Tom reporting Walters likely to return…
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I’m not one to push the narrative but I’ve noticed something here on the board that I won’t share publicly. I’ll just say in places where certain things and people get mentioned the posts disappear if the discussion doesn’t take off and get big enough to where people would notice edits. It’s especially aggressive immediately after losses…
Me thinks “big brother” is watching and under strict command to control narratives here in exchange for continued access to the programs.
Overall, I don’t think Walters was a DEI hire. He earned a shot. The question I would ask is that if he’s retained…he’s wasted his shot and proved he doesn’t belong…so why is he still here outside of everybody simply waiting on a miracle n his tenure that’s never going to come?
Is it a Black AAD who is in charge of diversity keeping him around for diversity’s sake? And if so…why? That’s poor leadership to the max.
So after two seasons, who is comfortable at throwing $11 million at Purdue Football and allowing CRW to hire new assistant coaches and correctly evaluate portal talent...?
You know that is a good point. Regardless of what happens, there is a host of new assistants coming in.. that you're paying for anyway.. why not do all of that under a new coach?
I've been telling my friends for weeks that I can't wait for this nightmare of a season to end.
Not at all. Bobo isn’t sticking his replacement with a bigger dumpster fire. Which would be a $9 payout and a replacement you didn’t pick with a full contract. Keep Walters and bring in a new AD next year before football starts. Walters will be gone 4-5 games into the season.
We’re spending money, but it’s on stupid stuff like tunnels for our crummy team to run through.
I’m just glad Mbob is flushing a year of football so things can happen on HIS timeline.
BoBo has done an awesome job with the other sports at Purdue.
I still believe the sole reason that Walters has not been fired is because none of YOU that have complained about him have ponied up the $10 million to replace him.
You want a new coach. To get a new coach, you will need to find the money for Walters buyout and the new coach Will want more money than Walters if you expect him to bring Purdue back to mediocrity.
WHICH one of YOU that wants Walters fired is willing to put your money where your mouth is? I can hear crickets chirping.
On a plus side, Walters has faced 4 schools ranked in the top 5 this year and faced a top 25 Illinois and a top 10 IU. Would any coach have been able to win those games? The sad part is the schedule isn’t going to get any easier going forward as we look to having teams like USC and Washington on our schedule. The BIG10 didn’t do Purdue any favors with their last 4 additions.
I truly believe Purdue just doesn’t have the money to buy out Walters. They earmarked too much of that revenue for facility upgrades. Purdue is asking alumni to pony up for the NIL and now asking for more money to replace the coach? Sorry. There is just so much money alumni are willing to give.
You keep talking about the new Big10 network revenue. But you have no idea how much of that money has already been earmarked for other expenditures. You moan and complain Purdue gives out so little NIL money. Is it possible that’s because Purdue just doesn’t have the money to give?
Who here gives Purdue $1 million a year? That is the person who has a right to complain. If you don’t give, then accept the product you are given
I still believe the sole reason that Walters has not been fired is because none of YOU that have complained about him have ponied up the $10 million to replace him.
You want a new coach. To get a new coach, you will need to find the money for Walters buyout and the new coach Will want more money than Walters if you expect him to bring Purdue back to mediocrity.
WHICH one of YOU that wants Walters fired is willing to put your money where your mouth is? I can hear crickets chirping.
On a plus side, Walters has faced 4 schools ranked in the top 5 this year and faced a top 25 Illinois and a top 10 IU. Would any coach have been able to win those games? The sad part is the schedule isn’t going to get any easier going forward as we look to having teams like USC and Washington on our schedule. The BIG10 didn’t do Purdue any favors with their last 4 additions.
I truly believe Purdue just doesn’t have the money to buy out Walters. They earmarked too much of that revenue for facility upgrades. Purdue is asking alumni to pony up for the NIL and now asking for more money to replace the coach? Sorry. There is just so much money alumni are willing to give.
You keep talking about the new Big10 network revenue. But you have no idea how much of that money has already been earmarked for other expenditures. You moan and complain Purdue gives out so little NIL money. Is it possible that’s because Purdue just doesn’t have the money to give?
Who here gives Purdue $1 million a year? That is the person who has a right to complain. If you don’t give, then accept the product you are given
Take your meds.
Every single one of us that has spent money going to games, donating, buying Purdue gear has already put funds toward NIL/coaches salaries/etc. as that is literally how it works.
But with you not being a Purdue fan, you don't get it.
Walters isnt up to the task. Your question is a great one...why is he here right now when he should have been let go during the bye. Its even more eggregious if tom is correct and he gets another year if the powers that be use wins and losses as their main kpi. If its not wins and losses is it money, pride, or something else? I really dont know and i doubt a straight answer is ever given but they are setting the program back by years by this decision. We have to build the team with solid recruiting. We dont have the cash or desire to invest to make a huge splash in the nil world. We are hemorraging recruits left and right and nobody will tske walters serious on the recruiting front going forward. To your point.....why? Whats more important than having a competitive football program from an athletic department viewpoint.
Blaming alumni and fans because bobo made a horrendous hire then allocated too much money elsewhere to get rid of the horrendous hire is a strange take. Every bit of the problems you identified in your post are on bobo. I was shocked to see the attendance and fan interaction for this team during the season. Its been far worse with much better product in the past. Maybe some of that is due to the basketball success last year but come on. Walters is sinking the program and something needs done now.
Hard to follow your elongated compound adjective. Who was wrong about a problem here, and what was the problem?
I’m a Purdue fan! And you are just an internet bully who lives to call others names!
Wow !!!! you bought a shirt! Wow that went a long way to supporting the NIL
Get real!
One person buying a $20 tshirt is not going to cover the cost of buying a coach out!
Face it. Rather than admitting reality, you’d rather just complain, point fingers and bad mouth others!
You have no solutions of ideas other than firing people! Firing people has proven in the real world to not really be very effective! Look at FORD, GM, Chrysler. And Sears! Firing the GM really worked Turing those companies around! Look at the Jets. They fired the Qb, then the coach, then the GM. That hasn’t worked so who’s next? The owner?
Let’s face it, you don’t come to this board to talk about football. You just come here to read my posts and argue with them. You don’t even put me on ignore. Why? Because you love my posts and look forward to them do you can yell at someone besides your wife. I provide you the entertainment you seek much like reading the comics. You want me to leave but you talk about me when I do!
BBG I own you !
Woleblab is the most narcissistic, insecure, “hey look at me” poster I’ve ever seen on a forum…what a nut job.
No kidding. He has tried to make threads that weren't remotely about him ... all about him ... more than anyone else in history on here. It's not a healthy thing to do either and screams of extreme loneliness.
Purdue doesn't need up-front donor money to buy out a football coach, as long as they hire the right replacement.
IU paid $15.5 million to buy out Tom Allen.
- The buyout was originally $20 million - they negotiated it down to $15.5 million.
- They financed the remainder over 30 years. With interest on the financing? That's about $750k a year X 30 years.
- Buyouts contain 'must look for employment' clauses.
- Future employment offsets the buyout total. Walters is young; he will get a job somewhere. If he makes $250k a year? The net buyout cost is now down to $500k a year.
- IU sold and will continue to sell about 20,000 more seats for each home game this year and next year than they did during Allen's tenure. If face value average is only $50.00 (it's more than that), that's $1 million per home game additional revenue just on tickets.
- Revenue has also been greatly increased for concessions, parking, local businesses, and most importantly, booster donations; all because the team is worth watching.
- Because they are winning, IU was able to substantially raise ticket prices for next year.
Again, all of this is contingent on replacing the fired coach with someone really good, and making a commitment to invest in football facilities, NIL, and the entire staff; not just the head coach. Otherwise, you're paying a big buyout without any of the potential benefits.
For IU? The athletic department fronted the buyout money and it has been an actuarial dream come true for both the university and the community.
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Completely correct.
What is the measure for success next year, because after a likely 1-11 season, the bar is incredibly low. And, if it is W/L record, does going 3-9 next year (beating a couple crappy teams and maybe winning 1 B10 game) show progress?
The fact that we were getting blown out consistently and not even competitive in many games is the biggest KPI of a coach.
That is the issue, if we didnt spend money on tunnels, then our awful football team wouldnt be able to make it to the game and stop the embarrassment for us alumni.
We should be spending money on filling those tunnels to prevent these games from happening.
Yes, I actually think we should fill in the tunnels so our football team cant take the field.
You seriously don’t think the money we spent on the tunnel could have been used better somewhere else ?Yes, I actually think we should fill in the tunnels so our football team cant take the field.
I am making fun of how awful the team is, its a joke. I am saying that we should spend the money to fill in the tunnel so this embarrassment of a team cant take the field.
But honestly I live in AZ, havent been back to Indiana in over 20 years. I watch every game, I root 100% for Purdue, but I dont follow the little things like stadium improvement. I do notice that Purdue fans do a much better job of supporting this awful team than when I was in college during the Colletto years.
If you want a discussion on how our money should be spent, i am not that guy, just dont have the knowledge, I know the sport inside and out though, just a bit detached from Indiana and West Lafayette. Grew up in Ohio, started Purdue in 1990, moved away in 2001. But it seems silly that the spent money on the tunnel sure, but I didnt know that until you mentioned it. I was being sarcastic that is all, not commenting negatively on your comment.
Regardless of who the coach is you are going to have to throw money.
Ok let's say Walters is a moron and should never coach again, why wouldn't you still want to spend money on players? The next coach still needs talent and more talent is going to draw a better class of coaches.
It's money. We've almost never spent money on football like other power schools have.
The one time we did was Brohms extension and the lesson they appeared to have learned was that was meaningless because he just left anyways so they went budget with their next hire.
For all the DEI aholes, there are plenty of black coaches who have head coaching experience, they could have went and gotten one of them. Walters being Black has zero to do with it. Walters being cheap to get did.
Fire or retain Walters, if you aren't going to invest in personnel (coaches and players) then it doesn't matter either way. In the NIL age you get the product you pay for.
Big ten football recruiting rankings. Anyone want to throw this into the ring?
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17
Northwestern
18 Commits
85.73- 0
- 0
- 18
- 18
18
Purdue
12 Commits
86.81- 0
- 1
- 10
I don't think it's about money. If it were, iu wouldn't have just committed $72M to their HC.
This doesn’t fly that easily for me. We have 5-7 win talent and a 1 win coach.
Long term we need investment but why invest next year with a dud coach, dud staff and likely dud players coming back?
Investment in a Ferrari (or even a Chevy) is moot if you put it on square tires and take out the engine.
DEI isn’t why we got Walters but after 5-19…why do we STILL have him?
Theyre two seperate issues. 1) the hire was horrible. We should never bring in a coach who doesnt have a proven track record as a head coach. Theres several they could have hired from the MAC or other mid major. Besides the obvious point of showing you are capable of leading a program to success you can usually bring the coaches you want from your previous job to make the transition smooth. Theres also the benefit of plucking a few players you know are good enough to succeed in the b10. Ideally, your candidate won at two schools as a head coach but thats tough to find. Ultimately, the head coach, assistants, and roster usually come out better when you get a guy like that. 2) money. I think they could have gotten the guy that met the criteria above with the same pay. Assistants....probably not but we arent talking about much more money and the previous coach quit. Its not like we owe him money which makes the walters hire even more infuriating. NIL money is a different subject and we didnt do well with the guys we lost vs guys that came in. Im assuming we could have done better with more NIL money but the staff also did a poor job with the money they did have. I would have rather paid a couple of the guys that left. Having a stud wr and dlineman might have won a couple more games for this staff. Having more NIL is always better but if you didnt hire the correct person it will go to waste.
The only reasonable answer to this is they already have a good plan for assistants. Media said CRW said he already had a guy in mind for OC and they said he was interviewing assistants. Cignetti was hired 11/30 last year and immediately had to build his roster. They need to have their new staff in place on Monday 12/2 or we will be in big trouble with recruiting and retaining players.
we didnt ask our last coach to leave and we didnt hire him and many had speculation about he hire this is on bobinski to fix his mess.
No they aren't but people seem determined to think it's just about getting a good coach as if money doesn't impact that, as if NIL doesn't impact that.
I think people are in denial that money matters because they know we won't spend it and so they need hope that "just go find a Cignetti" is all the answer required.
Wait, but I was told it couldn’t be. Sucks on a football level. But your best hiring pool will come once the revenue sharing is established. You don’t want to be the school who just hired a “ehh” coach the year before you became a much more desirable location. And yes @pboiler18 … I agree that on a purely football level an ehhh coach is massively superior to Walters
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