Matt's offense is getting our shooters more open shots than they would or could or their own.
The Annual Peak
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Each season/team is different. Some similarities may be there, but there is at least one huge difference right now.
Plus.....'22 Purdue was more efficient/potent offensively and much less efficient defensively. This year's team appears to be more consistent on the glass - turnovers still a problem.
We shall see how all plays out - this year's team has enough defense to advance, but they will have to hit shots and avoid the turnover bonanza game.
JMHO
Yes, and I'm saying that, at some point, that's not enough.
At some point, you need to have a guy who can get himself and others open shots, and not have to rely solely on the offensive system.
Smith has been able to penetrate and create for others at times, but he's still a freshman. We saw what having a guy like Carsen can do. We saw what Hood-Schifino did for IU the other day. Those players win in March.
Running your offense through the low post with a big who doesn't stretch the defense. Not having guards who can create off the dribble and get to the rim.
In 2019, we had a 7 footer but he was a lot more mobile, not really a low post scorer. Plus, you had a guard who went crazy in the tournament and carried the team.
Well sounds like might have that again starting next year with Berg. So is that a bug or a feature of the system?
We have had a number of big centers who are not all cut in the same mould. Johnson, Hammons, Haarms, and now Berg, seem to be more mobile. Haas and Edey are big strong back to the basket only players. Swanigan and Tre were mostly post players but had a little more versatility. Johnson could shoot, Haarms I guess could, though Painter didn’t really let him much. Berg supposedly can.
My point is that the system is the same through all of that, but the pieces were different, and that definitely affected our strengths and weaknesses. As someone else said, you play with the pieces you have.
Painter would probably not have picked ip Edey if we had got Dickinson. Maybe in the future Painter starts getting players like Dickinson. I’m very happy with Edey though and believe Painter is doing a great job with the players we have.
EDIT: Summary: Seems like Painter’s critics make his system out to be more one dimensional than it is.
Painter recruits to fit his system, which is basically a big low post scorer surrounded by shooters. And outside of Haarms, that low post player wasn't good in the high PnR.
That doesn't leave a lot of room for a slasher or someone who can dribble drive, which outside of Ivey, has never been a strength of Painters recruiting.
It’s going to get tougher for Painter in the future to get to a final four. With the NIL a couple years in final four teams are going to have one or two immensely talented players who will have careers in the NBA. Painter has had only one player who had an NBA career and getting that type of player will be harder now. These big time programs will raise a lot of money and push the envelope. Painter will have to get even better at picking “ diamonds in the rough” and developing them.
Convenient of you to ignore Jujuan Johnson and AJ Hammons, not to mention the fact that Painter recruited Dickenson. So no, Painter doesn’t exclusively recruit back to the basket players. Just admit you’re wrong dude lol.
I said careers purposely dude. They had a cup of coffee and flamed out fast. Only Etwan had a career. Did Painter get Dickinson, must have missed him.
AJ Hammons? He was most definitely a low post player. He didn't play the high PnR or stretch the D.
JJ was the most athletic big Painter has ever had, he was probably more of a 4 than a 5. Had a good jumper to 15-18 feet.
As for Dickinson, I question whether Painter would use him like Howard does or whether Painter would keep him in the low post. Probably why Dickinson chose UM.
Maybe you’re right about Dickinson but we’ll never know. However it seems based on how Painter used Haarms, Dickinson would not just be a back to the basket player.
As for Johnson, 4 or 5 who cares. The point is that he is who he is and Painter used him how he did.
To suggest that Painter only recruits traditional Bigs for his system is just wrong. I would say that he probably gets more of them because of the success he’s had with them and the way he (Brantly) has been able to develop them. But that is very different from saying he only recruits traditional bigs or that his system only works with traditional bigs.
Love the positive title after Saturday s crash and 🔥 burn,
or " the diminishing marginal return on the season" as predicted by the history of Boiler Ball. For me it's like dating a beautiful girl , knowing she's gonna dump you and your going to feel lousy for a couple of days ( vs weeks at early years dumpings) , but you always take the journey.....thinking maybe, just maybe I'll get lucky 🤣 this time......definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over...become a Purdue fan .
or " the diminishing marginal return on the season" as predicted by the history of Boiler Ball. For me it's like dating a beautiful girl , knowing she's gonna dump you and your going to feel lousy for a couple of days ( vs weeks at early years dumpings) , but you always take the journey.....thinking maybe, just maybe I'll get lucky 🤣 this time......definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over...become a Purdue fan .
Purdue has had a 7 footer on the roster for something like 12 straight years. 80% of the time, Painter's trying to run the offense through on the low post. That's a very old school style of basketball. It's also the reason none of those bigs are in the NBA.
or, don't give her a reason to dump you! you're the prize!
Nope , finally just bought one , nice Russian girl , speaks no English, smiles a lot , loves spending time in bed. She says prize please, only English I taught her🤣🤣🤣
I feel like this year is much different. I suspect that much of this is freshmen "hitting the wall". These kids are playing serious D1 minutes in the backcourt and the schedule is much more of a load than these kids are used to. And, who thought we'd be ranked #1 ever this year? Let alone for literally weeks. I expect an even better year next year. May want to pump the brakes on this take.
Think of how much Edey has improved in a year. Think of how good he will be next year if he continues improving. And then when you factor our freshman guards improving now that they are used to B1G play, and the pieces we have coming in? We will be VERY good.
I got my money on next year if Edey returns , add MC ,Heide, Berg....this year was a nice surprise with some fine tuning we should be "ready to rumble"
Was just thinking about this premise a little more.
This post that "Painter's system doesn't work," though having been said before, was prompted by a loss to IU at home. But can this loss be used as evidence that the system doesn't work? I don't think it can.
Think about all the open shots we missed. The system gets those players open looks, and they just didn't hit them. Maybe if these shooters were a little more consistent, or we had past shooters like Matthias, Cline, etc, we are absolutely blowing teams out of the gym. The point is that we lost because we missed open looks NOT because the system doesn't work. The system did exactly what it was supposed to.
Not to mention that we were missing our FTs which we know this team is usually pretty good at. Getting to the FT line is also... get this... an intentional part of the system.
So we have a system designed to get shooters open looks, and FT attempts.... which is EXACTLY what happened on Saturday. Maybe we don't have good enough or consistent enough shooters, but the issue doesn't seem to be the system at all.
This post that "Painter's system doesn't work," though having been said before, was prompted by a loss to IU at home. But can this loss be used as evidence that the system doesn't work? I don't think it can.
Think about all the open shots we missed. The system gets those players open looks, and they just didn't hit them. Maybe if these shooters were a little more consistent, or we had past shooters like Matthias, Cline, etc, we are absolutely blowing teams out of the gym. The point is that we lost because we missed open looks NOT because the system doesn't work. The system did exactly what it was supposed to.
Not to mention that we were missing our FTs which we know this team is usually pretty good at. Getting to the FT line is also... get this... an intentional part of the system.
So we have a system designed to get shooters open looks, and FT attempts.... which is EXACTLY what happened on Saturday. Maybe we don't have good enough or consistent enough shooters, but the issue doesn't seem to be the system at all.
Agreed. This is why I return to fatigue. I think this young team is tired.
Interesting thing I need to ask. Very important, IMO.
Does CMP;...
A. Do the above "old school" thing, because that is the system he loves and believes in? You know, his style.
B. Resorts to the out-dated feed-the-post system because he (for some reason) cant consistently recruit the athletic guards (like so many other BIG teams seem to not have a problem getting, plus many mid-majors as well).
I think it's a little bit of both. I think he believes in his system but he's also struggled to recruit NBA level talent with any consistency. That talent difference matters when you get deep into the tourney. It's why on average, teams that consistently make deep tourney runs are also consistently putting guys in the NBA.
The system includes what he recruits. He tends to have few players who can get their own shot, especially at the three or four. Most teams have multiple players, including early subs who can do so. This leaves no options when outside shooting tanks.
The system is getting good looks for the shooters. The shooters are not knocking them down at the rate they were earlier in the season. Fletcher’s struggles are baffling to me. Someone is going to have to start knocking down open looks from the field.
Why are Fletcher's struggles baffling?
He struggles to get his own shot, and he's physically outmatched. He's unable to get into a rhythm, and that impacts everything.
So, when he does FINALLY get a clean look, he's pressing. It's natural and expected.
