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The protests have begun.

Our economy is actively going to a recession. I don't understand why this isn't a bipartisan issue to do whatever it takes to avoid that. All of these other arguments feel like red herrings to avoid discussing what is going on.
 
So they did round up a few tokens. Good for them. They can feel even better about themselves.

Too bad you couldn't attend.
 
We spend money on defense for countries all over the world. We do that for many reasons, notably because it's in our economic and national security interests. You can disagree but the long term results have been pretty good.
That's why we need to pull out of NATO. Those EU countries have the wealth and resources to defend themselves. We need to focus upon Iran and its proxies (Gaza, Syria, Yemen) and China.
 
That's why we need to pull out of NATO. Those EU countries have the wealth and resources to defend themselves. We need to focus upon Iran and its proxies (Gaza, Syria, Yemen) and China.
That would be bad for our national security, and bad for our economy.

What would be better? What Trump's goal has been; get our NATO allies to pay their fair share. The U.S. cannot expect them to pay more than their share, but a share commensurate with the resources expended, the cost of each nation's security, and a cost based on GPD? Yes.
 
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Now is the time to be a buyer in the stock market if you have availability to....Do So.
I hope I didn't wait too long to possibly roll over some IRA. EArlier today I saw the two markets I care about were up a little. I think Wednesday there may be more tariffs? Oops only the nasdaq was up a little and the S&P was still down a little. Yeah, those that have some extra money might consider buying...or wait until after Wednesday?
 
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It wasn't without harm though. What you may not have noticed when the ships landed were those protesters against the insurrection of the previous November running up and down the river chasing ducks in the water...some with their mother. That too never hit the movie inside the J6 production.
I should add that many were armed with canes that they tapped on the ground to add to the fright!
 
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So after 75 years as slackers, they're now going to start paying their fair share.
Yeah, because the USSR and the iron curtain were no big deal.

And those slackers came to our defense after 9/11, sent troops that died in Afghanistan. But F 'em.
 
Yeah, because the USSR and the iron curtain were no big deal.

And those slackers came to our defense after 9/11, sent troops that died in Afghanistan. But F 'em.
Do you think an agreement that has not been upheld since WW2 and only put in place to help those countries at the time should not be sought to finally have them do what they should have been doing for decades costing the USA a LOT of money at the taxpayers expense? Trump started this in his first administration and moved the needle a bit amongst the many attacking him on russia and other things. Pushing them to uphold their agreement is great even while forgetting the backpay they never made.
 
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Yeah, because the USSR and the iron curtain were no big deal.

And those slackers came to our defense after 9/11, sent troops that died in Afghanistan. But F 'em.
The iron curtain came down 36 years ago. I was in West Germany when it happened. My CO liked to joke "The only way the Russian Army is coming through the Fulda Gap is if we send some buses to East Berlin, load up the Russian troops and bring them to Munich for Octoberfest."
 
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They have been going on for awhile but are now starting to take hold. There's more to come.

Trump isn't going to stand for it. That is, if he can actually understand what's going on.........or we can understand him.

this twitter post "apparently" is quoting an interview from 2020 during the George Floyd protests - you know that time when people burned down city blocks of small businesses and politicians & celebrities like Kamala Harris raised funds to keep those arrested from prosecution.
 
The iron curtain came down 36 years ago. I was in West Germany when it happened. My CO liked to joke "The only way the Russian Army is coming through the Fulda Gap is if we send some buses to East Berlin, load up the Russian troops and bring them to Munich for Octoberfest."
I liked Berlin, but was perplexed while walking along a road and seeing a tank that was neither the USA or Germany only to find out that it was Russian in front of a Russian grave site...in WEST GERMANY.
 
Do you think an agreement that has not been upheld since WW2 and only put in place to help those countries at the time should not be sought to finally have them do what they should have been doing for decades costing the USA a LOT of money at the taxpayers expense? Trump started this in his first administration and moved the needle a bit amongst the many attacking him on russia and other things. Pushing them to uphold their agreement is great even while forgetting the backpay they never made.
THERE IS NO BACKPAY!!!!!
They don't owe us any money.
You idiots STILL don't seem to understand how NATO funding works.
You, who constantly claims non MAGAs believe what they're told, simply believes what trump tells you. Who, by the way, has stiffed contractors as a normal business practice his entire career.

Is your rambling post referring to Article 5? It was put in place to deter Soviet expansion.......and it has worked pretty damn well.

See, the thinking was that since we had fought in two world wars in Europe and lost more than a half million men, maybe it would be a good idea to make friends of our enemies and form an alliance to try and keep it from happening again. But you already know that. You just ignore it.
 
THERE IS NO BACKPAY!!!!!
They don't owe us any money.
You idiots STILL don't seem to understand how NATO funding works.
You, who constantly claims non MAGAs believe what they're told, simply believes what trump tells you. Who, by the way, has stiffed contractors as a normal business practice his entire career.

Is your rambling post referring to Article 5? It was put in place to deter Soviet expansion.......and it has worked pretty damn well.

See, the thinking was that since we had fought in two world wars in Europe and lost more than a half million men, maybe it would be a good idea to make friends of our enemies and form an alliance to try and keep it from happening again. But you already know that. You just ignore it.
Calm down Bob, you are always on the edge of blowing a head gasket. Of course there is "no Backpay" that was just added to point out this has went on for years. Bob, history knows the reason behind NATO, but that has nothing to do with them not keeping their agreed percent for defense. Instead, the taxpayers in the USA have carried them for years and they were capable of taking care of themselves. Maybe Patton should have went after the Russians like he wanted? ;)

Still, true to form you are incapable of not labeling someone who wrote the truth that disagrees with your views by group labeling such as "you, who and you idiots" when in fact I'm better known as arrogant a$$ as a result of my truth and knowledge, that like so many others, has you lash out at them personally with your lack of understanding in so many areas. Perhaps you noticed I stay away from carpentry? Perhaps there are many other areas you lack the knowledge in the appropriate domain rather than getting ruffled and lashing out at those that hold republican views that you never advance even though you say you are a republican. Medicine has been known to help people...
 
are you shorting the market?
Nope, don’t play market games. Just dollar cost averaging.

Regardless. We’ll see. A good day because trump is appearing that he might revert the policy doesn’t mean much until it comes into fruition and he actually does it. If he does, then that would be great!
 
Nope, don’t play market games. Just dollar cost averaging.

Regardless. We’ll see. A good day because trump is appearing that he might revert the policy doesn’t mean much until it comes into fruition and he actually does it. If he does, then that would be great!
Well wait....I thought you said we were entering a recession? Are you retracting that statement?
How confident are you about that ?

So, are you saying that even if we are entering a recession, you'll still DCA?
 
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Well wait....I thought you said we were entering a recession? Are you retracting that statement? How confident are you about that ?

So, are you saying that even if we are entering a recession, you'll still DCA?
We are. But policies can help avert it, of course. That's what I meant when I said averting the recession is a bipartisan issue. Like if we don't squeeze small businesses that rely on foreign manufacturing with tariffs, that would be great for helping to avoid a recession. The current administration yesterday made it seem like that was not going to be in the cards, though.

And I will always dollar cost average in index funds/mutual funds regardless of the political/economic climate. That's my investing rule that I won't break.
 
We are. But policies can help avert it, of course. That's what I meant when I said averting the recession is a bipartisan issue. Like if we don't squeeze small businesses that rely on foreign manufacturing with tariffs, that would be great for helping to avoid a recession. The current administration yesterday made it seem like that was not going to be in the cards, though.

And I will always dollar cost average in index funds/mutual funds regardless of the political/economic climate. That's my investing rule that I won't break.
Just remember, Don't Jump whatever happens.
 
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We are. But policies can help avert it, of course. That's what I meant when I said averting the recession is a bipartisan issue. Like if we don't squeeze small businesses that rely on foreign manufacturing with tariffs, that would be great for helping to avoid a recession. The current administration yesterday made it seem like that was not going to be in the cards, though.

And I will always dollar cost average in index funds/mutual funds regardless of the political/economic climate. That's my investing rule that I won't break.
You argument is weak. First you say we’re entering a recession. Then you say that policy changes can help avoid a recession?
So, which is it? Yes, no, or maybe?
 
You argument is weak. First you say we’re entering a recession. Then you say that policy changes can help avoid a recession?
So, which is it? Yes, no, or maybe?
The single largest problem with Trump viewed through the eyes of the libs is that they see someone so different than they are used to seeing. He is a business person much more than a politician and those in the government are people that generally have less business experience and so everything he does is so foreign to them and past practices and the uncharted waters they have no desire or previous data for understanding. As stated many times, they take him literally when they shouldn't and figuratively when they should take him literally.

The myopic view of whatever the turmoil of the day created, is dwarfed by the larger scale results. Nobody that reads this has ever seen so much fraud revealed that is being corrected, violent illegals and their influence removed due to the libs open borders, trying to correct other countries overdue defense increased while trying to change the economics of global trading along with tax changes. Quite simply, it is astounding the huge things that are being addressed that will result in positive things hopefully in our lives and the transparency in all. Why would anyone be against the efforts unless...
 
The single largest problem with Trump viewed through the eyes of the libs is that they see someone so different than they are used to seeing. He is a business person much more than a politician and those in the government are people that generally have less business experience and so everything he does is so foreign to them and past practices and the uncharted waters they have no desire or previous data for understanding. As stated many times, they take him literally when they shouldn't and figuratively when they should take him literally.

The myopic view of whatever the turmoil of the day created, is dwarfed by the larger scale results. Nobody that reads this has ever seen so much fraud revealed that is being corrected, violent illegals and their influence removed due to the libs open borders, trying to correct other countries overdue defense increased while trying to change the economics of global trading along with tax changes. Quite simply, it is astounding the huge things that are being addressed that will result in positive things hopefully in our lives and the transparency in all. Why would anyone be against the efforts unless...
Unless you’re a democrat and would rather see the country fail than to give Trump credit.
 
Guess I was correct on buying the market earlier this week. Who would have thought one should buy when the market is in panic mode. Lol
Buy low, sell high, works every time.
Potentially. I don’t think we are out of the woods yet, though. Those Chinese tariffs are a huge deal. Anecdotally, I have a family member that is likely to lose his business over them. Granted I think he would be someone who Trump would say is “weak.” Just inherently, the Chinese tariffs are going to have big ramifications in the us that will at least start out very negative.

Also, the only reason it has gone up is because Trump partially paused the tariffs, not because of any accomplished victory with them. If he keeps them going in 90 days, it’ll just keep dropping.
 
Potentially. I don’t think we are out of the woods yet, though. Those Chinese tariffs are a huge deal. Anecdotally, I have a family member that is likely to lose his business over them. Granted I think he would be someone who Trump would say is “weak.” Just inherently, the Chinese tariffs are going to have big ramifications in the us that will at least start out very negative.

Also, the only reason it has gone up is because Trump partially paused the tariffs, not because of any accomplished victory with them. If he keeps them going in 90 days, it’ll just keep dropping.

Actually if one would have bought when I said, and then sold at the end of the day it went up.....I think the S&P would have yielded a ~ 10% return.
 
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