Who knows he may be. Wouldn’t be a surprise if another attempt on Trump happens again. People will do anything to stop him are being egged on by several media outlets.Watching the Vance Walz debate.
IF ONLY VANCE WAS THE NOMINEE. Vance is smart, in command of facts, and thinks on his feet.
Both Vance and Walz are partisan, but both are sane, sober, and logical.
That’s so very completely not the point. The point was that it is refreshing to hear a Republican candidate that speaks coherently.Who knows he may be. Wouldn’t be a surprise if another attempt on Trump happens again. People will do anything to stop him are being egged on by several media outlets.
OK! Just saying you may get Vance as the Republican presidential candidate before all is said and done. Not wishing any ill will on Trump, but some of these people will stop at nothing to eliminate him.That’s so very completely not the point. The point was that it is refreshing to hear a Republican candidate that speaks coherently.
But nice try.
Fair enough. My point was that Vance is a thinking, lucid Republican. It’s wonderful to be reminded that someday that will be an option.OK! Just saying you may get Vance as the Republican presidential candidate before all is said and done. Not wishing any ill will on Trump, but some of these people will stop at nothing to eliminate him.
You did post if only Vance was the nominee. Sounded like that was the point of your post.
He also is a completely untrustworthy individual who did a complete and total 180 on trump to further his political career. Unfortunately he's not unique in that regard.Fair enough. My point was that Vance is a thinking, lucid Republican. It’s wonderful to be reminded that someday that will be an option.
Watching the Vance Walz debate.
IF ONLY VANCE WAS THE NOMINEE. Vance is smart, in command of facts, and thinks on his feet.
Both Vance and Walz are partisan, but both are sane, sober, and logical.
Last night's debate was similar to the Nixon/Kennedy debate where Walz was sweating. looking older than he is. And Vance was cool and calm even though what came out of his mouth was BS.My wife said who watched it.....
"Can we get these two as the candidates, they are both better than the top of their ticket"
Btw ....she was over the top about how well JDV did. Thought he hit it out of the park.
She was confused about TW saying he was friends with school shooters? (He surely didn't say that did he??). And although she liked TW performance in general, except something about his China answer? ....she thought JDV was on another level.
Caught some of it myself, but can't wait to watch it all after her report. Was on basketball board through most of it. But big picture......don't think it will matter much as VP debates don't.
ha ha.. Bob, do you have VDS now?He also is a completely untrustworthy individual who did a complete and total 180 on trump to further his political career. Unfortunately he's not unique in that regard.
No, not like that at all. This is Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio kinds of reversals. The ones you prefer to ignore.ha ha.. Bob, do you have VDS now?
You talk about Vance reversing his opinion on Trump. Is that similar to Harris now winning a single delegate in the primaries but as soon as she's the undemocratically appointed nominee, she's hailed as the next Obama?
That's politics and politicians. When has a pol not reversed course when it served their best interests or those of their constituents. Both sides do it. Sort of like all the people defending Biden's mental acuity, that is, until the day he dropped out.No, not like that at all. This is Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio kinds of reversals. The ones you prefer to ignore.
100%That's politics and politicians. When has a pol not reversed course when it served their best interests or those of their constituents. Both sides do it. Sort of like all the people defending Biden's mental acuity, that is, until the day he dropped out.
We're not talking about a policy reversal here. This is a man who completely compromised his beliefs for political opportunity. But character, judgement, and self discipline don't matter to you so your position is not surprising.That's politics and politicians. When has a pol not reversed course when it served their best interests or those of their constituents. Both sides do it. Sort of like all the people defending Biden's mental acuity, that is, until the day he dropped out.
Vance (and Harris) have the ability to choose words carefully in a real-time, active presentation
Harris on policy or waffling on committing to policies? Not good.Harris?? LOL.
After her many word salads and meaningless babbles, you might be the the only NON far left DEM to think that. Thanks for the laugh.
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Harris on policy or waffling on committing to policies? Not good.
But the 'word salad' narrative on Harris is pure myth. She is out in public speaking all of the time and for the vast majority of the time she is quite good at it. Vance is excellent at it. Walz is fine; not as good as Vance or Harris, but fine. Trump is a complete disaster.
Some out of context sound bites in a lifetime of public speaking are destined to be less than optimum.
For instance;
What bothers me is when a candidate is clearly compromised in their ability to communicate well enough to be a leader (Biden), or when a candidate's deliberate, repeated words are the antithesis of good leadership qualities (Trump).
- Vance made that "childless cat ladies" snarky comment in front of a partisan audience a few years ago. So what. It just doesn't matter and isn't a derogatory reflection on his ability to communicate well.
- Similarly, last night Walz was speaking too quickly and said "I've become friends with school shooters" when he clearly meant that he's become friends with families of school shooters. So what. It just doesn't matter.
And please don't merely respond to this post with a laugh emoji if you disagree -- say so and say why; if you are a fan of effective communication show some yourself.
I think the Biden/basement strategy is in play.Yes K2 can read a speech prompter. She does that well. She memorized her answers to subject matter questions and sounded reasonably coherent at the debate.
But after the Oprah interview, which followed her previous many many word salad answers, no one serious can say she is an effective communicator on her feet.
Her own people know this to be true. Why do you think they won't let her do a long press conference?
Until the day he was forced out. The threat to democracy lives on.That's politics and politicians. When has a pol not reversed course when it served their best interests or those of their constituents. Both sides do it. Sort of like all the people defending Biden's mental acuity, that is, until the day he dropped out.
True.Until the day he was forced out. The threat to democracy lives on.
I think the Biden/basement strategy is in play.
There is a real, proven to be successful, mindset that if the election is about Trump the Dems will win.
It happens in down-ballot races to the Dem's benefit too. That's why last night was a very good one for the Republicans; Vance was in front of a national audience, not Trump. Whereas the Dems are very much a fan of voters hearing as much of Trump as possible.
You want unscripted? So does Harris - she is practically begging Trump to do a second debate - no notes or teleprompters involved.
Not so fast my friend. Biden being force out being the elected candidate by the voting public and Harris appointed by the DNC with no one voting for her is the threat to democracy. Go to the polls and vote, but it doesn’t matter. Democrats will do whatever they want regardless of the people’s vote.True.
Biden has been forced out, and the Trump threat to democracy lives on.