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Sophie Swanson entering portal

I can't say I was overly disappointed with some of the losses. However, with Swanson leaving I believe this has become a major issue for 2025-2026. She certainly wasn't perfect, but we sure needed her to stay. Coach will have to prove she can bring in some talent. If you can't keep what you have, I don't know how you bring it in.
 
I still can't believe Bobinski chose to bring in an inexperienced Div 1 coach right when NIL was changing everything about college bball. No way our program (or Gearlds) can survive this - we may as well get comfortable placing in the bottom 3 in the conference for a looooong time.
 
Oh, this one hurts. I wonder if it's a sign that Gearlds has lost the locker room?

I never thought Katie's talk of going all Missouri/Michigan in the portal was a very good idea. For one thing, I highly doubt Purdue wbb is in a position to attract game changers. Beyond that, it sends the message that the head coach has no confidence in the current players. Sophie Swanson might not be an all-conference player, but she could be a productive building block.

I guess Gearlds has put all her chips on remaking the roster this spring. I'm not confident, but that's the world we live in.
 
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This one hurts a little, it is what it is, happening all over.
Name me another coach that has lost as many players in 4 years as Gearlds. There may be 4-8 out of 340+ D1 teams. THIS level of players abandoning so didn't happen all over, only at places where the players have lost confidence in the coaches abilities.
 
I'd like to see a list of who's transferred out during Gearlds' tenure, but don't have the time to compile it right now.

That site tracks all D1 portal entrants for the last several years. As you scroll through it you will see Purdue is easily top 10% and maybe top 10 overall in players lost over the last 4 years compared to the rest of D1 programs.
 
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Dub on The Depot said the theme he is hearing on players here entering the portal is playing time. That said, I think that points to a lack of communication and direction. Concerns for playing time on a bad team is somewhat odd to me. On most teams it is clear that success in games/practice equals more playing time. That should be discussed between individual players and coaches, so there are no surprises. There are some gleaming indicators here of trouble in WBB City. A lack of institutional/team control with respect to transparency is more like it.
 
Not a monumental loss, would of been nice to keep her for depth and continuity purposes but she would of had to make a big jump to be a consistent starter on next year's team that needs to be middle of the pack(just my thoughts on what the team's goal should be next year..). On a bad team, yes Swanson could start, but I just find it hard seeing her making the jump needed to be a consistent productive player. I wish her and Poole the best.

This upcoming year feels alot like Mike Woodsons season that just wrapped up. Most fans knew going in that he wasn't going to change, he wasn't going to "get them over the hump", but he's an Alum legend. Archie Miller got a 4th year so lets be fair and give Woodson a 4th year.

Gearlds - Alum Legend - give her one more season with revenue sharing, also the buyout is a tad lower for next season.



At least she hasn't come at the fans like Woodson and the IU players did. Yes different fan bases and alot of attention towards men sports compared to women's, just saying Gearlds hasn't blamed her struggles on other people and that's why I can still root for her and hold no animosity towards her.

I hope I'm wrong and Gearlds turns this around, but the odds are stacked against her. I think most know where this is heading.
 
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Dub on The Depot said the theme he is hearing on players here entering the portal is playing time. That said, I think that points to a lack of communication and direction. Concerns for playing time on a bad team is somewhat odd to me. On most teams it is clear that success in games/practice equals more playing time. That should be discussed between individual players and coaches, so there are no surprises. There are some gleaming indicators here of trouble in WBB City. A lack of institutional control with respect to transparency is more like it.
IF anyone here believes Collier earned her minutes with her production, I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Its pretty obvious playing time was given out to her favorites, not to the best players or the ones with the highest ceiling to try and develop them. Couple this with severe lack of player development and its not hard to see why players that have ambition and pride in their game want to be somewhere that they can show out to their best ability.
Not a monumental loss, would of been nice to keep her for depth and continuity purposes but she would of had to make a big jump to be a consistent starter on next year's team that needs to be middle of the pack(just my thoughts on what the team's goal should be next year..). On a bad team, yes Swanson could start, but I just find it hard seeing her make the jump needed to be a consistent productive player. I wish her and Poole the best.

This upcoming year feels alot like Mike Woodsons season that just wrapped up. Most fans knew going in that he wasn't going to change, he wasn't going to "get them over the hump", but he's an Alum legend. Archie Miller got a 4th year so lets be fair and give Woodson a 4th year.

Gearlds - Alum Legend - give her one more season with revenue sharing, also the buyout is a tad lower for next season.



At least she hasn't come at the fans like Woodson and the IU players did. Yes different fan bases and alot of attention towards men sports compared to women's, just saying Gearlds hasn't blamed her struggles on other people and that's why I can still root for her and hold no animosity towards her.

I hope I'm wrong and Gearlds turns this around, but the odds are stacked against her. I think most know where this is heading.
Swanson has shown a great deal of upside that a competent coach can easily turn into a reliable starter on any team in the top 20-100+. Look at Learn and Kyle's production once they got to decent coaching.
 
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Dub on The Depot said the theme he is hearing on players here entering the portal is playing time. That said, I think that points to a lack of communication and direction. Concerns for playing time on a bad team is somewhat odd to me. On most teams it is clear that success in games/practice equals more playing time. That should be discussed between individual players and coaches, so there are no surprises. There are some gleaming indicators here of trouble in WBB City. A lack of institutional/team control with respect to transparency is more like it.
I do believe Gearlds is trying to recruit over most players not named Jones. Puryear, Mccarthy, Gordon seem to have the 5 spot locked down. It's win now mode for CKG, she's going to recruit the best players she can to save her job. We're probably looking at what? 8-9 new players?
 
I do believe Gearlds is trying to recruit over most players not named Jones. Puryear, Mccarthy, Gordon seem to have the 5 spot locked down. It's win now mode for CKG, she's going to recruit the best players she can to save her job. We're probably looking at what? 8-9 new players?
We need to get the roster to 12-14 for depth against injuries and because likely half the portal players will be non-producers. So, as of this minute we have 4 players coming back and two coming in; so that means 6-8 plus more if we have more go into the portal. Remember today is the first day they can declare if they played this year, and only Puryear has declared for sure she is returning as far as I have heard.
 
IF anyone here believes Collier earned her minutes with her production, I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Its pretty obvious playing time was given out to her favorites, not to the best players or the ones with the highest ceiling to try and develop them. Couple this with severe lack of player development and its not hard to see why players that have ambition and pride in their game want to be somewhere that they can show out to their best ability.

Swanson has shown a great deal of upside that a competent coach can easily turn into a reliable starter on any team in the top 20-100+. Look at Learn and Kyle's production once they got to decent coaching.
She's had flashes but if my job was on the line, I'd try to find someone more consistent. Obviously it doesnt hinge on one player, but CKG feels she needs to upgrade at the wings too. Could be a mutual split but I think it's more about CKG being honest and saying your playing time isn't guaranteed. I say that because her two most absolute can't lose players(if that's even a thing on a 10-19 team) are staying as of now. (Jones, Puryear).

From the sideline interactions I saw, Swanson and Gearlds got along.


It all sucks and we wish the recruits we bring in develop and stay all 4 years but here we are.
 
She's had flashes but if my job was on the line, I'd try to find someone more consistent. Obviously it doesnt hinge on one player, but CKG feels she needs to upgrade at the wings too. Could be a mutual split but I think it's more about CKG being honest and saying your playing time isn't guaranteed. I say that because her two most absolute can't lose players(if that's even a thing on a 10-19 team) are staying as of now. (Jones, Puryear).

From the sideline interactions I saw, Swanson and Gearlds got along.


It all sucks and we wish the recruits we bring in develop and stay all 4 years but here we are.

I actually prefer we don't go the high school route anymore. Unless we can get a surefire, instant impact, prospect.

Build through the portal. Get kids actually ready to make an impact. Enough with getting mid-level HS prospects - allowing them to develop for a year or two while losing - and then have them just entering the portal to go elsewhere by the time they are a upper classmen. Essentially EXACTLY what Swanson did. She didn't have a ton of major offers out of HS - it's not like she was an elite recruit or anything. KG actually did her favor - and then still got burnt.

Again all these lessons are being learned by a P4 head coach that should've already been learned elsewhere, at a lower D1 level - but that's what happens when you hire someone with no D1 experience.
 
I actually prefer we don't go the high school route anymore. Unless we can get a surefire, instant impact, prospect.

Build through the portal. Get kids actually ready to make an impact. Enough with getting mid-level HS prospects - allowing them to develop for a year or two while losing - and then have them just entering the portal to go elsewhere by the time they are a upper classmen. Essentially EXACTLY what Swanson did. She didn't have a ton of major offers out of HS - it's not like she was an elite recruit or anything. KG actually did her favor - and then still got burnt.

Again all these lessons are being learned by a P4 head coach that should've already been learned elsewhere, at a lower D1 level - but that's what happens when you hire someone with no D1 experience.

Yeah, because that has worked so well for us so far, and for a more committed approach to primarily portal recruiting look DOWN the Big Ten standings from us to PSU. Unless you have BIG BANK to spend or a great reputation and a winning program, you are not building anything from the portal in women's basketball. Its like Eeyore's house of sticks, any good wind will knock it down and losing seasons of epic proportions are to be the expected norm for that approach.
 
Yeah, because that has worked so well for us so far, and for a more committed approach to primarily portal recruiting look DOWN the Big Ten standings from us to PSU. Unless you have BIG BANK to spend or a great reputation and a winning program, you are not building anything from the portal in women's basketball. Its like Eeyore's house of sticks, any good wind will knock it down and losing seasons of epic proportions are to be the expected norm for that approach.

And you don't think it works the same in high school recruiting?? What McDonald's AA is going to come here? You think some 80-120 level recruit is going to come in here and help us win anything in the Big 10? And I thought you said female basketball players don't make anything in NIL?

Our most productive kids over the KG Era were in fact transfers. The only productive HS kids transferred for greener pastures. With Spider being the lone exception and we will see about that. Until we build a program up - it makes no sense building through average high school recruits who are not able to really contribute until their junior or senior years.


Sure if we can get a bunch of HS All American in here then that's great. You can build through that but that's not going to happen any time soon. Only way is if we string together a bunch of under the radar kids from the portal from lower levels.

I would have killed for an Ellis or Harper (SR) or Brooke Moore this year.
 
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IF anyone here believes Collier earned her minutes with her production, I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Its pretty obvious playing time was given out to her favorites, not to the best players or the ones with the highest ceiling to try and develop them. Couple this with severe lack of player development and its not hard to see why players that have ambition and pride in their game want to be somewhere that they can show out to their best ability.

Swanson has shown a great deal of upside that a competent coach can easily turn into a reliable starter on any team in the top 20-100+. Look at Learn and Kyle's production once they got to decent coaching.
I am looking for a warmer climate. How much are you asking for that property that you’re selling in Arizona? VBG. Everything id relative. For those who think we’re not losing much, Swanson would have been our second leading returning scorer. Of course second best in a very bad team is not actually great. But the dreamer in me was hoping she’d return a more consistent contributor next season. Good luck to her and to Poole in their future endeavors.
 
Name me another coach that has lost as many players in 4 years as Gearlds. There may be 4-8 out of 340+ D1 teams. THIS level of players abandoning so didn't happen all over, only at places where the players have lost confidence in the coaches abilities.
Michael, I don’t follow the women’s game like you do, I like above the rim basketball, my Boilers have had a nice run lately. As far as the transfers, the girls that left didn’t impress me much, if teams are longing for Swanson and Poole good for the girls, not sure it’s good for the teams. Kids leave now, that’s the way it is for most teams, it’s happening at Purdue in even greater numbers because it seems the admin doesn’t care much about winning, my guess is most Purdue fans don’t care as well, there’s like 6-8 of us that post here, it’s sort of like we’re great friends there’s so few of us. Speaking of which, hope DocRon is ok, haven’t seen any posts in a while.
 
And you don't think it works the same in high school recruiting?? What McDonald's AA is going to come here? You think some 80-120 level recruit is going to come in here and help us win anything in the Big 10? And I thought you said female basketball players don't make anything in NIL?

Our most productive kids over the KG Era were in fact transfers. The only productive HS kids transferred for greener pastures. With Spider being the lone exception and we will see about that. Until we build a program up - it makes no sense building through average high school recruits who are not able to really contribute until their junior or senior years.


Sure if we can get a bunch of HS All American in here then that's great. You can build through that but that's not going to happen any time soon. Only way is if we string together a bunch of under the radar kids from the portal from lower levels.

I would have killed for an Ellis or Harper (SR) or Brooke Moore this year.

No, NIL is not very big in WBBall, which is why if CKG had a couple of million to spread around, she MIGHT be able to get someone decent out of the portal.

Funny how it works for every school with a competent head coach to slowly build their program with high school recruiting, but you continue to believe no one is doing that anymore despite the mountains of evidence against you.

So I am assuming you are giving up on CKG's ability to develop talent in totality and hoping/praying for finished products from lower programs that MIGHT be able to translate to mediocre Big Ten players?
 
Michael, I don’t follow the women’s game like you do, I like above the rim basketball, my Boilers have had a nice run lately. As far as the transfers, the girls that left didn’t impress me much, if teams are longing for Swanson and Poole good for the girls, not sure it’s good for the teams. Kids leave now, that’s the way it is for most teams, it’s happening at Purdue in even greater numbers because it seems the admin doesn’t care much about winning, my guess is most Purdue fans don’t care as well, there’s like 6-8 of us that post here, it’s sort of like we’re great friends there’s so few of us. Speaking of which, hope DocRon is ok, haven’t seen any posts in a while.
That you don't follow women's bball much is why you are susceptible to the BS that Pride is trying to sell that we are not losing players at a MUCH higher level than other teams. That is simply not true and a cursory look around the Big Ten alone shows we are FAR and away the worst program for losing players year after year under SV and KG.

Not a single high school recruit that CKG has brought in has been "impressive". Jones is the best as a shooting guard that cannot reliably hit 3s and is really only good at driving it to the lane on offense. That means A) CKG cannot gauge talent and neither can the paid professionals that have ranked several of them in the top 100 or B) CKG and her staff have ZERO ability to develop talent nor even how to adjust the offense to use them to their best advantage. All of CKG's best players have been ones coached by someone much better than her at developing talent before they got here, and then their improvement stagnates.
 
I am looking for a warmer climate. How much are you asking for that property that you’re selling in Arizona? VBG. Everything id relative. For those who think we’re not losing much, Swanson would have been our second leading returning scorer. Of course second best in a very bad team is not actually great. But the dreamer in me was hoping she’d return a more consistent contributor next season. Good luck to her and to Poole in their future endeavors.
For context, she also shot the 2nd most shots behind Lombard at 251 while being 5th in minutes played. 7th in FG % on the team.

Someone had to take the shots and that was her role, but she also wasn't efficient in it. I would of liked her back for depth and continuity reasons, and maybe she does take that next step, but I think "2nd leading returning scorer" can be a bit misleading.
 
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That you don't follow women's bball much is why you are susceptible to the BS that Pride is trying to sell that we are not losing players at a MUCH higher level than other teams. That is simply not true and a cursory look around the Big Ten alone shows we are FAR and away the worst program for losing players year after year under SV and KG.

Not a single high school recruit that CKG has brought in has been "impressive". Jones is the best as a shooting guard that cannot reliably hit 3s and is really only good at driving it to the lane on offense. That means A) CKG cannot gauge talent and neither can the paid professionals that have ranked several of them in the top 100 or B) CKG and her staff have ZERO ability to develop talent nor even how to adjust the offense to use them to their best advantage. All of CKG's best players have been ones coached by someone much better than her at developing talent before they got here, and then their improvement stagnates.
Some like Poole were highly recruited to 50-60 ranked players, think both Reynolds were as well. Coach G has done a poor job, I also think it’s more than her though, don’t think the athletic department cares that much about the product.
 
On a positive note...if there is one. Dub just said we should see an addition to the roster in the next couple days. Hope he doesn't mind that I shared from The Depot.
Maybe Madison is returning? That actually would help a little. My guess would be Katie Davidson from IU Indy, step up in conference, she had really good stats for the Jags.
 
Some like Poole were highly recruited to 50-60 ranked players, think both Reynolds were as well. Coach G has done a poor job, I also think it’s more than her though, don’t think the athletic department cares that much about the product.
I never ever, ever, ever thought Women's Basketball at Purdue would only be here for a Title IX reason. It seems like that now though.
 
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For context, she also shot the 2nd most shots behind Lombard at 251 while being 5th in minutes played. 7th in FG % on the team.

Someone had to take the shots and that was her role, but she also wasn't efficient in it. I would of liked her back for depth and continuity reasons, and maybe she does take that next step, but I think "2nd leading returning scorer" can be a bit misleading.
Numbers don’t lie, but stats do. If we go by stats our best player was Collier. I usually listen to the Purdue radio announcers when watching games on tv. One irritating thing both men’s and women’s announcers (more often than I’d like ) point out is how low percentage 3 point shooters often burn us out with a high amount of made 3’s. To me those are stats lies. Does anyone researching stats looks at how other teams defense them? Because we leave them wide open until we’ve been burned bad and guess what, once we start covering them miraculously the stars quit lying.
 
Numbers don’t lie, but stats do. If we go by stats our best player was Collier. I usually listen to the Purdue radio announcers when watching games on tv. One irritating thing both men’s and women’s announcers (more often than I’d like ) point out is how low percentage 3 point shooters often burn us out with a high amount of made 3’s. To me those are stats lies. Does anyone researching stats looks at how other teams defense them? Because we leave them wide open until we’ve been burned bad and guess what, once we start covering them miraculously the stars quit lying.
I'm guessing you're referring to 3 pt% but that can't be our only stat to determine our best player. Collier was our best 3 pt shooter imo, the more in depth analytics will tell you most of her 3's were wide open shots but they'd also tell you Swanson forced alot of contested shots(and airballed a bunch).

Looking at the basic stats would tell us Lombard was probably our best player. Eyeballs say Jones?

Agreed that stats don't tell the whole story, but I do think it's a bit deceptive in this case of our 2nd leading returning scorer is transferring. I'd argue Jones, Puryear, and Layden were all more important players to hang on to for next season.
 
I'm guessing you're referring to 3 pt% but that can't be our only stat to determine our best player. Collier was our best 3 pt shooter imo, the more in depth analytics will tell you most of her 3's were wide open shots but they'd also tell you Swanson forced alot of contested shots(and airballed a bunch).

Looking at the basic stats would tell us Lombard was probably our best player. Eyeballs say Jones?

Agreed that stats don't tell the whole story, but I do think it's a bit deceptive in this case of our 2nd leading returning scorer is transferring. I'd argue Jones, Puryear, and Layden were all more important players to hang on to for next season.
Yes, among guards: best 3 point shooter, best assist to turnover ratio, second in minutes, third in block shots , 4th in steals. Not bad stats for player that jumped 3 levels to D-1 in a power4 conference.
 
Source: Sophie Swanson is entering the transfer portal after two years in West Lafayette.

Talia Goodman with the news first.

Who better to evaluate the head coach than the players. Red Flag that so many good players have left. Obviously some issues here with the head coach and her staff.
 
Yes, among guards: best 3 point shooter, best assist to turnover ratio, second in minutes, third in block shots , 4th in steals. Not bad stats for player that jumped 3 levels to D-1 in a power4 conference.
Not bad, but I still don't see how those stats say she's our best player. Most people would gravitate to ppg, fg%, reb, and ast. I dont have a subscription to Kenpom but I think they rank players more in depth efficiency wise. That would be interesting to see who our top rated players were.

I think we're just nitpicking here, we'd both like Swanson back. We just have differing opinions on how impactful her loss would be and that's OK. I hope we can find some wings that are 3 level scorers.
 
Not bad, but I still don't see how those stats say she's our best player. Most people would gravitate to ppg, fg%, reb, and ast. I dont have a subscription to Kenpom but I think they rank players more in depth efficiency wise. That would be interesting to see who our top rated players were.

I think we're just nitpicking here, we'd both like Swanson back. We just have differing opinions on how impactful her loss would be and that's OK. I hope we can find some wings that are 3 level scorers.
 
Actually my point is that stats can be deceiving. I was obviously exaggerating to illustrate my point. Lombar and Jones were our best players. Both the eyeball and the stats say so. The eyeball test said Cillier did not belong in the big ten. She looked clearly overmatched and at times lost, especially once we got to conference play. But when I look at the actual numbers I can't but admire the young lady's effort, jumping so many levels and not ending embarrassing herself as compared to the rest of our guards. We were a bad team, a very bad team but I think everyone, coaches and players, should take a good look in the mirror before making their individual moves. Some soul searching would be a good place to start
 

That site tracks all D1 portal entrants for the last several years. As you scroll through it you will see Purdue is easily top 10% and maybe top 10 overall in players lost over the last 4 years compared to the rest of D1 programs.
This is a good site. I went through to look at how many transfers have been out since the end of the NCAAT year in 2023. I dont count the portal after CKGs first year since that was the equivalent of a coaching change year. I didnt include this year in the total since its still fluid and the rest of the B1G will probably have entries.

CKG did have seven leave after her first year but that was the first portal after CSV departure. There looks to always be an uptick after a coaching change.

Last 2 years / This year since this portal just opened
Michigan - 11 / 0
Michigan State - 10 / 0 (Coach Change)
Penn State - 10 / 5
Oregon - 9 / 0
Wisconsin - 9 / 6 (Coach Change)
Minnesota - 8 / 0 (Coach Change)
Maryland - 7 / 0
Northwestern - 6 / 1
Ohio State - 6 / 1
Illinois - 6 / 0
Purdue - 6 / 4
USC - 6 / 1
Washington - 5 / 0
Indiana - 4 / 3
Rutgers - 4 / 0
UCLA - 3 / 0
Iowa - 1 / 0
Nebraska - 1 / 0
 
This is a good site. I went through to look at how many transfers have been out since the end of the NCAAT year in 2023. I dont count the portal after CKGs first year since that was the equivalent of a coaching change year. I didnt include this year in the total since its still fluid and the rest of the B1G will probably have entries.

CKG did have seven leave after her first year but that was the first portal after CSV departure. There looks to always be an uptick after a coaching change.

Last 2 years / This year since this portal just opened
Michigan - 11 / 0
Michigan State - 10 / 0 (Coach Change)
Penn State - 10 / 5
Oregon - 9 / 0
Wisconsin - 9 / 6 (Coach Change)
Minnesota - 8 / 0 (Coach Change)
Maryland - 7 / 0
Northwestern - 6 / 1
Ohio State - 6 / 1
Illinois - 6 / 0
Purdue - 6 / 4
USC - 6 / 1
Washington - 5 / 0
Indiana - 4 / 3
Rutgers - 4 / 0
UCLA - 3 / 0
Iowa - 1 / 0
Nebraska - 1 / 0
Michigan surprises me. So basically you only looked at her second and third year and she is averaging 3 a season. SV did about that as well, which is what puts us up in the higher percentages over 10 years. PSU coach is addicted hard to the portal crack, so not surprised by their losses. A lot of Oregon's player losses were due to the turmoil surrounding the program about what conference they might end up in.
 
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