The policy is based on a lie

[Katscratch]

There's genocide going on in South Africa silly. Haven't you heard?

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Oh! Silly me; I had not heard that.

So, the appropriate practice is to fly State Department planes into nations where there is genocide and transport rich people out so that they can claim asylum?

I found this article on "white genocide in South Africa." Yes, the article is from 2018, but it appears to be the start of the identification of this apparently critical issue!

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/racist-obsession-south-african-white-genocide

The article and the vital nature of the situation was identified by notably "NOT A RACIST-REALLY!" Tucker Carlson, and emphasized by:

• Andrew Anglin, the operator of the notoriously racist and anti-Semitic website Daily Stormer, was one of the first to promote Trump’s statement. Lamenting that the “crisis” was not covered by the mainstream media, Anglin claimed on his site that the presidential tweet was a sign of change: “You see there is this gigantic man. His name is Donald Trump, and he is the President of the United States of America."
• Patrick Casey, leader of Identity Evropa, one of the most active alt right groups, excitedly tweeted that conservatives would now become aware “of the plight of White South Africans” and that it would move them from “acceptable” debate over immigration towards identitarianism (a white supremacist philosophy).
• Popular alt right commentator Nicholas Fuentes tweeted that “White identity is entering the mainstream and there’s literally nothing you can do about it.”

And then tweeted by then-President Donald J Turmperoonie!

So for the clarification of me and @bonefish1 , is this issue, when promoted by Nick Fuentes, Andrew Anglin, Tucky Carlson, Patrick Casey, and Donald Drumpf, the kind of thing that is true discrimination? After all, unlike people from shithole countries, some of these fine people from both sides are willing to perform humanitarian efforts and direct US taxpayer money without bias just because they're really wealthy and white. BRING BACK DEI TO INSURE WE HAVE ENOUGH SOUTH AFRICAN WHITE FARMERS IN THE USA!!

 

[bonefish1]

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I know you said you may not take any more questions, but on behalf of @bonefish1 and me, we're not satisfied yet; answer this:

Say there's 50-100 really rich, white, South African citizen friends of Elon Musk who want to move to the US without waiting their turn by going through the actual immigration process.

And say those rich friends of Elon Musk claim that they're being discriminated against.

Should the US Government pay for a private luxury plane to go to South Africa and fly them to the USA so that they can then claim asylum?

That's exactly what happened; me and bonefish want to know if that is acceptable.

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I see nothing wrong with this.
Can e also get some refugess from Norway? How about Sweden?

And was the number really 59? Damn....that's a little over 1 per state. Hope we can manage.

This is going to be very confusing for the African American crowd.....

 

[BB62]

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Oh! Silly me; I had not heard that.

So, the appropriate practice is to fly State Department planes into nations where there is genocide and transport rich people out so that they can claim asylum?

I found this article on "white genocide in South Africa." Yes, the article is from 2018, but it appears to be the start of the identification of this apparently critical issue!

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/racist-obsession-south-african-white-genocide

The article and the vital nature of the situation was identified by notably "NOT A RACIST-REALLY!" Tucker Carlson, and emphasized by:

• Andrew Anglin, the operator of the notoriously racist and anti-Semitic website Daily Stormer, was one of the first to promote Trump’s statement. Lamenting that the “crisis” was not covered by the mainstream media, Anglin claimed on his site that the presidential tweet was a sign of change: “You see there is this gigantic man. His name is Donald Trump, and he is the President of the United States of America."
• Patrick Casey, leader of Identity Evropa, one of the most active alt right groups, excitedly tweeted that conservatives would now become aware “of the plight of White South Africans” and that it would move them from “acceptable” debate over immigration towards identitarianism (a white supremacist philosophy).
• Popular alt right commentator Nicholas Fuentes tweeted that “White identity is entering the mainstream and there’s literally nothing you can do about it.”

And then tweeted by then-President Donald J Turmperoonie!

So for the clarification of me and @bonefish1 , is this issue, when promoted by Nick Fuentes, Andrew Anglin, Tucky Carlson, Patrick Casey, and Donald Drumpf, the kind of thing that is true discrimination? After all, unlike people from shithole countries, some of these fine people from both sides are willing to perform humanitarian efforts and direct US taxpayer money without bias just because they're really wealthy and white. BRING BACK DEI TO INSURE WE HAVE ENOUGH SOUTH AFRICAN WHITE FARMERS IN THE USA!!

Trump said it. Must be true. I guess this is one of the times we're supposed to pay attention to what he says AND does.

 

[BB62]

I see nothing wrong with this.
Can e also get some refugess from Norway? How about Sweden?

And was the number really 59? Damn....that's a little over 1 per state. Hope we can manage.

This is going to be very confusing for the African American crowd.....

Yeah, just say the racist part out loud. Good boy. Embrace it.

 

[Boilermaker03]

The messenger is irrelevant if the information is true.

Trump has conditioned you otherwise..........to focus on the source rather than the content of what the media writes.

Since you said zero about the facts of the article, I assume you are not questioning them and are simply deflecting.

Do you take issue with the facts?

That's great. I've often said the same things. Problem is, I am pretty certain the information is not true. Not in it's totality. That's how most of the MSM works. They always leave out key details to push their narrative.

 

[Boilermaker03]

They don't. They just want the law to be followed to get them out.
Talking to walls.

What law isn't being followed?

 

[Boilermaker03]

No because it's a lie. Your argument is based on what republicans tell you. Blackburn and Scalise? Because they said something you simply believe it.

I gave you link after link that proved they are lying.

An encounter is a freakin encounter. It's when they engage someone at the border. The bill says "encounters". Read it yourself

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/4361/text

Bob... here's where you're ability to process information and come to a reasonable conclusion fails you. The bill didn't explicitly say that they would allow 5,000 to cross before shutting the border down. All it says are 5,000 encounters. The problem here is that it leaves a lot to interpretation. All you had to do is look at what the Biden administration had been doing (allowing people to flow in like mosquitoes through a chain link fence) and come to the conclusion that anytime a Democrat was in office, that is exactly what they were going to allow. What's worse is that at that point we would have nothing we can do to complain about it because it would have been the law.

Trump has done nothing more than uphold current law and there's been a massive reduction in crossings. That's how we know we didn't need that bill.

So the next time a Democrat is in office and illegals flow through wildly, are you going to use your brain and hold them accountable since it's been demonstrated that we have the laws on the books that we need already?

 

[Boilermaker03]

There's genocide going on in South Africa silly. Haven't you heard?

Are you making a joke?

 

[Boilermaker03]

Trump said it. Must be true. I guess this is one of the times we're supposed to pay attention to what he says AND does.

View embedded media

I'm still unsure as to what you're quibble is with his statement. Are you saying that he's lying because of the word genocide? Are you denying that farmers in South Africa are being murdered at a high rate? What is your issue here?

 

[tjreese]

Bob... here's where you're ability to process information and come to a reasonable conclusion fails you. The bill didn't explicitly say that they would allow 5,000 to cross before shutting the border down. All it says are 5,000 encounters. The problem here is that it leaves a lot to interpretation. All you had to do is look at what the Biden administration had been doing (allowing people to flow in like mosquitoes through a chain link fence) and come to the conclusion that anytime a Democrat was in office, that is exactly what they were going to allow. What's worse is that at that point we would have nothing we can do to complain about it because it would have been the law.

Trump has done nothing more than uphold current law and there's been a massive reduction in crossings. That's how we know we didn't need that bill.

So the next time a Democrat is in office and illegals flow through wildly, are you going to use your brain and hold them accountable since it's been demonstrated that we have the laws on the books that we need already?

Continuing as you are brings about future declarations of dodging and misdirection. Travel at your own discretion and time availability.

 

[BB62]

What law isn't being followed?

This has been answered here over and over. If you're gonna jump in once a week you need to read the threads all the way through.

You guys are real good at pointing out the laws about not letting people in and also at ignoring the rules for getting them out.

 

[BB62]

I'm still unsure as to what you're quibble is with his statement. Are you saying that he's lying because of the word genocide? Are you denying that farmers in South Africa are being murdered at a high rate? What is your issue here?

Yes, I'm taking issue with using the word "genocide" to describe the situation. It's complete hyperbole to justify skirting the rules to bring some white folks here while making up the rules to get people of color out.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Yes, I'm taking issue with using the word "genocide" to describe the situation. It's complete hyperbole to justify skirting the rules to bring some white folks here while making up the rules get people of color out.

So when a group is killed at a rate over 4 times the national rate it can't be called genocide?

Murders of white farmers trigger demonstrations across South Africa

Thousands of South Africans have taken to the streets to demand government action over violent attacks on farmers, a predominantly white and elderly group that

www.thetimes.com

"Thousands of South Africans have taken to the streets to demand government action over violent attacks on farmers, a predominantly white and elderly group that are four and a half times more likely to be murdered than average citizens."

 

[BB62]

So when a group is killed at a rate over 4 times the national rate it can't be called genocide?

You can call it whatever you want, doesn't make it accurate. Rwanda was genocide. The holocaust, the Khmer Rouge were genocide.

These South Africans are going to get expedited citizenship. Why is that? There are hundreds of thousands people who came here legally, paid their taxes, kept their noses clean and yet can't get citizenship.

 

[Quix0te]

So when a group is killed at a rate over 4 times the national rate it can't be called genocide?

"Terrorism" is probably a more accurate description. Since aparthied ended, blacks have been targeting whites because they are white.

 

[Boilermaker03]

"Terrorism" is probably a more accurate description. Since aparthied ended, blacks have been targeting whites because they are white.

I'd agree. I'm just pointing out that the definition of genocide is not very far off from what is happening. May not meet the criteria 100%, but it's quibbling on minutia to say that someone is flat out lying by calling it that.

 

[Boilermaker03]

You can call it whatever you want, doesn't make it accurate. Rwanda was genocide. The holocaust, the Khmer Rouge were genocide.

These South Africans are going to get expedited citizenship. Why is that? There are hundreds of thousands people who came here legally, paid their taxes, kept their noses clean and yet can't get citizenship.

I don't know why they are getting expedited citizenship. I haven't looked into it that much because I don't think it's a big deal like the media is making it out to be.

Saying genocide is easier than saying killed at an extremely high rate. It's a lazy way to get a point across.

 

[BB62]

I don't know why they are getting expedited citizenship. I haven't looked into it that much because I don't think it's a big deal like the media is making it out to be.

Saying genocide is easier than saying killed at an extremely high rate. It's a lazy way to get a point across.

You don't know why they are getting expedited citizenship but you're sure it isn't a big deal because the media is covering it.

Nearly every one of your posts include a media reference. In this one you're actually drawing a conclusion only because the media is covering it.

 

[BB62]

That's great. I've often said the same things. Problem is, I am pretty certain the information is not true. Not in it's totality. That's how most of the MSM works. They always leave out key details to push their narrative.

So your preconceptions of the media are driving your position here too.

You're "pretty sure" the info isn't true because the media "always leave out key details", not because you've looked into it.

Don't you see how your view of the media actually prevents you from looking into stories and seeing if they're true? Talk about lazy. Call the stories lies and move on. No effort required. While at the same time you post YouTube videos from some jackleg who has no credibility and treat their words as facts. Do you see any problem here?

 

[Boilermaker03]

You don't know why they are getting expedited citizenship but you're sure it isn't a big deal because the media is covering it.

Nearly every one of your posts include a media reference. In this one you're actually drawing a conclusion only because the media is covering it.

Way to twist what I actually said. I said it isn't a big deal. I didn't say it wasn't a big deal because the media is covering it. It's not a big deal because it's tens of people. A couple hundred at most if things go that far.

Wrong. I linked a media post about how the rate of deaths vs the entire population correlate to some referring to it as a genocide. Right or wrong.

 

[Boilermaker03]

So your preconceptions of the media are driving your position here too.

You're "pretty sure" the info isn't true because the media "always leave out key details", not because you've looked into it.

Don't you see how your view of the media actually prevents you from looking into stories and seeing if they're true? Talk about lazy. Call the stories lies and move on. No effort required. While at the same time you post YouTube videos from some jackleg who has no credibility and treat their words as facts. Do you see any problem here?

When I did look into stories for YEARS and they pretty much always left something out. Yeah, I don't need to look into them any more. They have completely lost my trust. The sources I use now are more reliable.

 

[Katscratch]

So your preconceptions of the media are driving your position here too.

You're "pretty sure" the info isn't true because the media "always leave out key details", not because you've looked into it.

Don't you see how your view of the media actually prevents you from looking into stories and seeing if they're true? Talk about lazy. Call the stories lies and move on. No effort required. While at the same time you post YouTube videos from some jackleg who has no credibility and treat their words as facts. Do you see any problem here?

Don't distract @Boilermaker03 . He's too busy posting nervous laughter emojis while contemplating why his Trump cryptocurrency purchases are crashing.

 

[BB62]

Way to twist what I actually said. I said it isn't a big deal. I didn't say it wasn't a big deal because the media is covering it. It's not a big deal because it's tens of people. A couple hundred at most if things go that far.

Wrong. I linked a media post about how the rate of deaths vs the entire population correlate to some referring to it as a genocide. Right or wrong.

Well if you don't why they're getting citizenship.........and you haven't looked into it much but still concluded it's no big deal.........yet you just have to mention the media is making a big thing about it........what else did you base your conclusion on? This is you having to disagree because you have to auto defend every trump action.......even when you apparently know little to nothing about it.

 

[BB62]

When I did look into stories for YEARS and they pretty much always left something out. Yeah, I don't need to look into them any more. They have completely lost my trust. The sources I use now are more reliable.

YouTubers. Lol. Yeah, very reliable.
Trump agrees. They're getting seats at WH pressers.

 

[bonefish1]

Well if you don't why they're getting citizenship.........and you haven't looked into it much but still concluded it's no big deal.........yet you just have to mention the media is making a big thing about it........what else did you base your conclusion on? This is you having to disagree because you have to auto defend every trump action.......even when you apparently know little to nothing about it.

Let me guess….it’s because they’re white?

 

[Boilermaker03]

Well if you don't why they're getting citizenship.........and you haven't looked into it much but still concluded it's no big deal.........yet you just have to mention the media is making a big thing about it........what else did you base your conclusion on? This is you having to disagree because you have to auto defend every trump action.......even when you apparently know little to nothing about it.

I based my conclusion on the fact that I saw things about the South African farmers a long time ago and saw how bad it was. If there is a group that deserves refugee status, they are one of them.

The left media would be singing the praises of any Democrat president if this is what they were doing. They'd be saying how humanitarian it is. They can go F themselves with their double standards.

 

[Boilermaker03]

YouTubers. Lol. Yeah, very reliable.
Trump agrees. They're getting seats at WH pressers.

Laugh all you want, but they regularly and quite easily point out the faults of the MSM. Most people agree with me that the MSM are not trustworthy. What do we know that you don't seem to want to see?

 

[bonefish1]

Yes, I'm taking issue with using the word "genocide" to describe the situation. It's complete hyperbole to justify skirting the rules to bring some white folks here while making up the rules to get people of color out.

I'd suggest you spend 5 minutes learning about the history of South Africa and what is happening to the white farmers today. I doubt it'll change your mind but at least you won't be completely ignorant of the actual situation.