Doyle is a deuche!
He works for the IU Star. What would you expect?Doyle is a deuche!
I'm no fan of Greg Doyle's work, but in fairness to him, I think he's grinding his axe on this because of Beilein wanting to preclude Beilfeldt from going to the school of his choice. As evidence by this quote early on: "Oh, and he can’t go to Indiana either. That’s where this story went sideways in 2015..." From what I remember of the Matt Roth situation, there was no meddling by Crean trying to lobby where he could or couldn't go, so that is a pretty key difference in the situations. Beilfeldt was on scholarship for 4 years and finished his undergrad degree on schedule, so I don't really see why the school should be obligated to pay for his grad school and give him a roster spot soley based on him having a year of eligibility left. Same goes for Crean and not asking Roth back for a 5th year on the roster after he completed his undergrad. There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at Crean, I just don't think this is one of them.the IU Star doing an article about how UM got rid of Biefelt.... Why don't they look at the program down the road that got rid of Matt Roth, Ron Patterson, etc.... What a rag.
Ok... Keep drinking the cool aid... And it was about IU also, that's where he goes.Doyle writes an article about UM and all you focus on is that they're not writing one on IU? I thought some of you guys complained that the star writes (too) much stuff about IU.
I'm confused, which is it?
Matt and Max's situations are completely different in how their coaches treated them. Ron Patterson, no one to blame but him that he is not at IU.
How are the situations different?Doyle writes an article about UM and all you focus on is that they're not writing one on IU? I thought some of you guys complained that the star writes (too) much stuff about IU.
I'm confused, which is it?
Matt and Max's situations are completely different in how their coaches treated them. Ron Patterson, no one to blame but him that he is not at IU.
How are the situations different?
Both players wanted to return for another year and both coaches decided to go with younger players who they felt would be more beneficial for the future of the team.
The only difference I see is that IU fans were mad about the Roth situation and the Michigan fans could have cared less about losing Max.
Ok... Keep drinking the cool aid... And it was about IU also, that's where he goes.
How are the situations different?
Both players wanted to return for another year and both coaches decided to go with younger players who they felt would be more beneficial for the future of the team.
The only difference I see is that IU fans were mad about the Roth situation and the Michigan fans could have cared less about losing Max.
Point of order, didn't Roth finish his undergrad in 3 years and was just wanting a fourth year, not a fifth? It would have been for graduate work I agree. Other than that, I think you're spot on.I'm no fan of Greg Doyle's work, but in fairness to him, I think he's grinding his axe on this because of Beilein wanting to preclude Beilfeldt from going to the school of his choice. As evidence by this quote early on: "Oh, and he can’t go to Indiana either. That’s where this story went sideways in 2015..." From what I remember of the Matt Roth situation, there was no meddling by Crean trying to lobby where he could or couldn't go, so that is a pretty key difference in the situations. Beilfeldt was on scholarship for 4 years and finished his undergrad degree on schedule, so I don't really see why the school should be obligated to pay for his grad school and give him a roster spot soley based on him having a year of eligibility left. Same goes for Crean and not asking Roth back for a 5th year on the roster after he completed his undergrad. There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at Crean, I just don't think this is one of them.
I went back to the IU roster to check... Roth joined the team for IU's woefully bad 6-win season in 08/09 and his last year on the roster was 11/12. So like Beifeldt at UM, he was on the team on scholarship for years but only played during 3 of them. So in that regard, their situations are nearly identical, save for Roth doing the 3-yr undergrad track and already completing (presumably) 1 graduate degree during his 4-th year on the team.Point of order, didn't Roth finish his undergrad in 3 years and was just wanting a fourth year, not a fifth? It would have been for graduate work I agree. Other than that, I think you're spot on.
I'm not complaining the article wasn't about Matt Roth. I'm complaining that there is an article at all. With the stars bias toward IU, they should have left matters rest. Complaining about UM doing that to MB sounds very hypocritical.There is no Kool-Aid, if you knew anything about me you'd know I'm not a Crean guy. My point of the post was you were complaining the article didn't talk about IU and Matt Roth, no?
I stand corrected, thanks for doing the leg work. I guess he did do the undergrad in 3, and had 1 year of a grad degree that he was working on, so he got his 4 years of education paid for.I went back to the IU roster to check... Roth joined the team for IU's woefully bad 6-win season in 08/09 and his last year on the roster was 11/12. So like Beifeldt at UM, he was on the team on scholarship for years but only played during 3 of them. So in that regard, their situations are nearly identical, save for Roth doing the 3-yr undergrad track and already completing (presumably) 1 graduate degree during his 4-th year on the team.
I'm not complaining the article wasn't about Matt Roth. I'm complaining that there is an article at all. With the stars bias toward IU, they should have left matters rest. Complaining about UM doing that to MB sounds very hypocritical.