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So Why Did Swanigan Decommit?

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So, why the change of schools? I think he had doubts going in, and that's why he did sign the LOI. SO what happened?

Some of the MSU boards are throwing around the words of “Handlers” or “money”, which is nonsense, but typical of that fan base. I mean how could anyone not see that playing for MSU is like… well who wouldn’t want to …. Well anyway, how could anyone choose Purdue over MSU? Let’s see if we can figure this out. (I don’t consider this a done deal by the way).

First, his legal guardian went to Purdue. There is nothing “dirty” about that situation. It is virtually the same as if your father or mother went to the school you choose. What’s wrong with this theory? Well, Swanigan originally committed to MSU. If the guardian had the influence, Purdue would have been first choice. No, there was a problem with his first choice that he had the courage and foresight to quickly correct.

How about the money issue? Well if his legal guardian is Barnes, I can guarantee you that Rosie is not hurting, and would not compromise the program by accepting some peanut money in an envelope. Now, let’s say Swanigan goes to UK. Same deal. Money is not the issue, at least immediate money anyway. You can say that possible NBA money might be the driver, but not any soret of bribe. This isn't about the kid getting a cool car on campus, or his guardian getting some cash.

This is about playing the position he wanted to play. I suspect MSU promised him he could play the 4 position, but when he got there, he found out the kid from Muskegon was playing the 4, and his job was to rebound and block out. Of course, he will need to do the same at Purdue, but not to the exclusion of scoring. It is a matter of degree. At Purdue, there are already two 7’ centers who like playing center. Swanigan can focus on his prefered position, Power Forward.

The other possible reason he jumped would be when he met his fellow teammates. Perhaps he did like the mix of kids that compose this year’s MSU team. That doesn’t mean they are thugs, or have character issues. It just means he didn’t like the kids. It happens.

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So, why the change of schools? I think he had doubts going in, and that's why he did sign the LOI. SO what happened?

Some of the MSU boards are throwing around the words of “Handlers” or “money”, which is nonsense, but typical of that fan base. I mean how could anyone not see that playing for MSU is like… well who wouldn’t want to …. Well anyway, how could anyone choose Purdue over MSU? Let’s see if we can figure this out. (I don’t consider this a done deal by the way).

First, his legal guardian went to Purdue. There is nothing “dirty” about that situation. It is virtually the same as if your father or mother went to the school you choose. What’s wrong with this theory? Well, Swanigan originally committed to MSU. If the guardian had the influence, Purdue would have been first choice. No, there was a problem with his first choice that he had the courage and foresight to quickly correct.

How about the money issue? Well if his legal guardian is Barnes, I can guarantee you that Rosie is not hurting, and would not compromise the program by accepting some peanut money in an envelope. Now, let’s say Swanigan goes to UK. Same deal. Money is not the issue, at least immediate money anyway. You can say that possible NBA money might be the driver, but not any soret of bribe. This isn't about the kid getting a cool car on campus, or his guardian getting some cash.

This is about playing the position he wanted to play. I suspect MSU promised him he could play the 4 position, but when he got there, he found out the kid from Muskegon was playing the 4, and his job was to rebound and block out. Of course, he will need to do the same at Purdue, but not to the exclusion of scoring. It is a matter of degree. At Purdue, there are already two 7’ centers who like playing center. Swanigan can focus on his prefered position, Power Forward.

The other possible reason he jumped would be when he met his fellow teammates. Perhaps he did like the mix of kids that compose this year’s MSU team. That doesn’t mean they are thugs, or have character issues. It just means he didn’t like the kids. It happens.

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How do you know the "handlers" or "money" stuff is nonsense? You don't have a clue. I agree that it's probably unlikely, but don't think for one minute if the reverse happened that you guys wouldn't be ALL over Izzo claiming he's dirty.

And yes. It's hard for people to understand a 5* kid going to Purdue over MSU and Izzo who are just coming off of a Final Four returning a big portion of that team.

I think you're probably right about position. With Davis going to MSU, he and Swanigan would probably split time between the 4/5. At Purdue he can play the straight 4. Not sure that helps you guys a ton, IMO, unless you move Edwards to the 3, Davis to the 2 and hope to find someone who can run the point. I'd probably put you guys in the top three now with Maryland and IU and bump MSU down to fourth.
 
In fairness to MSU fans, as soon as he committed to MSU, people on this board said the same thing about handlers, money, etc. I suppose all's fair in love, war, and fan message boards.

Seriously though, it's not like Swanigan committed a couple years ago, and the team he committed to has changed quite a bit, etc. He committed late (by normal recruiting timelines anyway), 5-ish weeks before the late/spring signing period ends, and then 2 weeks week before deadline, up and reneges his commitment, and there's virtually no known info or credible scuttlebutt as to why. I'm not suggesting Purdue did anything wrong because I'm a firm believer in seeing a reasonable amount of proof to support such a claim, but let's be honest here, it's not hard - at all - for someone on the outside to look at this and say "hmmm, I wonder what is going on there". The vast majority of kids who commit that late don't change their commitments; that much is true.

There's definitely something to be said for him having much less competition for a true 4-man spot at Purdue than at MSU. And it was a little strange (to me at least) that MSU took another PF after Swanigan committed. It's logical that played a factor, but not a foregone conclusion. If Izzo thought that was going to be an issue, it's also logical to think Izzo would have talked to him about it afterwards and assured him that he'd have a strong opportunity to secure minutes. Between Izzo's name recognition and yet another recent final 4 under his belt, it seems like he'd be able to convince Swanigan that another player at his position would be workable. The flipside is, is Swanigan that high maintenance and/or entitled to his spot that he just throws in towel on the biggest decision he's made in life to this point?

To your last point, I doubt it was an issue of not liking the teammates. It's highly likely he's met the majority of next year's team already on visits, etc. I doubt that played an issue, but that's just me trying to make sense of this all.
 
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In fairness to MSU fans, as soon as he committed to MSU, people on this board said the same thing about handlers, money, etc. I suppose all's fair in love, war, and fan message boards.

Seriously though, it's not like Swanigan committed a couple years ago, and the team he committed to has changed quite a bit, etc. He committed late (by normal recruiting timelines anyway), 5-ish weeks before the late/spring signing period ends, and then 2 weeks week before deadline, up and reneges his commitment, and there's virtually no known info or credible scuttlebutt as to why. I'm not suggesting Purdue did anything wrong because I'm a firm believer in seeing a reasonable amount of proof to support such a claim, but let's be honest here, it's not hard - at all - for someone on the outside to look at this and say "hmmm, I wonder what is going on there". The vast majority of kids who commit that late don't change their commitments; that much is true.

There's definitely something to be said for him having much less competition for a true 4-man spot at Purdue than at MSU. And it was a little strange (to me at least) that MSU took another PF after Swanigan committed. It's logical that played a factor, but not a foregone conclusion. If Izzo thought that was going to be an issue, it's also logical to think Izzo would have talked to him about it afterwards and assured him that he'd have a strong opportunity to secure minutes. Between Izzo's name recognition and yet another recent final 4 under his belt, it seems like he'd be able to convince Swanigan that another player at his position would be workable. The flipside is, is Swanigan that high maintenance and/or entitled to his spot that he just throws in towel on the biggest decision he's made in life to this point?

To your last point, I doubt it was an issue of not liking the teammates. It's highly likely he's met the majority of next year's team already on visits, etc. I doubt that played an issue, but that's just me trying to make sense of this all.
Think this is a very fair post.
 
Indiana definitely in top 3 discussion, I'd personally pick them 4th but just my humble opinion. Of course if purdue doesn't get swanigin I'd bump pu from 2 to 5-6 and IU to 3rd
 
Nope but we have another McDonald's All American big man to go along with probably the best backcourt in the conference....
and they're still gonna play for the dumbest, flakiest coach in the league. Can't fix that.
As for your earlier post stating "you don't have a clue" you really don't.
 
When his girlfriend found out how far away he would be, she essentially told him to change his mind.

Hey .. it's as good of a reason as any :D

Remember that punter from Arkansas (?) who left Purdue for the same reason ? I'm ashamed to admit I lurked his Twitter after reading comments in the thread and she, um, manipulated that situation pretty well...
 
How do you know the "handlers" or "money" stuff is nonsense? You don't have a clue. I agree that it's probably unlikely, but don't think for one minute if the reverse happened that you guys wouldn't be ALL over Izzo claiming he's dirty.

And yes. It's hard for people to understand a 5* kid going to Purdue over MSU and Izzo who are just coming off of a Final Four returning a big portion of that team.

I think you're probably right about position. With Davis going to MSU, he and Swanigan would probably split time between the 4/5. At Purdue he can play the straight 4. Not sure that helps you guys a ton, IMO, unless you move Edwards to the 3, Davis to the 2 and hope to find someone who can run the point. I'd probably put you guys in the top three now with Maryland and IU and bump MSU down to fourth.
You might as well become a Purdue fan since you seem to like it here more than on Peegs. It reminds me of the Clampetts moving into Beverly Hills. Welldoggies!:)
 
Guys to be fair he's not that bad of a guy... Hes going to have his bias and there is certainly media hype to back it up. He seems to be about as reasonable as you could expect.


Don't forget he broke the decommit news over here yesterday
 
Guys to be fair he's not that bad of a guy... Hes going to have his bias and there is certainly media hype to back it up. He seems to be about as reasonable as you could expect.


Don't forget he broke the decommit news over here yesterday
I'll give credit where credit is due and there are portions of his posts that aren't terrible. But he also does spend an awful lot of time pimping IU here and that is where it gets "old" for me.

But, neither here nor there really ...
 
I'll give credit where credit is due and there are portions of his posts that aren't terrible. But he also does spend an awful lot of time pimping IU here and that is where it gets "old" for me.

But, neither here nor there really ...


I hear ya, it's expected tho... No opposing teams poster is going to be completely joyful. I prefer him to cpr bs I'll tell you that much
 
Yeah true. On all your points. Hell to Snu's credit, he is more supportive of Purdue than CPR is :D
I have mixed emotions... as you said earlier, he's posting a freaking ton over here. Even when I agree with what he's saying, there is an element of "geez, this guy again?" when I see his name. However, the only thread he's started here recently has been reporting the Swanigan decommitment to the board. All his other posts have been in threads already in existence because of the love (to hate) affair some people have with IU. It could be worse though I guess... remember Unreasonable Guy?
 
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How do you know the "handlers" or "money" stuff is nonsense? You don't have a clue. I agree that it's probably unlikely, but don't think for one minute if the reverse happened that you guys wouldn't be ALL over Izzo claiming he's dirty.

And yes. It's hard for people to understand a 5* kid going to Purdue over MSU and Izzo who are just coming off of a Final Four returning a big portion of that team.

I think you're probably right about position. With Davis going to MSU, he and Swanigan would probably split time between the 4/5. At Purdue he can play the straight 4. Not sure that helps you guys a ton, IMO, unless you move Edwards to the 3, Davis to the 2 and hope to find someone who can run the point. I'd probably put you guys in the top three now with Maryland and IU and bump MSU down to fourth.
Izzo is dirty.
 
How do you know the "handlers" or "money" stuff is nonsense? You don't have a clue. I agree that it's probably unlikely, but don't think for one minute if the reverse happened that you guys wouldn't be ALL over Izzo claiming he's dirty.

And yes. It's hard for people to understand a 5* kid going to Purdue over MSU and Izzo who are just coming off of a Final Four returning a big portion of that team.

I think you're probably right about position. With Davis going to MSU, he and Swanigan would probably split time between the 4/5. At Purdue he can play the straight 4. Not sure that helps you guys a ton, IMO, unless you move Edwards to the 3, Davis to the 2 and hope to find someone who can run the point. I'd probably put you guys in the top three now with Maryland and IU and bump MSU down to fourth.

You ask how do I know the money and handlers stuff is nonsense? Did you read my reasoning in the following paragraph, or did you just jump to conclusions? It's my opinion, and I back it up with some degree of reasoning. By the way, in case you don't figure it out, these are message boards and they are filled with personal opinions. Most of which are unsubstantiated. I never made any statement that this was fact. Hell, there is even some guy on here saying IU is a top-3 team in the BIG.

Caleb and his guardian aren't some getto dweeps that will jump schools at the offer of an assitant coaching spot, or a small envelope of money. Barnes is rolling in it, and doesn't need any "greese" to influence Swanigan's choices.

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Why did caleb decommit?

His camp (I hate that term but i think it is true in this case) wants him to play the 4. painter likely promised it and is trusted. Izzo likely promised it but is not trusted. Why? He promised Brandon Dawson the 3 as that was a huge deal to him and his camp. Turns out Dawson really played a great 4 and that was his role that last couple years.
 
Why did caleb decommit?

His camp (I hate that term but i think it is true in this case) wants him to play the 4. painter likely promised it and is trusted. Izzo likely promised it but is not trusted. Why? He promised Brandon Dawson the 3 as that was a huge deal to him and his camp. Turns out Dawson really played a great 4 and that was his role that last couple years.
Or the fact that Dawson showed little to no growth to his game.
 
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