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SMU banned from 2016 postseason. Nic Moore to Purdue?

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The NCAA announced their punishment for SMU's alleged violations of rules earlier today and it includes a postseason ban for this season:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...on-suspends-larry-brown-30-percent-team-games

Nic Moore could probably apply to another school as a grad transfer if he would choose to leave SMU, since this is his fifth year in school after transferring to SMU from Illinois State after his freshman season.

If he chooses to leave SMU and Purdue's scholarship situation for this season can be resolved (i.e. someone pay their own way for a season), would you be interested in him being a Boilermaker?
 
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thenagemj02 said:
The NCAA announced their punishment for SMU's alleged violations of rules a few hours ago and it includes a postseason ban for this season:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...on-suspends-larry-brown-30-percent-team-games

Nic Moore could probably apply to another school as a grad transfer if he would choose to leave SMU, since this is his fifth year in school after transferring to SMU from Illinois State after his freshman season.

If he chooses to leave SMU and Purdue's scholarship situation for this season can be resolved (i.e. someone pay their own way for a season), would you be interested in him being a Boilermaker?
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Obviously I would love for this to happen but realistically never gonna happen . (it would only make sense that) Taylor, Weatherford or Cline pay there tuition this year to get even less playing time, just doesn't sound like the right fit.
 
Mathias grew up with a basketball court inside his residence, so I would assume that his family is pretty well-off. This season might be the best chance for the Boilers to have one of their best seasons in program history. If everyone really is about the team and being as successful as possible, I would think that someone might be willing to sacrifice for the common goal. Getting Moore (hypothetically) could only improve the Boilers at the point guard position (particularly from the aspect of having a proven shooting/scoring threat). He could enroll for the spring semester.
 
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too late.

Once we signed our 5th yr transfer PG the nic moore ship sunk. Had this happened 6 months ago....yes, all for it. Now? No, dont even pursue it.
 
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If SMU appeals they could play most of the season or all of it before anything is done. Syracuse appealed 7 months ago and nothing has been done yet. Brown is 75. He could coach this year and give up afterward. I just saw all this on ESPN.
 
StateStreet123 said:
too late.

Once we signed our 5th yr transfer PG the nic moore ship sunk. Had this happened 6 months ago....yes, all for it. Now? No, dont even pursue it.
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If Moore would decide to transfer, why not pursue it? If someone is willing to make a sacrifice so that the team meets the 13 scholarships guideline, the team can only benefit from his addition.
 
thenagemj02 said:
The NCAA announced their punishment for SMU's alleged violations of rules earlier today and it includes a postseason ban for this season:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...on-suspends-larry-brown-30-percent-team-games

Nic Moore could probably apply to another school as a grad transfer if he would choose to leave SMU, since this is his fifth year in school after transferring to SMU from Illinois State after his freshman season.

If he chooses to leave SMU and Purdue's scholarship situation for this season can be resolved (i.e. someone pay their own way for a season), would you be interested in him being a Boilermaker?
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Not even a possibility.

We have no extra scholly, Moore wouldn't come here even if we had room, adding a high volume shooting PG in October would be a pretty terrible idea.

Let it die Purdue. We burned that bridge.
 
thenagemj02 said:
Mathias grew up with a basketball court inside his residence, so I would assume that his family is pretty well-off. This season might be the best chance for the Boilers to have one of their best seasons in program history. If everyone really is about the team and being as successful as possible, I would think that someone might be willing to sacrifice for the common goal. Getting Moore (hypothetically) could only improve the Boilers at the point guard position (particularly from the aspect of having a proven shooting/scoring threat). He could enroll for the spring semester.
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No. Regardless of his family's level of affluence, his commitment to the program's success should not equate to his willingness to assume $20k+ of college debt.

And who are we to ask that of him??
 
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thenagemj02 said:
The NCAA announced their punishment for SMU's alleged violations of rules earlier today and it includes a postseason ban for this season:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...on-suspends-larry-brown-30-percent-team-games

Nic Moore could probably apply to another school as a grad transfer if he would choose to leave SMU, since this is his fifth year in school after transferring to SMU from Illinois State after his freshman season.

If he chooses to leave SMU and Purdue's scholarship situation for this season can be resolved (i.e. someone pay their own way for a season), would you be interested in him being a Boilermaker?
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The only way it happens is if Moore walks on at Purdue, which isn't happening.
 
QuadBoiler2014 said:
Not even a possibility.

We have no extra scholly, Moore wouldn't come here even if we had room, adding a high volume shooting PG in October would be a pretty terrible idea.

Let it die Purdue. We burned that bridge.
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I agree to disagree with your "terrible idea" statement. I'm guessing you probably thought the addition of Jon Octeus last October was a terrible idea as well.

You don't know that (that he wouldn't come here). He grew up a Purdue fan and was considering the Boilers out of high school at Warsaw. If it's true what meenie stated, then perhaps he doesn't have a degree at this point, or won't by the end of this semester.
 
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I agree to disagree with your "terrible idea" statement. I'm guessing you probably thought the addition of Jon Octeus last October was a terrible idea as well.


You don't know that (that he wouldn't come here). He grew up a Purdue fan and was considering the Boilers out of high school at Warsaw. If it's true what meenie stated, then perhaps he doesn't have a degree at this point, or won't by the end of this semester.
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No. JO was an absolute need last year. We had 10 scholly players and only soph Bryson and freshman PJ to head up PG.

JO was a gift. Also was 100% different player than Moore.

I actually do know he wouldn't come here. We burned that bridge by not offering Moore out of HS. He had the option to come here and chose not to.

Nic Moore is absolutley not coming to Purdue. It is not a possibility.
 
QuadBoiler2014 said:
Moore wouldn't come here even if we had room.

Let it die Purdue. We burned that bridge.
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From everything I have heard from people that know Moore, this is a true statement. He felt that he got a raw deal from Painter and did not like that he wasn't offered a position here out of high school. He has moved on from liking Purdue.
 
thenagemj02 said:
If Moore would decide to transfer, why not pursue it? If someone is willing to make a sacrifice so that the team meets the 13 scholarships guideline, the team can only benefit from his addition.
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I can't imagine MP even suggesting it. Imagine MP approaching a player's father and asking him to pay his son's way because he can afford it. It would make crean's tactics seem mild by comparison.

MP coveted all of the current players and promised them and their families full rides. He has more integrity than to pull a scholarship to get a player he didn't recruit hard in the first place.
 
PUQBMan. said:
From everything I have heard from people that know Moore, this is a true statement. He felt that he got a raw deal from Painter and did not like that he wasn't offered a position here out of high school. He has moved on from liking Purdue.
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You are absolutley correct. A little more to the story than that, but that is the gist of it. Like I said, we burned that bridge.
 
SIBoiler2 said:
Who's paying their own way Zeller or Yogi? Seriously this sounds like the thinking of a delusional
IU fan.
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I agree with SI here. This sounds like the crazy Bull Crap that was floating around Peegs just before someone got Creaned. Painter doesn't work that way, besides I am not sure Moore would be that much of an upgrade anyway. He doesn't know the offense, and is a shoot first PG, which is not the kind of player we want. There was a reason Painter did not offer a scholly to Moore, and that reason is probably still there.

Now if Moore wants to walk on, that is a different matter. Otherwise the ship is full, and has moved on. You also have to remember that he has been at SMU, not the finest academic institution for athletes, and didn't even graduate.

For that matter, it remains to be seen if the Duke reject who moved to Maryland is a positive or a negative. He might be poison for all we know. I would not want to introduce the same questions into this year's solid team.

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QuadBoiler2014 said:
You are absolutley correct. A little more to the story than that, but that is the gist of it. Like I said, we burned that bridge.
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Any chance you know his high school coach Doug Ogle? I know Doug's father Mike who is not too happy with the seating re arrangements at Purdue and hasn't been to a game since. Little trivia...Doug's JV coach was the varsity coach for Carson Cunningham and Brandon Brantley...lot of Purdue blood there. I don't even consider Nic a possibility and I don't know the inside scoop on Nic for supporting evidence...other than not being offered out of high school...
 
mathboy said:
I agree with SI here. This sounds like the crazy Bull Crap that was floating around Peegs just before someone got Creaned. Painter doesn't work that way, besides I am not sure Moore would be that much of an upgrade anyway. He doesn't know the offense, and is a shoot first PG, which is not the kind of player we want. There was a reason Painter did not offer a scholly to Moore, and that reason is probably still there.

Now if Moore wants to walk on, that is a different matter. Otherwise the ship is full, and has moved on. You also have to remember that he has been at SMU, not the finest academic institution for athletes, and didn't even graduate.

For that matter, it remains to be seen if the Duke reject who moved to Maryland is a positive or a negative. He might be poison for all we know. I would not want to introduce the same questions into this year's solid team.

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Nic would absolutley be an upgtade. If this had happened in April, Purdue would be all over Nic, tho likely still would not get him. Nic if a phenominal player and would help this team greatly. I injecting into the team in October may not be the best idea. Not because he is a bad player or kid, just because he is such a high volume shooter and would only have a month to learn a new offense.

Nic would not be poison to the team. He is a kind, conciderate, fun loving guy. Had he come to Purdue at the start of the summer, he would have fit right in with the culture and team and we would likely be a preseason top 10 team. He isn't the quickest learner tho and giving a player that has been the center priece on a very good team for 2 years only 1 month to learn an entirely new system is where the bad idea comes from.

Everyone saw how we struggled in the non-con last year while JO was still learning the system and without JO it would have been much worse, that likely wouldn't happen this year. We may be better at the beggining of the season without Nic than we would be if he came in October. He isn't an absolute need like JO was last year. He may have helped is by the middle or end of B1G play and in the tourney, but would struggle at first.

Bottom line, Moore is not an option for Purdue. It is 100% not going to happen.
 
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Nic would absolutley be an upgtade. If this had happened in April, Purdue would be all over Nic, tho likely still would not get him. Nic if a phenominal player and would help this team greatly. I injecting into the team in October may not be the best idea. Not because he is a bad player or kid, just because he is such a high volume shooter and would only have a month to learn a new offense.

Nic would not be poison to the team. He is a kind, conciderate, fun loving guy. Had he come to Purdue at the start of the summer, he would have fit right in with the culture and team and we would likely be a preseason top 10 team. He isn't the quickest learner tho and giving a player that has been the center priece on a very good team for 2 years only 1 month to learn an entirely new system is where the bad idea comes from.

Everyone saw how we struggled in the non-con last year while JO was still learning the system and without JO it would have been much worse, that likely wouldn't happen this year. We may be better at the beggining of the season without Nic than we would be if he came in October. He isn't an absolute need like JO was last year. He may have helped is by the middle or end of B1G play and in the tourney, but would struggle at first.

Bottom line, Moore is not an option for Purdue. It is 100% not going to happen.
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Agree with this quadboiler. One caveat is in the non-conference. I feel we struggled more because he didnt get as much playing time as later in the year. I felt Painter was giving Bryson and others ample opportunity and JO was having to earn it (rightfully so). however, had JO been on the floor more I feel we would have won more early on.

Now on to Moore - again agree with you. I have no inside connections - just my observations. I am curious - will you please share all that went down in Moore/Painter recruitment out of high shcool and why you said 'there is more to it'. My understanding was an asst coach liked Moore but Painter wasnt sold. Thus, Painter never offered. What more is there?
 
QuadBoiler2014 said:
Nic would absolutley be an upgtade. If this had happened in April, Purdue would be all over Nic, tho likely still would not get him. Nic if a phenominal player and would help this team greatly. I injecting into the team in October may not be the best idea. Not because he is a bad player or kid, just because he is such a high volume shooter and would only have a month to learn a new offense.

Nic would not be poison to the team. He is a kind, conciderate, fun loving guy. Had he come to Purdue at the start of the summer, he would have fit right in with the culture and team and we would likely be a preseason top 10 team. He isn't the quickest learner tho and giving a player that has been the center priece on a very good team for 2 years only 1 month to learn an entirely new system is where the bad idea comes from.

Everyone saw how we struggled in the non-con last year while JO was still learning the system and without JO it would have been much worse, that likely wouldn't happen this year. We may be better at the beggining of the season without Nic than we would be if he came in October. He isn't an absolute need like JO was last year. He may have helped is by the middle or end of B1G play and in the tourney, but would struggle at first.

Bottom line, Moore is not an option for Purdue. It is 100% not going to happen.
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Thanks for the update on who Nic Moore really is. I did not know much about him except his scoring capability, and my comments in retrospect seem hurtful. I did not intend that. I simply did not know much about him and was speculating about the potential negative affects of an add to the current team at this late date.

:cool:
 
mathboy said:
Thanks for the update on who Nic Moore really is. I did not know much about him except his scoring capability, and my comments in retrospect seem hurtful. I did not intend that. I simply did not know much about him and was speculating about the potential negative affects of an add to the current team at this late date.

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You've been a bad Mathboy. Now you're grounded from Ye Olde Math Shoppe for a week:)

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StateStreet123 said:
Agree with this quadboiler. One caveat is in the non-conference. I feel we struggled more because he didnt get as much playing time as later in the year. I felt Painter was giving Bryson and others ample opportunity and JO was having to earn it (rightfully so). however, had JO been on the floor more I feel we would have won more early on.

Now on to Moore - again agree with you. I have no inside connections - just my observations. I am curious - will you please share all that went down in Moore/Painter recruitment out of high shcool and why you said 'there is more to it'. My understanding was an asst coach liked Moore but Painter wasnt sold. Thus, Painter never offered. What more is there?
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I'll share what I can. Some of the deeper details are personal and I will not share them but I will share what I can.

Nic loved Purdue. Wanted nothing more in the world than an offer and would have taken it on the spot.

Nic was a very good player in HS, but so are a ton of kids and it's hard to tell what will translate to college. To most every coach in the country, Nic was a moderate athlete with moderate speed and pretty good shooting all in a 5-9 body. Most saw him as a 5-9 shooting guard because he was literally the only good player on Warsaw's team, so he kinda had to be the main shooter. Didn't play the best competition either being up north.

Nic was also not the best student. Nothing to make him ineligible, but it would take a lot of work to keep his grades up at Purdue.

Nic basically asked Painter for a scholly and Painter basically said if you want to be on the team, you can walk on. It wasn't as cold sounding as that as we all know Painter, but that's how the gist of it went.

After that, the shine of Purdue was lost on Nic and even when transferring from ISU he was offered a scholly from Purdue and the staff really wanted him but he denied it and went to SMU.

Coming out of HS, no one thought Nic Moore would transform into the player he is today. No one is to blame here. This isn't a Painter screw up, just a situation that played out badly. Hindsight is 20/20. Wish we could have Nic. Love the guy, but this ship has sailed a long time ago.
 
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1. He has not yet graduated, therefore he can't be an immediate player.
2. Even as a walkon he would have to red shirt which would expire his eligibility so he would never play for Purdue.
3. We don't need him.
4. Ain't gonna happen and time to stop rehashing this whole story. Just like the Plumlee's this is water under a bridge that left 4 years ago.
 
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Idiotic to think we would ask someone to give up their scholarship for a year. IF IF IF IF IF IF Nic Moore decided he would walk on OMG that would make our lineup top 10. Would also answer redshirt questions easier.
 
takedownboiler said:
Idiotic to think we would ask someone to give up their scholarship for a year. IF IF IF IF IF IF Nic Moore decided he would walk on OMG that would make our lineup top 10. Would also answer redshirt questions easier.
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Even IF he wanted to walk on, which that is not even a thought going through his head, he would not be able to play this year.
 
Why wouldn't he? Grad transfers are immediately eligible. He's not able to transfer anywhere and sit out. He has one year left that's it.
 
thenagemj02 said:
If Moore would decide to transfer, why not pursue it? If someone is willing to make a sacrifice so that the team meets the 13 scholarships guideline, the team can only benefit from his addition.
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If you are all for someone to give up an earned scholarship perhaps you should volunteer to pay that players tuition....all for the "common good", right???
 
I don't know one way or the other. With all the speculation over him. I figured he def was a graduate already. I do know he has zero chance to just straight transfer and sit out. So he must have graduated.
 
"have a current player pay their own way so we can offer another kid (like nic moore) a scholarship"
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i've always been fascinated by people who think this. Say you are a parent of a college athlete. He has busted his a** for years at his sport and is one of the rare few who earns a college scholarship. Now, in college he busts it even harder. Huge time commitment. Lots of work. And still doesnt get the chance to play much as he would like - biggest contributions so far have come in practice. But he remains hopeful for his opportunity to play - and KNOWS he can help the team if given the chance. And now, as a parent, you say "Gee, i'll pay for my kids tuition so another one can come in for free and drop my son on the depth chart / roster". I know that sounds selfish, and I have no problems with better players getting the PT. But actually paying for it so a kid plays in front of your own?
 
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I don't know one way or the other. With all the speculation over him. I figured he def was a graduate already. I do know he has zero chance to just straight transfer and sit out. So he must have graduated.
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I don't think he has any options to transfer. I'm nearly positive he has not graduated and will not even this semester. Not for sure but I'm pretty confident that he has not graduated. He also has already used a redshirt year so he can't transfer and sit out.
 
"I can't imagine MP even suggesting it. Imagine MP approaching a player's father and asking him to pay his son's way because he can afford it. It would make crean's tactics seem mild by comparison."


I wasn't saying that I thought CMP should ask a player to give up a scholarship in this hypothetical. I was looking at it from the perspective of a player volunteering to pay their own way. I know I mentioned Mathias' name, but it could be any of the scholarship players. According to a few posters, Nic Moore hasn't gotten a degree yet, so as mentioned several times already, it's not a possibility. Basically, my question has been answered.
 
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If you are all for someone to give up an earned scholarship perhaps you should volunteer to pay that players tuition....all for the "common good", right???
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I was suggesting the idea from the perspective of a player volunteering to do so, which would then imply that said player would be able to afford to do that. The information that I was unaware of is that Moore doesn't have a degree yet, so this hypothetical has no possibility of occurring.
 
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