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the IU Star doing an article about how UM got rid of Biefelt.... Why don't they look at the program down the road that got rid of Matt Roth, Ron Patterson, etc.... What a rag.

 
Doyle is a deuche!

Actually he's the best thing the Indy Star has as it pertains to sports. He will hold Crean accountable when the time comes but I don't think he was in tune with the Indy sports scene when most of the aforementioned Creanings took place.
 
the IU Star doing an article about how UM got rid of Biefelt.... Why don't they look at the program down the road that got rid of Matt Roth, Ron Patterson, etc.... What a rag.
I'm no fan of Greg Doyle's work, but in fairness to him, I think he's grinding his axe on this because of Beilein wanting to preclude Beilfeldt from going to the school of his choice. As evidence by this quote early on: "Oh, and he can’t go to Indiana either. That’s where this story went sideways in 2015..." From what I remember of the Matt Roth situation, there was no meddling by Crean trying to lobby where he could or couldn't go, so that is a pretty key difference in the situations. Beilfeldt was on scholarship for 4 years and finished his undergrad degree on schedule, so I don't really see why the school should be obligated to pay for his grad school and give him a roster spot soley based on him having a year of eligibility left. Same goes for Crean and not asking Roth back for a 5th year on the roster after he completed his undergrad. There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at Crean, I just don't think this is one of them.
 
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Doyle writes an article about UM and all you focus on is that they're not writing one on IU? I thought some of you guys complained that the star writes (too) much stuff about IU.

I'm confused, which is it?

Matt and Max's situations are completely different in how their coaches treated them. Ron Patterson, no one to blame but him that he is not at IU.
 
Doyle writes an article about UM and all you focus on is that they're not writing one on IU? I thought some of you guys complained that the star writes (too) much stuff about IU.

I'm confused, which is it?

Matt and Max's situations are completely different in how their coaches treated them. Ron Patterson, no one to blame but him that he is not at IU.
Ok... Keep drinking the cool aid... And it was about IU also, that's where he goes.
 
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Doyle writes an article about UM and all you focus on is that they're not writing one on IU? I thought some of you guys complained that the star writes (too) much stuff about IU.

I'm confused, which is it?

Matt and Max's situations are completely different in how their coaches treated them. Ron Patterson, no one to blame but him that he is not at IU.
How are the situations different?
Both players wanted to return for another year and both coaches decided to go with younger players who they felt would be more beneficial for the future of the team.
The only difference I see is that IU fans were mad about the Roth situation and the Michigan fans could have cared less about losing Max.
 
How are the situations different?
Both players wanted to return for another year and both coaches decided to go with younger players who they felt would be more beneficial for the future of the team.
The only difference I see is that IU fans were mad about the Roth situation and the Michigan fans could have cared less about losing Max.

That's a pretty straightforward analysis and I have to say, probably a very accurate description of what happened.
 
Ok... Keep drinking the cool aid... And it was about IU also, that's where he goes.

There is no Kool-Aid, if you knew anything about me you'd know I'm not a Crean guy. My point of the post was you were complaining the article didn't talk about IU and Matt Roth, no?
 
How are the situations different?
Both players wanted to return for another year and both coaches decided to go with younger players who they felt would be more beneficial for the future of the team.
The only difference I see is that IU fans were mad about the Roth situation and the Michigan fans could have cared less about losing Max.

Different in how the coaches handled it... so the Michigan fans wanted to keep Max?
 
I'm no fan of Greg Doyle's work, but in fairness to him, I think he's grinding his axe on this because of Beilein wanting to preclude Beilfeldt from going to the school of his choice. As evidence by this quote early on: "Oh, and he can’t go to Indiana either. That’s where this story went sideways in 2015..." From what I remember of the Matt Roth situation, there was no meddling by Crean trying to lobby where he could or couldn't go, so that is a pretty key difference in the situations. Beilfeldt was on scholarship for 4 years and finished his undergrad degree on schedule, so I don't really see why the school should be obligated to pay for his grad school and give him a roster spot soley based on him having a year of eligibility left. Same goes for Crean and not asking Roth back for a 5th year on the roster after he completed his undergrad. There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at Crean, I just don't think this is one of them.
Point of order, didn't Roth finish his undergrad in 3 years and was just wanting a fourth year, not a fifth? It would have been for graduate work I agree. Other than that, I think you're spot on.
 
Point of order, didn't Roth finish his undergrad in 3 years and was just wanting a fourth year, not a fifth? It would have been for graduate work I agree. Other than that, I think you're spot on.
I went back to the IU roster to check... Roth joined the team for IU's woefully bad 6-win season in 08/09 and his last year on the roster was 11/12. So like Beifeldt at UM, he was on the team on scholarship for years but only played during 3 of them. So in that regard, their situations are nearly identical, save for Roth doing the 3-yr undergrad track and already completing (presumably) 1 graduate degree during his 4-th year on the team.
 
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There is no Kool-Aid, if you knew anything about me you'd know I'm not a Crean guy. My point of the post was you were complaining the article didn't talk about IU and Matt Roth, no?
I'm not complaining the article wasn't about Matt Roth. I'm complaining that there is an article at all. With the stars bias toward IU, they should have left matters rest. Complaining about UM doing that to MB sounds very hypocritical.
 
I went back to the IU roster to check... Roth joined the team for IU's woefully bad 6-win season in 08/09 and his last year on the roster was 11/12. So like Beifeldt at UM, he was on the team on scholarship for years but only played during 3 of them. So in that regard, their situations are nearly identical, save for Roth doing the 3-yr undergrad track and already completing (presumably) 1 graduate degree during his 4-th year on the team.
I stand corrected, thanks for doing the leg work. I guess he did do the undergrad in 3, and had 1 year of a grad degree that he was working on, so he got his 4 years of education paid for.
 
I'm not complaining the article wasn't about Matt Roth. I'm complaining that there is an article at all. With the stars bias toward IU, they should have left matters rest. Complaining about UM doing that to MB sounds very hypocritical.

Gotcha... I rarely go to the Star website anymore because it has so much pop up garbage on it and some video streams in the background that I can't seem to even find and being an IT guy, that annoys the daylights out of me.

Personally I'm glad we have Max and Michigan doesn't.
 
Often 5th year students are forced to move to a university that will accept them into their graduate program. It is an academic issue. It has nothing to do with whether the basketball program wants them back or not. That was the situation that Jon Octeus found himself in. His team wanted him back, but there was no graduate program he could attend, so he went to Purdue. It is not always about the coach.

That said, I think the aspect of the IU Star accusing UM of throwing out Max was hypocritical at best. That is the thing that bothered me. Hey, it happens to many programs. However, IU has been one of the leaders in that sort of treatment of basketball athletes over the recent years. Justified or not, Creaning has come to mean exactly that. For the Star to accuse UM of it seemed strange to us fellows up north. For one thing, I understood Max left UM on good terms with coach and players. I did not get the impression he was "Creaned". I think the issue here is the poor journalism and misrepresentation of Max's situation, especially in light of several similar and more controversial situations surrounding IU.

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After watching the journey episode, it didn't seem like he had any ill feelings to Michigan at all.
Although I'm sure he enjoyed the outcome of that game
 
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