You mean 52? 40 (other position) and leftover from the other two…
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He has 12 going to Benter/West/Murphy. That's why it's only 40.
I am skeptical of the idea that Benter plays many minutes at all at the 4, nor do I think Murphy plays a ton there. TKR is probably getting at least 30, Cluff and DJ are rotating at the 4/5, unless we are playing a really small lineup where we feel we have to adjust to them instead of making them adjust to our bigs, then I think the vast majority of those minutes for Murphy, Benter, Harris, Cox, Smith, Mayer, and Loyer are at 1-3. So 120 minutes. Burgess also exists.
If you give Fletcher 30+ and Smith 38ish, which is basically 70 minutes, that leaves 50 left.
If you give Benter and Murphy 10ish, that leaves 40 for Harris, Cox, Mayer and in theory West but I think West is probably out for playing time.
Certainly playing Murphy only at the 4 and playing Benter at the 4 relieves some of the minutes crunch so you can play everyone. And that probably is fine against smaller teams. It's not so fine against bigger teams. So, it's going to be fluid. It's going to depend on matchups, who's hot, who's not, whether we need a Fletcher 3 or a Cox defensive stop.
I just think getting locked into this player has to average x minutes no matter what makes no sense at all. Those three are starting every game. They are playing significant minutes every game. But there's nothing magical about playing 30 minutes versus 28 or 32.
I don't believe you. We have a 9-page thread about it and it's only June!!
Lol I think most people agree it's going to be fluid. A few do not. Someone's going to surprise, several, both ways. Great news is we have such deep talent, any permutation we end up with is probably going to be very good.
I would love to see Braden play fewer than the 37 mpg he played last year, and I think he might, but only because I think there will be more games where Purdue controls the score early and Paint feels comfortable getting Meyer more run. I have never seen MP not ride his top guys as much as he can in close games, so I have a hard time seeing Braden playing fewer than 35 minutes in tight contests.
Fletcher will play fewer minutes than Braden, but the concept remains the same. For as good as guys like Benter may be, they're just not as good as Fletch, so in most close games, MP is going to keep Fletch on the floor, just as he did last season.
If we are genuinely the run away #1 team in the country like the Sleepers guys think (and a lot of others - including me) then we should have a lot of blowouts.
Especially with the depth we have to keep fresh legs in and crush the second half of games when others run out of steam.
That would be a good thing on several fronts. Not the least of which is getting more playing time for the younger guys and limiting wear and tear on the older guys.
As we all know, you're much kinder than I am. I just don't see two guys who have started games and played in a NC being concerned about a kid who is redshirting, but I agree that overall team depth and limited opportunities to play bigger roles were likely the driving factor.
Myles was limited to shooting and his numbers were never as good as many thought he should have been. Benter, alone brings better ball handling and passing if at the 3 as well as shooting. Cam, a great athlete that was a good defender knew his role would be much less with Trey moving back to the four. I think Benter played a role as did the overall numbers at the 5 that moved Trey back to a 4. I can't recall when Omar was expected to declare for Purdue. I also think Rosie made a comment that implied Myles was limited in what he was "allowed" to do inside the O and so not only was Benter a player, but a different environment it appeared to me to be in play as well for him.
Agree on Myles likely feeling limited in what he was allowed to do offensively. I’m not saying Jack won’t be a better player than Myles or Cam, perhaps as soon as this year, only that I doubt they were worried about him.
I know it is a short clip and not seeing everything that happened but might be hard to keep West off the floor.
I agree on blowouts curbing back Smith’s minutes but if we can keep him in the 30 minute range until February/March, he will have so much left in the tank for a deep run. I think these young guys are ready now and letting them get longer runs will only serve to help come tourney time.
I agree on blowouts curbing back Smith’s minutes but if we can keep him in the 30 minute range until February/March, he will have so much left in the tank for a deep run. I think these young guys are ready now and letting them get longer runs will only serve to help come tourney time.
Pretty cool to see a bunch of guys who would have played major roles from day one five years ago get a chance to spend a year or two in the program first. Hopefully those guys push the established players and embrace their roles this season and are ready to take leading roles next season.
I hope painter is taking notes on how Rick Carlisle has been using his bench.
Coach Painter appears to have lost weight and be more camera ready for a great season
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Well that makes one of us.Coach Painter appears to have lost weight and be more camera ready for a great season
I love the big three! They will all almost certainly start. Braden will play more minutes than anyone else on the team! TKR will be a huge factor again this year. Fletcher wont lose his magic shooting touch and will get plenty of playing time. I feel strongly Cox makes a jump and is used more as an offensive weapon this year. Harris I hope makes the jump we hoped to see from Myles and Cam last year. I believe that both Harris and Cox show enough improvement that it makes sense to increase their time and that putting them on the court gives newer looks to cause opponents to adjust to different personnel on the fly during games. Painter seems very high on Benters chances and that means he’s also cutting into playing time. I don’t believe you beat out the blue bloods in pursuit of Mayer and he’s only getting mop up minutes.
So if we see the hoped for and expected improvements and performance levels of these players, which we all hope we do, then minutes played become difficult to divvy up and in order to give different looks and optimizes the use of the skills across the board I believe you will indeed see a decrease in average minutes per game for Fletch. TKR commented on one of the videos that his usage will decrease, we’ll see lol. Braden many believe needs to average less minutes per game and get some breathers during games. He’s not gonna want to do it but there are times when he is a bit winded where it would likely be beneficial.
I guess my point is, if this team is indeed as talented and will be as good as were predicting, then both new players and returning player are better than previous years. It then makes sense to decrease playing time for the guys that you felt you couldn’t take out last year, giving them a rest and making your team more well rounded using different players and looks to take advantage of fresher players all while giving your stars a bit of rest to keep them fresher. Why say they have to play so many minutes when you have talented options to maximize contributions from all who can contribute. If you believe they have to be on the floor for 30+ minutes then really our team probably isn’t as good and complete as we say they are. We’re not collecting great players to sit on the bench so we can say look how deep we are are we? lol.
Fletch is 85 made 3s away from becoming the leader in 3PMs—Carsen is the leader (in only 3 years👀👀👀👀😮🫣).
Loyer’s most 3s he’s made in a year is 75 (last year).
What are the chances he breaks it this year?!
If the offense frees him up to shoot more consistently then he has a chance.
I think he'd have to get more shots up than he usually does. Goes back to whether you think he plays however many more minutes, if this is a top team in the country then there's going to be more blowouts which could mean fewer opportunities. So he'd either need more shots up or maybe a championship game run might just provide enough time.
Love the post, completely disagree with your conclusion (shocking right?). Unless you’re good enough to play with your food, you play the guys who give you the best chance to win. As good as the support guys may be, they’re not as good as the Big Three.
Will there be more blowouts where they play less? Quite likely. Will they play less in close games? I don’t see it, but I’ve been wrong before and will be again.
I just don’t see that many blowouts on the schedule this year…non con is tough and even the 5 mid majors arent a guarantee to be blowouts
I think I see seven potentially in the non conference and there's always a handful in conference. I guess depends on what that you define a blowout. I'd say win by 15+?
I honestly don’t know, but I tend to agree with you. There are probably a handful of non-conference games and another handful of BT home games.
Part of this is Painter’s approach. Unless he’s up 20+ in the second half or 15+ in the last 5 to 7 minutes he tends to stick with his core group. Fans can disagree with this approach, and they may be right, but I’m not sure I see it changing.
Yeah I’d say 15+ BUT I think we have seen Painter keep the main guys in, even when it’s been 15-20, no?
Maybe he has pulled them when Purdue has been up 20+ with a few mins left? And maybe it’s just recency bias for me…since it seemed he HAD to play the starters a lot last year 😂
I HOPE that we win a lot of games by 15+…I agree with everyone that we should rest guys more in Nov-Jan. Hopefully, paint feels that way too (resting his starters a bit more by reducing the mins).
I’d like to see us get him more shots. If he shoots 45% again have to average 2.5ish makes on 5.5ish attempts—which would both be career highs (obviously haha).
Hopefully, with the offensive weapons we have, he’d get that opportunity, even if minutes reduced.
I'd like to see us twist the knife more at the end of games and turn those 15 point leads into 25 point wins instead of fighting off a comeback and having it go down to the wire. No choking allowed this year!
Choking? Did we have a lot of choking before??
Last name Murphy. Red head. That checks, lol
but holy shit, does Murphy ever miss?
My Hot take.
As much hype as Mayer is getting its not enough and he is Big Ten Freshman of the year.
As much hype as Mayer is getting its not enough and he is Big Ten Freshman of the year.
Not that I recall. Have to define it I guess but usually I'd say it's losing a big lead in a short time and I don't recall that happening.
I don't usually categorize losing a closely fought game as "choking" myself.
Unfortunately this is almost required to get the best seeding now adays, unless you manage a near perfect record against a solid schedule. Net/KP/BPI/KPI all favor teams that run the score up, and I believe all are on the team sheets now.
He passed up a lot of shots last year. Hopefully he’ll feel free to fire away now that we should be a much better rebounding team.
LOL. If Benter is that good then Painter should not have used a redshirt. Colvin and Heide transferred due to the way Painter utilized them on offense. There were many times last year Smith was reluctant to pass the ball to Colvin. And against Houston, second half, Colvin and Heide scored 16 of our 29 points. Let that sink in.
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