It was interesting to me to me as I read the Tiller interview how candid he was about Colleto staff problems and Hazell's not being HC material. He certainly didn't pull any punches. To me that makes his continued commitment to Brock Spack being "THE Man" for the HC job all the more interesting and (dare I say) "powerful." Here's the best coach in PU history saying the job isn't too big for Spack; Spack's the ONE guy (being an alum) that can repair the fences with local high school ADs as well as the fan base. He certainly doesn't seem put off by Spack's recent record at Illinois State. I'm not making an argument for hiring Brock Spack ... but certainly Joe Tiller is.
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Problem with Spack is there will be no enthusiasm for the hire and ticket sales will remain pathetic, until and unless he starts to win, which will be hard for him to accomplish with an apathetic fan base.
recruiting is a big issue w/ our program and Spack is not the answer esp. when there are better options.
Another interesting point from the Tiller interview -- he wants NO part of a Les Miles type hire:
"I think if you got a head coach that had a bit of a track record that would be good. I wouldn’t go south because it is a different ball game down there. I don’t think someone from there would succeed because there is a different culture and way they do things down there."
That certainly shoots down an ex-LSU HC.
"I think if you got a head coach that had a bit of a track record that would be good. I wouldn’t go south because it is a different ball game down there. I don’t think someone from there would succeed because there is a different culture and way they do things down there."
That certainly shoots down an ex-LSU HC.
What are deemed as "interesting points" are merely Joe's opinion...nothing more, and nothing less.
First, had he not done a pretty lousy job and just mailed it in at the end of his time at Purdue, things may never have gotten to where they are presently...
Second, his deep involvement in his successor did not help matters either.
It is not like Joe Tiller was high on any list, never mind Purdue's, at the time that he got the job...nor as if what he did was not a different way of doing things.
Finally, I am not tremendously concerned about the opinions or thoughts of a guy who spent more time lecturing the fan base and preaching about the need to manage expectations than he did on doing his job, and doing it well.
Brock Spack is absolutely not the answer...not the answer now, nor moving forward. Nice guy...great player at Purdue...had some great moments as a coach at Purdue...but he is just not the answer for Purdue. Purdue needs someone that has some name recognition and an ability to recruit.
If Brock Spack had never played at Purdue, he never would have coached there...the ONLY reason his name even comes up is because he played/coached at Purdue...if he had not, his name would never even be mentioned, never mind would he be considered.
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Tiller wanted Brock, when we actually hired Hope, so I am not shocked that he would say Brock again.
He isn't the best coach in Purdue history. Mollenkopf is
But what if the "better" options are not interested? If you don't get Les or Fleck, I say go Spack over Calhoun, Holtz, etc. You cannot force people to take the job. We need a coach, find the best guy who wants to be there.
The Illinois State success has NOTHING to do with it? 48-54 in 9 years prior, 62-34 since.
no Miles or Fleck, Calhoun by far is the best option look at his resume who's in a better conference than Ill St. On a side note, are you watching some of the Region guys doing well for WMU?
You don`t like J.T. and the way he coached at Purdue.I did and his opinion about what Purdue needs to be a good football team again is a hell of lot more than your opinion.
Spack isnt my first choice,but I prefer him over Miles.
Spack is not even a choice for me...again, the ONLY reason the guy's name is mentioned is because he played at Purdue which led to him coaching at Purdue. You don't hear his name for any other job, and certainly not for any in the B1G.
I have. Toledo has some as well. Reality is probably none of those guys could have gotten into Purdue.
Not true at all...I loved what he did for Purdue...I did not care for how he finished his time there, nor all of the lectures that he offered to the fans and supporters of the program, and certainly not the one he offered up on managing expectations.
Joe was a very different person when he finished at Purdue than when he arrived, and he was not half the coach either.
His opinion is simply that...his opinion...he was of the opinion that Danny Hope was more than qualified and would succeed, and he could not have been more wrong.
I personally would not want Brock Spack as our next football coach..
However, I do value Joe Tiller'a opinion.
Whoever can get us back to national relevance (whether it be Les Miles, PJ Fleck, Brock Spack, hell even Darrell Hazell's closet of vests) will be fine by me. Whoever it is, this next hire has to produce. I will try and only find the positives, because what's the point in looking at the negatives all the time? We've already dealt with enough as a fan base the last decade. Boiler up
However, I do value Joe Tiller'a opinion.
Whoever can get us back to national relevance (whether it be Les Miles, PJ Fleck, Brock Spack, hell even Darrell Hazell's closet of vests) will be fine by me. Whoever it is, this next hire has to produce. I will try and only find the positives, because what's the point in looking at the negatives all the time? We've already dealt with enough as a fan base the last decade. Boiler up
Again, Spack would be a clear sign to me we're fine being mediorocre. The national press would lambast us or laugh at us - if they noticed at all.
If we are serious about making a step function change, we need a successful FBS coach. No assistants, no FCS.
I have nothing against Spack personally. He wants to coach here? Go get a FBS job and prove yourself there.
If we are serious about making a step function change, we need a successful FBS coach. No assistants, no FCS.
I have nothing against Spack personally. He wants to coach here? Go get a FBS job and prove yourself there.
How could you be so crazy as to suggest that PU's all-time winningest coach might actually know more the "knuckleheads" on this board about what coach might be successful at PU in the future?!
On top that, Tiller's a bum for "mailing in" his last couple years anyway!
The term "knuckleheads" may have never been better demonstrated than by the delusional responses, above, to this thread.
Yes, Tiller's opinion is just that, it's Tiller's opinion. (Deep stuff.) Just like your opinion is, your opinion. But that's not really the point.
The point is, Tiller's opinion is based on experience, knowledge and wisdom -- so hopefully MB2 considers Tiller's opinion. On the other hand, your opinion isn't worth squat.
That's the point, and the difference between your opinion and Tiller's.
I don't disagree with your overall point but to think Tiller's opinion isn't also informed by strong feelings toward his own personal staff and more importantly some perceived injustices with the administration is naive. He knows more than I'll ever know about football but to think he has a completely unbiased opinion is false.
I love Tiller and everything he did for our school. But I don't give him carte blanch to decide our next football hire.
I'll grant you that. JT may be biased here, even he doesn't realize it. So let MB2 be the judge of that, and all the other info that must be processed to make this tough call.
I'll support whoever MB2 picks, although if it's Calhoun, that could led me to question MB2.
Only calhoun?
And Is that because you do not want his offense and don't think he would make any changes?
I would be fine with Calhoun. He's not a flashy hire but he's one of those guys that wouldn't make me write off Purdue football.
Calhoun isn't flashy but a Hell of a better "option" than Spack, Olson or Holtz
I loved Joe Tiller and what he has done for the University. That said, his opinion is just that an opinion. Purdue's football situation has been in shambles for a few years now and can no longer continue gambling on a name with not much to back it with. This hire has to be the right hire or that stadium will remain an abyss and may as well close down football operations altogether like Marquette University did back in the 60's.
I mean would we expect Tiller to recommend anyone else? Brock was one of his guys so of course he would recommend him. I mean if you had some gunning for a job you used to have, wouldn't you recommend someone you had a good working relationship with?
I don't think JT would recommend Spack if he didn't think Spack would be highly successfully at Purdue. That said, clearly JT has an affinity for Spack and maybe he hasn't fully evaluated others.
If MB2 goes with Calhoun, it would make me think he's bought into the triple option being the way to go for schools with significant academic requirements, like the service academies, Georgia Tech, and Purdue. IMO, triple option would shelve PU's only competitive advantage, which is "cradle of QBs" tradition.
Said it before and it's still true. If Spack was worth a damn he'd be in the P5 right now. Love and respect both he and Joe for their contributions but it's 2016. Fresh start.
WMU QB is from freakin Homestead in Ft Wayne. 3086 yds, 30 TD, 1 INT this year. 11,653 yds, 93 TD, 28 INT for his career. That's a better career than Drew Brees, numbers wise. Incredible.
IMO, Spack would be Purdue's Frank Beamer. I can see, however, that reasonable people could see it otherwise and disagree. What I can't see, and strongly disagree with, is this idea that Spack would have already been hired by another P5 school if he was any good.
