Will someone explain how the teams are selected for play in games? Why would teams higher than 16 seeds have to play their way into the tourney? If you cant even make the original 60, how can you end up in the 11 seed?
Sorry if already asked and answered
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Wasn't the original "play-in" game added before the expansion to 68 in order to accommodate some new league that increased the number of automatic bids? I thought that's why the "play-in" game was originally a 16-16.
If the expansion from 65 to 68 was to increase the at-large bids, then it makes sense to have those teams seeded at the bottom of the at-large pool (usually around 11 or 12 anyway).
If the expansion from 65 to 68 was to increase the at-large bids, then it makes sense to have those teams seeded at the bottom of the at-large pool (usually around 11 or 12 anyway).
Pretty simple..
The last 4 at large bids are in the 1st round games (play in games), which are usually teams from power conferences.
The 4 weakest of the automatic bids play in the other 2 first round games. Usually a team that wins there conference tourney that wasn't a 1 seed in that tourney.
The last 4 at large bids are in the 1st round games (play in games), which are usually teams from power conferences.
The 4 weakest of the automatic bids play in the other 2 first round games. Usually a team that wins there conference tourney that wasn't a 1 seed in that tourney.
alumnfan posted on 3/11/2015...
They are not play-in games. Fans often refer to them as play in games but the NCAA does not look at them that way. They look at them as first round games and don't want four potential 16 seeds in those games because crowds would be very small.
I would imagine the crowds will be small anyway.
They are not play-in games. Fans often refer to them as play in games but the NCAA does not look at them that way. They look at them as first round games and don't want four potential 16 seeds in those games because crowds would be very small.
I would imagine the crowds will be small anyway.
Yes to 4's explanation. Four lowest automatic qualifiers and four lowest at-large selections.
By way of example.....last years "First" round in Dayton had two 16-seed play-ins Cal Poly (13-19) v Tx Southern (19-14)....winner to face Wichita State; and Albany (18-14) v Mt. St. Mary's (16-16).....winner to face Florida.
The other two games were #12's NC State (21-13) v Xavier (21-12).....winner to face St Louis; and #11's Iowa (20-12) v. Tennessee (21-12).....winner to face Massachusetts.
Tennessee made it to the regional in Indianapolis and gave Michigan all it could handle IIRC.
Bob Morris could be in a Dayton game this year.
This post was edited on 3/11 3:16 PM by Purdue Grad in Texas
This post was edited on 3/11 3:17 PM by Purdue Grad in Texas
By way of example.....last years "First" round in Dayton had two 16-seed play-ins Cal Poly (13-19) v Tx Southern (19-14)....winner to face Wichita State; and Albany (18-14) v Mt. St. Mary's (16-16).....winner to face Florida.
The other two games were #12's NC State (21-13) v Xavier (21-12).....winner to face St Louis; and #11's Iowa (20-12) v. Tennessee (21-12).....winner to face Massachusetts.
Tennessee made it to the regional in Indianapolis and gave Michigan all it could handle IIRC.
Bob Morris could be in a Dayton game this year.
This post was edited on 3/11 3:16 PM by Purdue Grad in Texas
This post was edited on 3/11 3:17 PM by Purdue Grad in Texas
And, of course, when VCU made their epic final four run in 2011 it was as a "first round" participant. The Rams knocked off USC in the First Round, Georgetown in the Round of 64, and our own Boilers in the Round of 32 enroute to the Final Four.
Thank you for your responses. While I now get the mechanics of it, it still seems counterintuitive that a seed as high as 11 should play an extra game.
I feel like it would be more fair if the play in games were all at-large teams. I don't like the idea of penalizing teams that earned an automatic bid.
I don't see that as penalizing them a 16 seed has never beat a 1 if I was a 16 seed I would definitely want to play another 16 seed just so I could say I won a NCAA tournament game.
