plant - move it to Canada, which has free trade with Germany, and sell to Americans at a much higher price.
BMW was under negotiations to expand a new plant in South Carolina. Bring parts in from all over the world, but especially Germany, assemble them in South Carolina, and sell them to North American customers.
If this lunacy continues? They will pay a massive tariff for those incoming parts, and any exports to Canada (or other nations) from South Carolina finished products will be re-tariffed at a very high rate because of those county's reactions to Trump's double digit tariffs.
So BMW's reaction? Close the South Carolina plant - move it to Canada, which has free trade with Germany, and sell to Americans at a much higher price.
Thousands and thousands out of millions and millions. Try not to let your TDS cause you to loss all perspective, as has happened to poor katCSjm23.
The major indexes closed Friday at about the same levels of one year ago. Were you upset about the market one year ago, worrying about people's retirements and so forth?
Here is true and evil idiocy - one of many examples from the last four years:
"Grassley repeatedly warned that the Biden-Harris UAC program’s inadequate safeguards, lax vetting procedures and limited inter-agency communication allowed children to be lost or released to dangerous adult sponsors. DHS OIG’s report validated all of Grassley’s findings."
Bombshell Report Confirms Grassley Oversight of Biden-Harris Admin’s Failure to Protect Migrant Children | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa
WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Office of Inspector General...
www.grassley.senate.gov
Dow down another 3% this morning.
So negative growth from one year ago.
And since Biden left office? About 12% negative growth. All because of one incompetent man that is so sure he is not incompetent.
Fox News financial panel
Also, this:
Audi and BMW call for dismantling of trade barriers in North America
Audi and BMW are facing the prospect of 25% tariffs on vehicle exports from their plants in Mexico to the US and reviewing local content rules and pricing.
www.automotivelogistics.media
Is there something about the concept of a company like BMW importing parts to their American plant, and those parts getting tariffed back and forth repeatedly that you think is untrue? If there is, say so.
Where does it say BMW's reaction is to "close the SC plant...and move it to Canada" like you said?Fox News financial panel
Also, this:
Audi and BMW call for dismantling of trade barriers in North America
Audi and BMW are facing the prospect of 25% tariffs on vehicle exports from their plants in Mexico to the US and reviewing local content rules and pricing.www.automotivelogistics.media
Is there something about the concept of a company like BMW importing parts to their American plant, and those parts getting tariffed back and forth repeatedly that you think is untrue? If there is, say so.
Have you been busted yet again for lying on this forum?
The Dow is currently worth 85.7% of what it was the day Trump was sworn in.
That is shocking.
If he backs off of all of this nonsense markets will generally recover, but trading partners will not trust the US government again until and unless Trump leaves office.
So let's hope for that.
That is shocking.
If he backs off of all of this nonsense markets will generally recover, but trading partners will not trust the US government again until and unless Trump leaves office.
So let's hope for that.
Good gawd you are dense. I offered an opinion on the logical progression if this lunacy continues, and you think that my opinion of that logical next step is a lie?
Are you that addled? Your reading comprehension of that post is that of either a five year old or an Alzheimer's patient.
I know you struggle with language, especially during your continuing TDS hysteria, but you said:
"So BMW's reaction? Close the South Carolina plant - move it to Canada, which has free trade with Germany, and sell to Americans at a much higher price."
Now you are claiming that was your opinion on a logical progression for BMW? That it would close a major mfg plant in SC and move it to Canada so it could sell into the US at higher prices?
Does anybody else on this forum think this would be remotely logical that BMW would even consider such a disastrously stupid move?
The stock market is not the economy.
When it goes back up, which it will at some point, will you feel embarrassed for your comments?
The stock market is a reflection of the economy.
Did you see what just happened?
- The market started down way, way down - Dow down over 1,000.
- News leaks that Trump is considering a 90 day pause in the tariffs
- The Dow does a complete about face and is up about 500 at that point.
- The White House then puts out a press release that calls the purported tariff undoing "fake news."
- The Dow is now again down about 1,000.
Republicans don't care about the actual economy anymore. Just getting back at perceived adversaries. That is clear.
Edit just to add that there is a reason Trump has filed 6 bankruptcies.
They were way worse. So bad she deleted them. Years of comms.
Second largest automaker makes dramatic move, stops all US car imports
The extraordinary move by the brand is the latest and follows big decisions by the maker of Dodge and Ram cars on the back of Trump's car tariffs.
www.dailymail.co.uk
This is good news. Now Americans will be buying US mad cars.Second largest automaker makes dramatic move, stops all US car imports
The extraordinary move by the brand is the latest and follows big decisions by the maker of Dodge and Ram cars on the back of Trump's car tariffs.www.dailymail.co.uk
Jeep, Dodge, and Ram (Stellantis) laying off 900 American auto workers.
VW adding tariff fees to their cars, and that’s the ones that can get in the country—they have one big American plant …for now.
And you think this is good news. The only good news will be when the tariff lunacy ends.
You are one of those “Trump could shoot someone on 5th Ave and you’ll still support him” guys.
How concerned were you last August when they laid off 2400 workers? More of your hysterical hypocrisy, katHH.
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Our primary hope in all of this is that ADD Trump's word doesn't mean squat.
Give what's left of his faculties-in-decline brain? A few more weeks and he'll change his mind, claim victory, and spin the disaster into a win for his cult member followers like you.
BTW -- I though that Trump was anti-trans!
The photo ops yesterday show him wearing more makeup than RuPaul on a bender:
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You missed the big news last week when both Stellantis and Ford began offering all customers employee discount pricing following the tariffs. People will begin buying American again.
Stellantis joins Ford in offering customers employee discount pricing following tariffs
Stellantis NV's offering will run through the end of the month.
www.detroitnews.com
Terrific 4-minute NPR (yes, NPR) interview with the CEO of American Giant - not complimentary of Trump, but reflecting what they are up against in competing with China.
FWIW... I'm not trying to be an absolutist here.
Tariffs can be effective when placed on nations that are f-ing us over. It's when they are indiscriminately pushed onto allies at extortionary rates without thought, that they are a terrible idea.
Shaping up to be a bad day in the stock market for you and other hysterics - but maybe it will turn around and go down some more to make you happy.
here is another article discussing why the hard, quick tariff on China.
Why US Has Upper Hand Over Beijing in Tariff Standoff
Experts say the tariff standoff is beyond economic conflict; Trump and Xi are contesting U.S. economic might versus communist political control.
Why US Has Upper Hand Over Beijing in Tariff Standoff
Experts say the tariff standoff is beyond economic conflict; Trump and Xi are contesting U.S. economic might versus communist political control.
www.theepochtimes.com
So tariffs against Chinese goods might be a pretty good idea, but tariffs against Canadian goods might be a pretty bad idea?here is another article discussing why the hard, quick tariff on China.
Why US Has Upper Hand Over Beijing in Tariff Standoff
Experts say the tariff standoff is beyond economic conflict; Trump and Xi are contesting U.S. economic might versus communist political control.
Why US Has Upper Hand Over Beijing in Tariff Standoff
Experts say the tariff standoff is beyond economic conflict; Trump and Xi are contesting U.S. economic might versus communist political control.www.theepochtimes.com
Shocking.
Great article, thanks for posting. I hope the other hysterics in addition to katHH read it as it really pulls together the various elements of the strategy to deal with the China police state. Remember when the oblivious Vice Puppet Harris said our greatest adversary is Iran?
One thing dictatorships have traditionally done when things get bad enough on the home front is to start a 'patriotic' war, which would be Taiwan.
Time will tell. Some of this is like medicine that tastes bad, but hopefully gets your health better later. more for any interested. I need to get some things done...
US Geopolitical Chess: Strategies Against China, Russia, and Iran
Commentary
As the United States brokers a cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine, the Trump administration’s unique strategies toward China, Russia, and Iran are becoming more apparent. At the same time, the administration is redefining alliances while urging partners to step up their defense instead of depending on America’s traditional generosity.
This multifaceted strategy aims to reshape the global order by isolating the three adversaries of the United States, with the ultimate goal of delivering a decisive blow to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Russia Strategy
President Donald Trump is focused on quickly resolving the Russia–Ukraine conflict by providing Moscow with a way out while maintaining pressure on the CCP, which remains his main target. After taking office, he shifted U.S. policy toward Russia, incorporating a mix of incentives and some level of coercion, with a stronger emphasis on the former. This strategy has yielded positive results, initiating discussions for a cease-fire.
On Jan. 22, just days into his presidency, Trump posted on his Truth Social platform: “I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous war! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a ‘deal,’ and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let’s get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with!”
The Kremlin responded swiftly. On Feb. 12, Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone, agreeing to start negotiations right away to halt the conflict, breaking a diplomatic stalemate.
On Feb. 18, the U.S. and Russian teams met in Saudi Arabia, resuming normal engagement and laying the groundwork for cease-fire discussions. By March 18, a second call between Trump and Putin focused on halting attacks on energy infrastructure. This initiated technical talks regarding a maritime cease-fire in the Black Sea, a broader truce, and a lasting peace deal.
On March 25, the White House detailed separate U.S. meetings with Russia and Ukraine, securing safe Black Sea navigation and a mutual pledge to spare energy infrastructure. The United States also committed to aiding Russia’s agricultural and fertilizer exports while helping Ukraine recover detained civilians and children displaced by Russia.
The next steps will likely address issues related to territorial borders, peacekeeping, sanctions relief, and security guarantees. As long as Moscow is cooperative, Trump will prefer to offer incentives. However, if Russia adopts a more rigid position, he is prepared to walk away, compelling the Kremlin to consider its alternatives—especially in light of potential betrayal by Beijing. Trump’s strategy focuses on creating a rift between Russia and China while simultaneously applying pressure on both nations.
China Strategy
Regarding the CCP, Trump employs a dual approach of intense pressure and selective engagement.
Tariffs lead the charge. Citing China’s failure to stem fentanyl flows into the United States, he imposed an additional 10 percent tariff on Chinese imports effective on March 4.
Moreover, G7 ministers, during a meeting in Canada on March 14, issued a statement that hardened their position on the Chinese regime’s trade practices, military expansion, and regional tensions. Notably, the joint statement did not reference the “One China” policy, indicating support for Taiwan’s participation in global organizations. Washington likely influenced this shift.
These actions rattled the CCP, yet Trump had sought to engage with Beijing.
In December, the U.S. president invited CCP leader Xi Jinping to his inauguration; however, Xi declined the invitation and sent his deputy, Han Zheng, in his place. The idea of a meeting between Xi and Trump generated significant interest, but it appeared that the White House was merely trying to gauge reactions and test the waters.
On March 22, Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) visited Beijing, where he discussed the issue of fentanyl with Vice Premier He Lifeng and suggested the possibility of future high-level talks. Later, Daines also met with Chinese Premier Li Qiang, who told the United States to opt for “dialogue” rather than “confrontation.”
Yet Beijing’s actions suggest resistance. On March 24, it enacted an anti-foreign sanctions law, signaling defiance.
Washington acted quickly. The next day, the United States added 42 Chinese entities to its export restriction list and imposed a 25 percent tariff on all goods imported from those countries that purchase Venezuelan oil, essentially halting China’s purchases.
Beijing remains resolute in its stance against the United States. A virtual meeting on March 26 between U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer and Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng resulted in no progress. Additionally, Li Ka-shing’s sale of Panama Canal port rights to BlackRock on March 4 drew late criticism from Beijing, but this response came too late to be of any significance.
Iran Strategy
Trump has not overlooked Iran, especially following the country’s naval drills with China and Russia on March 9.
The U.S. president sent a letter to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei in early March, seeking to negotiate a deal to restrain Tehran’s rapidly advancing nuclear program.
However, Khamenei rejected direct negotiations with the United States over the issue, saying, “Some foreign governments and domineering figures insist on negotiations, while their goal is not to resolve issues but to exert control and impose their own agendas.”
On March 15, as the trilateral exercise ended, U.S. forces struck Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared it a warning to Tehran: “An era of peace, through strength, is back.”
Trump followed up with a social media post on March 17, vowing “great force” against Houthi retaliation and holding Iran accountable for arming the terrorist group. Two days later, he demanded Iran halt supplies “immediately,” predicting the Houthis’s swift defeat.
The strikes served a dual purpose: they sent a message to Beijing and Moscow. Following a meeting on March 14 in Beijing that involved representatives from China, Russia, and Iran discussing Tehran’s nuclear program, Trump’s escalation with the Houthis undermined Beijing’s mediation efforts. As U.S.–Russia–Ukraine discussions progressed in Saudi Arabia, it highlighted Trump’s willingness to pivot against Moscow if necessary.
Trump is playing a different game with China, Russia, and Iran to divide them, aiming to hit the CCP the hardest.
The Bigger Picture
In a chaotic, uncertain world, Trump effectively utilizes every available resource. The United States must bring all its resources together to confront the CCP. The sooner America’s allies and partners understand this strategy and offer their support, the faster the CCP will weaken and potentially collapse.
Once the CCP falls, Russia will lack the means to sustain its war efforts, Iran will find itself without a backer, and terrorist organizations will struggle to survive. Only then can global stability be restored, the international order reestablished, and nations begin to enjoy a peaceful existence.
Yang Wei
Author
Yang Wei has been closely following China affairs for many years.
read the next one I posted if time. I still recall a phone call many years ago with Taiwan dealing with keypads and such and the lady volunteering her support for the USA after 911 and stating that she knew the agreement with the USA was to defend Taiwan in times of need (like against China). A few years later in my ignorance I soon learned why some Japanese co-workers did not want to be some eye for me with a supplier in China...totally ignorant (embarrassingly) of the rape of Nanjing and how they were afraid to go into China.
Confronting the CCP would be more effective if we had allies with us in a collective effort to place maximum economic pressure on them. No chance of that.Time will tell. Some of this is like medicine that tastes bad, but hopefully gets your health better later. more for any interested. I need to get some things done...
US Geopolitical Chess: Strategies Against China, Russia, and Iran
Commentary
As the United States brokers a cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine, the Trump administration’s unique strategies toward China, Russia, and Iran are becoming more apparent. At the same time, the administration is redefining alliances while urging partners to step up their defense instead of depending on America’s traditional generosity.
This multifaceted strategy aims to reshape the global order by isolating the three adversaries of the United States, with the ultimate goal of delivering a decisive blow to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
Russia Strategy
President Donald Trump is focused on quickly resolving the Russia–Ukraine conflict by providing Moscow with a way out while maintaining pressure on the CCP, which remains his main target. After taking office, he shifted U.S. policy toward Russia, incorporating a mix of incentives and some level of coercion, with a stronger emphasis on the former. This strategy has yielded positive results, initiating discussions for a cease-fire.
On Jan. 22, just days into his presidency, Trump posted on his Truth Social platform: “I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR. Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous war! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a ‘deal,’ and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries. Let’s get this war, which never would have started if I were President, over with!”
The Kremlin responded swiftly. On Feb. 12, Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke by phone, agreeing to start negotiations right away to halt the conflict, breaking a diplomatic stalemate.
On Feb. 18, the U.S. and Russian teams met in Saudi Arabia, resuming normal engagement and laying the groundwork for cease-fire discussions. By March 18, a second call between Trump and Putin focused on halting attacks on energy infrastructure. This initiated technical talks regarding a maritime cease-fire in the Black Sea, a broader truce, and a lasting peace deal.
On March 25, the White House detailed separate U.S. meetings with Russia and Ukraine, securing safe Black Sea navigation and a mutual pledge to spare energy infrastructure. The United States also committed to aiding Russia’s agricultural and fertilizer exports while helping Ukraine recover detained civilians and children displaced by Russia.
The next steps will likely address issues related to territorial borders, peacekeeping, sanctions relief, and security guarantees. As long as Moscow is cooperative, Trump will prefer to offer incentives. However, if Russia adopts a more rigid position, he is prepared to walk away, compelling the Kremlin to consider its alternatives—especially in light of potential betrayal by Beijing. Trump’s strategy focuses on creating a rift between Russia and China while simultaneously applying pressure on both nations.
China Strategy
Regarding the CCP, Trump employs a dual approach of intense pressure and selective engagement.
Tariffs lead the charge. Citing China’s failure to stem fentanyl flows into the United States, he imposed an additional 10 percent tariff on Chinese imports effective on March 4.
Moreover, G7 ministers, during a meeting in Canada on March 14, issued a statement that hardened their position on the Chinese regime’s trade practices, military expansion, and regional tensions. Notably, the joint statement did not reference the “One China” policy, indicating support for Taiwan’s participation in global organizations. Washington likely influenced this shift.
These actions rattled the CCP, yet Trump had sought to engage with Beijing.
In December, the U.S. president invited CCP leader Xi Jinping to his inauguration; however, Xi declined the invitation and sent his deputy, Han Zheng, in his place. The idea of a meeting between Xi and Trump generated significant interest, but it appeared that the White House was merely trying to gauge reactions and test the waters.
On March 22, Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) visited Beijing, where he discussed the issue of fentanyl with Vice Premier He Lifeng and suggested the possibility of future high-level talks. Later, Daines also met with Chinese Premier Li Qiang, who told the United States to opt for “dialogue” rather than “confrontation.”
Yet Beijing’s actions suggest resistance. On March 24, it enacted an anti-foreign sanctions law, signaling defiance.
Washington acted quickly. The next day, the United States added 42 Chinese entities to its export restriction list and imposed a 25 percent tariff on all goods imported from those countries that purchase Venezuelan oil, essentially halting China’s purchases.
Beijing remains resolute in its stance against the United States. A virtual meeting on March 26 between U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer and Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng resulted in no progress. Additionally, Li Ka-shing’s sale of Panama Canal port rights to BlackRock on March 4 drew late criticism from Beijing, but this response came too late to be of any significance.
Iran Strategy
Trump has not overlooked Iran, especially following the country’s naval drills with China and Russia on March 9.
The U.S. president sent a letter to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei in early March, seeking to negotiate a deal to restrain Tehran’s rapidly advancing nuclear program.
However, Khamenei rejected direct negotiations with the United States over the issue, saying, “Some foreign governments and domineering figures insist on negotiations, while their goal is not to resolve issues but to exert control and impose their own agendas.”
On March 15, as the trilateral exercise ended, U.S. forces struck Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared it a warning to Tehran: “An era of peace, through strength, is back.”
Trump followed up with a social media post on March 17, vowing “great force” against Houthi retaliation and holding Iran accountable for arming the terrorist group. Two days later, he demanded Iran halt supplies “immediately,” predicting the Houthis’s swift defeat.
The strikes served a dual purpose: they sent a message to Beijing and Moscow. Following a meeting on March 14 in Beijing that involved representatives from China, Russia, and Iran discussing Tehran’s nuclear program, Trump’s escalation with the Houthis undermined Beijing’s mediation efforts. As U.S.–Russia–Ukraine discussions progressed in Saudi Arabia, it highlighted Trump’s willingness to pivot against Moscow if necessary.
Trump is playing a different game with China, Russia, and Iran to divide them, aiming to hit the CCP the hardest.
The Bigger Picture
In a chaotic, uncertain world, Trump effectively utilizes every available resource. The United States must bring all its resources together to confront the CCP. The sooner America’s allies and partners understand this strategy and offer their support, the faster the CCP will weaken and potentially collapse.
Once the CCP falls, Russia will lack the means to sustain its war efforts, Iran will find itself without a backer, and terrorist organizations will struggle to survive. Only then can global stability be restored, the international order reestablished, and nations begin to enjoy a peaceful existence.
Yang Wei
Author
Yang Wei has been closely following China affairs for many years.
In more recent news, Russia has rejected the ceasefire, is still bombing Ukraine, and has conscripted another 160k troops.
Cars.com researchers examined 338 cars to rank the top 100 on “five criteria: assembly location, parts content, engine origin, transmission origin, and U.S. manufacturing workforce.”
The Top Ten:
In more good news for you, @Katscratch 's "logical progression" post yesterday that BMW would close its SC plant and move it to Canada in order to sell even higher priced cars into the US has replaced your famous Bagram airbase post as the single dumbest I have ever seen on this forum.
A big Congrats to Kat23JM!
Honestly, are you of the retard? Yes. those are US-made cars. There is no tariff on them. Do you understand this or are you confused?
Some of the parts are made outside the US. Thus subjected to tariffs from the countries of origin. Hence driving up the costs of cars purchased in the US.
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