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Swanigan update from Brian Snow

I agree that it will go on for a while, but I don't think that's good for Purdue. I think you have to try for the LOI when he's reportedly a Purdue lean, even if it is a long shot. I am always going to try to close the deal even if it is a long shot, but I'm also going to have a Plan B if I am not successful.
If the rumors are true then he said whatever his concerns with Purdue are still in place, whatever that means and having more time might actually help Purdue as it gives CMP time to alleviate those concerns.

Like I said this new recruiting sucks and is only going to get worse for other high level recruits.
 
From all the posts in the last 24 hours, it's clear that Purdue hasn't been in the running for many top 15 players over the past few decades. You all obviously aren't used to big boy recruiting.
 
From all the posts in the last 24 hours, it's clear that Purdue hasn't been in the running for many top 15 players over the past few decades. You all obviously aren't used to big boy recruiting.

I don't ever recall a recruitment quite like this one, without Purdue in the running either. Can you?

It is interesting to see the young man wield so much leverage.
 
I agree that it will go on for a while, but I don't think that's good for Purdue. I think you have to try for the LOI when he's reportedly a Purdue lean, even if it is a long shot. I am always going to try to close the deal even if it is a long shot, but I'm also going to have a Plan B if I am not successful.

Swanigan increases the ceiling of the team as soon as he enrolls. Persons does not.

I wouldn't say a lot. The top guys surely can get away with this but the middle guys won't have that luxury.

Fair. Figure the top 30 or so.
 
. Quite frankly Painter is a mediocre at best recruiter and he needs to keep doing whatever it takes to land Swanigan and change the tide. I don't care if he joins in November like Octeus as long as he comes to Purdue. Go get him Painter!

Oh yay back to this! Our mediocre recruiting that leads to a likely preseason top 25 team. Ok. Can we stop exaggerating? Is Painter a world-class recruiter? No. Is he a "mediocre" recruiter? No.
 
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. Quite frankly Painter is a mediocre at best recruiter and he needs to keep doing whatever it takes to land Swanigan and change the tide. I don't care if he joins in November like Octeus as long as he comes to Purdue. Go get him Painter!
Quite frankly... this is just troll bait. Leave it alone and maybe it will go away.

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I think you are going to see it a lot more. Once a player signs, they have no recourse if a coach decides to leave.

Actaully, if a coach leaves, the players can void their LOI's. It happens all the time - please see Hass and Wake Forest.

The LOI s just a "Letter of Intent" and has little real legal strenght if either party really wants it gone. There are some NCAA rules that affect how binding it can be. of course, it should limit contact with other schools once signed, and should ensure a scholarship will be made available to the player. Players can accept athletic scholarships without ever signing an LOI.

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Oh yay back to this! Our mediocre recruiting that leads to a likely preseason top 25 team. Ok. Can we stop exaggerating? Is Painter a world-class recruiter? No. Is he a "mediocre" recruiter? No.
And a couple people get on to me about my posting yet trollers like johnnyhoosier post things that are immensely worse and just troll bait posts.

I always chuckle a the mediocre recruiting comments I read on here for the exact reasons you listed. Painter has a great eye for talent and while he didn't do well a couple years ago, there is most certainly very good talent on this team.
 
Once the LOI is signed, the school has to release them. The player cant void it. Once the player signs, they lose all their power.
 
Once the LOI is signed, the school has to release them. The player cant void it. Once the player signs, they lose all their power.
If a player could sign a LOI yet back out at any time, then schools would waste a scholarship on that person potentially because they may not be able to fill the voided spot in time.

That said, I would be surprised if a school would not release someone that doesn't want to be there. We've seen first hand what sort of damage that can cause.
 
If a player could sign a LOI yet back out at any time, then schools would waste a scholarship on that person potentially because they may not be able to fill the voided spot in time.

That said, I would be surprised if a school would not release someone that doesn't want to be there. We've seen first hand what sort of damage that can cause.

agree (although i think you meant wouldnt), however, you never know. IIRC, Tiller never released Paxson.
 
Actaully, if a coach leaves, the players can void their LOI's. It happens all the time - please see Hass and Wake Forest.

The LOI s just a "Letter of Intent" and has little real legal strenght if either party really wants it gone. There are some NCAA rules that affect how binding it can be. of course, it should limit contact with other schools once signed, and should ensure a scholarship will be made available to the player. Players can accept athletic scholarships without ever signing an LOI.

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Haas never signed an LOI with wake, just verbally committed. The rumors about the coach getting canned gave him cold feet.
 
Oh yay back to this! Our mediocre recruiting that leads to a likely preseason top 25 team. Ok. Can we stop exaggerating? Is Painter a world-class recruiter? No. Is he a "mediocre" recruiter? No.
Also the same recruiting that has lead us to multiple losing seasons. It all evens out. We had some pretty terrible years under Painter and we've had some pretty decent years. To me that makes his recruiting mediocre. If he lands Swanigan then we can talk about him being better. And if we don't land Swanigan we most likely will not be preseason top 25 anyway...
 
Also the same recruiting that has lead us to multiple losing seasons. It all evens out. We had some pretty terrible years under Painter and we've had some pretty decent years. To me that makes his recruiting mediocre. If he lands Swanigan then we can talk about him being better. And if we don't land Swanigan we most likely will not be preseason top 25 anyway...
So last season was a losing season? Or are you just conveniently going to pick and choose things to suit your trolling?
 
So last season was a losing season? Or are you just conveniently going to pick and choose things to suit your trolling?
Can you read? No where did I say last year was a losing season. I said we have HAD multiple losing seasons under Painter which is fact. I also said we have good years under him so no where did I cherry pick anything, nice try though.
 
Can you read? No where did I say last year was a losing season. I said we have HAD multiple losing seasons under Painter which is fact. I also said we have good years under him so no where did I cherry pick anything, nice try though.
Well considering that last year is the relevant year and that recruiting was a direct impact on that, your statement is basically blown to bits. Nice troll attempt but you failed regardless.
 
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Have to agree with those who have said the longer it drags out it gets more likely CS is not coming to Purdue. If he wanted Purdue he would have chosen them to start with. If they were his second choice now would be the time to make that choice. Logical explanation appears to be Cal is scrambling to get a scholarship opened up and if that happens he will take it. Possible alternative is UK is putting a last minute push on. I also agree with those who have said the team seems to be pretty close. Do they really want a possible prima dona and his handlers destroying that? Is Painter willing to put up with outside distractions? Do they want a kid who obviously looks at Purdue as a plan "C", "D", or "E"?
 
If a player could sign a LOI yet back out at any time, then schools would waste a scholarship on that person potentially because they may not be able to fill the voided spot in time.

That said, I would be surprised if a school would not release someone that doesn't want to be there. We've seen first hand what sort of damage that can cause.
True, but it seems like to get to the point of causing national public relations damage, the kid has had to go through a lot of crap already to get it to that point. I recall the big deal Bo Ryan made out of a player wanting to leave and go Iowa (?). He ultimately released him, but not until after the kid had suffered quite a bit with being strong-armed and told no multiple times.

So I can absolutely see why a kid with options oozing out his ears would be hesitant to sign an LOI that felt one-sided to him. For most kids, the upside of securing a guaranteed 1st year scholarship (that can't be rescinded) at a school you really want to be at is worth enough to take the risk that they could potentially get into a situation where they can't easily get away. For one-and-done level kids, I think the difference is many are not as "into" the school they're committing to because it's not as long term in their mind, thus they feel they need to hedge better on an exit strategy.
 
Why is he a prima donna? This drama is generated by the media and the fans. Not the player. Also, if Painter didnt want him, and didnt think he would help the team, he wouldnt be pursuing him this late in the game.

As for Cal, has dillard qualified?
 
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Have to agree with those who have said the longer it drags out it gets more likely CS is not coming to Purdue. If he wanted Purdue he would have chosen them to start with. If they were his second choice now would be the time to make that choice. Logical explanation appears to be Cal is scrambling to get a scholarship opened up and if that happens he will take it. Possible alternative is UK is putting a last minute push on. I also agree with those who have said the team seems to be pretty close. Do they really want a possible prima dona and his handlers destroying that? Is Painter willing to put up with outside distractions? Do they want a kid who obviously looks at Purdue as a plan "C", "D", or "E"?

The same can be said for Cal, can't it? If he really wanted to go to Cal, can't he just sign a LOI and have Cal figure out the scholarship mess? I just don't buy some of the reports coming out of Cal. First they say that Swanigan is waiting on Cal to open up a scholarship, then they say that Cal is going "full court press" to get him. It just doesn't make any sense. Also, I find it hard to believe that the Swanigan camp, that his been so tight lipped throughout this whole process, would leak info to a Cal reporter of all people.

It's hard sifting through this mess and trying to figure out what is true. I will say this though, it means something to me that Dakich is still adamant that Swanigan is a Purdue lock. He loses so much credibility if he's wrong and he hasn't backed off one bit. I'm not optimistic about this whole situation, given how Purdue always ends up being the bridesmaid, but I'm not nearly as pessimistic as most. Cal doesn't have a whole lot going for it. Yeah, playing with your friends is nice… but is it worth it if you're going to get less national exposure, your friends are going to be gone after a year, and you're going to have to play out position? Purdue just seems like the logical choice here and while I don't expect an 18 year old to get that, I'm sure his dad does...
 
Yeah, that soooooo many people came out and said that Purdue was it is still VERY interesting to me.

It's clear that if Barnes had his way it would be Purdue (thought it seems he was the one to push MSU so hard) at this point. If i'm Barnes....bias or no, I don't really want my son to go to Cal. Long travel times and most of those games are lost to the time difference on the east coast. Not a lot of media exposure....and it's most important for a top 15-20 guy to have ESPN talk about him a lot!
 
Also the same recruiting that has lead us to multiple losing seasons. It all evens out. We had some pretty terrible years under Painter and we've had some pretty decent years. To me that makes his recruiting mediocre. If he lands Swanigan then we can talk about him being better. And if we don't land Swanigan we most likely will not be preseason top 25 anyway...

This is really creepy. Multiple attempts to troll with the same lame rhetoric. Suggest you find a new mantra... and while you are at it, find a new place to troll.

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No one has made this a soap opera but the fans and the media. The player has not tweeted out one thing to draw attention.

I'm glad you said this. People talk about how bad recruiting is becoming. I believe that the biggest thing changing is a bunch of adults hanging on every tweet of the media and a bunch of teenagers. If they would have had recruiting sites and social media, then recruiting probably would have been just as 'dramatic' back in the day.
 
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Yeah, that soooooo many people came out and said that Purdue was it is still VERY interesting to me.

It's clear that if Barnes had his way it would be Purdue (thought it seems he was the one to push MSU so hard) at this point. If i'm Barnes....bias or no, I don't really want my son to go to Cal. Long travel times and most of those games are lost to the time difference on the east coast. Not a lot of media exposure....and it's most important for a top 15-20 guy to have ESPN talk about him a lot!
Why do you think he wants Swanigan at Purdue when his own son didn't even go to Purdue?
 
Why do you think he wants Swanigan at Purdue when his own son didn't even go to Purdue?

Probably had to do with the situation at the times for each. Painter may be better for CS than Hope was for JB or Tiller was for JW
 
As Rosie and Biggie have said, it will be a business decision. Purdue may not be the top choice in their opinion, but it is among the list of choices. If the top choice is confirmed as unavailable, Purdue may end up being chosen. Beyond this, we don't really know anything. I don't think we should feel too bad about not being the clear first choice given what is at stake for the player. Rather, we should feel good that we are still in the running for a great player that will help the team succeed. It'll be cool if it happens, but we'll be fine if it doesn't.
 
As Rosie and Biggie have said, it will be a business decision. Purdue may not be the top choice in their opinion, but it is among the list of choices. If the top choice is confirmed as unavailable, Purdue may end up being chosen. Beyond this, we don't really know anything. I don't think we should feel too bad about not being the clear first choice given what is at stake for the player. Rather, we should feel good that we are still in the running for a great player that will help the team succeed. It'll be cool if it happens, but we'll be fine if it doesn't.

Well, it should also be said there are many, many programs Swanigan could have gone to that are considered much better.

So even if Purdue isn't a first choice of his, we're above other big programs too.

I'm really not concerned about it. Like you said, it's great if it happens, it's going to be fine if it doesn't.
 
As Rosie and Biggie have said, it will be a business decision.

I'd like to know the (Rosie & BCS) definition of the word "business".

If "business" means going to a school where you will immediately and SOLELY play the 4 PF from the very first day. Where you can showcase your talents at the 4 PF with two 7 footers, one whom will be here for the next three years. Where you will play with a seasoned squad coming off a great year, and poised to be one of the best teams in the B1G, and possibly the nation...then IMO Purdue would be the best "business" decision.

If "business" means playing with a couple buddies you met playing AAU ball. Possibly being left at the school with who knows RE talent, while those two go off to the NBA after their Frosh year...then IMO Cal would be the best "business" decision.
 
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Good grief enough with the insults guys it's obvious people are going to get aggravated over this situation
Good grief, I doubt posts like ours really matter in the recruiting process.
 
I have read that he doesn't want to be on campus all Summer. Is that a factor in putting off a decision? How long should we wait? Until July? August? What would that do to the team chemistry? If that is true, he thinks he can be a one and done and not work any harder than that? To me the kid is acting like a kid. Dad needs to step up. I know it's the kid' s decision but at 18 there are still times when they need Mom or Dad for perspective. He needs to spend every day going against 7 footers banging and grinding his way to the NBA.
 
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I have read that he doesn't want to be on campus all Summer. Is that a factor in putting off a decision? How long should we wait? Until July? August? What would that do to the team chemistry? If that is true, he thinks he can be a one and done and not work any harder than that? To me the kid is acting like a kid. Dad needs to step up. I know it's the kid' s decision but at 18 there are still times when they need Mom or Dad for perspective. He needs to spend every day going against 7 footers banging and grinding his way to the NBA.

Octeus showed up in October. Chemistry could be ruined or could be fine. You take him either way.
 
I'd like to know the (Rosie & BCS) definition of the word "business".

If "business" means going to a school where you will immediately and SOLELY play the 4 PF from the very first day. Where you can showcase your talents at the 4 PF with two 7 footers, one whom will be here for the next three years. Where you will play with a seasoned squad coming off a great year, and poised to be one of the best teams in the B1G, and possibly the nation...then IMO Purdue would be the best "business" decision.

If "business" means playing with a couple buddies you met playing AAU ball. Possibly being left at the school with who knows RE talent, while those two go off to the NBA after their Frosh year...then IMO Cal would be the best "business" decision.
Cal is going to be a really tough team next year with or without Swanigan. To me it seems like the appeal of Cal (for Swanigan) is something like UK or Duke last year. Seeing what all those elite freshman could do together last year, I'm sure he thinks it could happen next year if all three of them played together. The only competition they would have would be Arizona, UCLA and maybe Oregon. The Pac 12 is weak. They should cruise through to the tournament and then who knows.
 
Cal is going to be a really tough team next year with or without Swanigan. To me it seems like the appeal of Cal (for Swanigan) is something like UK or Duke last year. Seeing what all those elite freshman could do together last year, I'm sure he thinks it could happen next year if all three of them played together. The only competition they would have would be Arizona, UCLA and maybe Oregon. The Pac 12 is weak. They should cruise through to the tournament and then who knows.

Brown and Rabb play the 3 and 4, respectively. Either Biggie plays the 5, or he comes off the bench. Maybe he's ok with that.
 
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