Shazville Carter 6ft 9in 240lbs offerred for 2018

[PU52Chevy]

PF Juco from Eastern Florida....turning some heads this week with a 20pt performance.....

Has Big Ten body and looks like a great fit for Purdue:

Shaq is far right at bottom.


TW and SC would solidify the 4 spot for Purdue for years......

It would let J. Taylor play the 5 spot his senior year and Ewing starting at the 3/4 spot his senior year with TW and SC tag teaming the minutes at the 4 spot.

Shaq is very athletic and would fit in nicely IMO good compliment to TW until he gets healthy.

Lets Haarms roam around the 4 and 5 spot depending on team matchups.

Add Dowuona or any other true center and Purdue will have reloaded on bigs.

Love what the coaching staff is doing.....Boiler Up!

 

[Wolegib]

ok, I guess. I'm more for starters and role players than splitting up every position to a 20/20 minute split. I'd rather see all of our starters play 25-30 minutes.

it says he's a juco and would be a 2018 target. Does that mean he'd have 2 or 3 years left?

 

[Boiler Buck]

Sounds like this guy and THT were the only summer offers so far.....at least that I can think of....THT is backup plan to Anderson... So this guy backup plan to Dowuona and Bates.

 

[paintball1979]

Of the offers we have out there and the offeree is a Purdue lean, I would think there has to be some angst about pulling the trigger pretty quickly. CMP is building a lot of momentum at a class institution, with an AD that is also on the rise. That open roster spot could close pretty quickly and a guy could lose out on a golden opportunity.

 

[PU52Chevy]

ok, I guess. I'm more for starters and role players than splitting up every position to a 20/20 minute split. I'd rather see all of our starters play 25-30 minutes.

it says he's a juco and would be a 2018 target. Does that mean he'd have 2 or 3 years left?

Yes 3 years to play two.....

I think he is a good offer because two fold:

1) If TW doesn't recover as quick with the foot injury and it lingers like it did for J. Taylor, you have a athletic big man that could get more minutes and you don't miss a beat.

2) At 6ft 9in 240 he could slide down and play the 5 spot if J. Taylor happens to have issues with any of his past injuries.

Plus I think CMP sees that Bates and Dowuona are blowing up and it is good to keep all options open.

If you watch some of S. Carters videos, he is very fluid, runs the floor and solid all around game suited for the Big Ten.

Like some have said here I he sees the value in the offer and jumps on it.

Boiler Up!

 

[dumpsterFyre]

Usually, a new unheralded offer is a negative sign for an existing recruiting effort. Hoping otherwise.

 

[hoosierdog1]

Usually, a new unheralded offer is a negative sign for assign existing recruiting effort. Hoping otherwise.

Thinking the same thing.Hope I'm wrong.

 

[olafmetal]

Usually, a new unheralded offer is a negative sign for an existing recruiting effort. Hoping otherwise.

I think TW was the number one target at that position. Maybe this is a hedge against some of the center prospects losing interest. but since I think we got our man this looks like depth building

 

[Wolegib]

I would agree with the last two posts. This seems like plan B or C. and usually, you only explore plan C when plan a is giving you doubts. Rather than having a lot of contingency plans, and a lot of options, I'd love for CMP to lock down Plan A.

 

[Beeazlebub]

Neither his video nor his offer sheet support the idea that this kid is some sort of back-up plan. Looks like he can play to me!

 

[mathboy]

I would agree with the last two posts. This seems like plan B or C. and usually, you only explore plan C when plan a is giving you doubts. Rather than having a lot of contingency plans, and a lot of options, I'd love for CMP to lock down Plan A.

You guys all recall G-Rob3, right? He was a late offer by UM. Obviously a plan B or C, right? Actually, I don't think he was plan B or C. He just blew up late in the recruiting cycle. Would you say this kid is a late bloomer?

 

[Roeder]

Neither his video nor his offer sheet support the idea that this kid is some sort of back-up plan. Looks like he can play to me!

I agree, looks like he can play in the B1G. I believe he was offered because:

1. The staff thinks he can play immediately as a physical 4/5 and lessen the blow of losing Haas down low. Looks like a good rebounder and finishes strong at rim.

2. A juco in this class will help balance out scholarship distribution by placing another player as a Jr with Carsen in 18-19.

3. You have to keep casting a wide net with talented players. Keep recruiting Dowuona, Bates, and Penn-Johnson hard, but offer someone else if you think they fit Purdue mold and are on the same level as those 3. 1st to commit gets that spot.

4. Kansas and Louisville are sniffing around for Dowuona, and I have a feeling he is holding out for them. This puts pressure on him and the others if they are really high on Purdue.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I agree, looks like he can play in the B1G. I believe he was offered because:

1. The staff thinks he can play immediately as a physical 4/5 and lessen the blow of losing Haas down low. Looks like a good rebounder and finishes strong at rim.

2. A juco in this class will help balance out scholarship distribution by placing another player as a Jr with Carsen in 18-19.

3. You have to keep casting a wide net with talented players. Keep recruiting Dowuona, Bates, and Penn-Johnson hard, but offer someone else if you think they fit Purdue mold and are on the same level as those 3. 1st to commit gets that spot.

4. Kansas and Louisville are sniffing around for Dowuona, and I have a feeling he is holding out for them. This puts pressure on him and the others if they are really high on Purdue.

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Penn Johnson just got an offer from Kansas so thinking our odds dropped for landing him.

Still think we have a solid shot at Dowuona but agree more offers show him that we aren't waiting around if we find something better

 

[Wolegib]

As I said, all of your follow-ups list other players you'd prefer over this recruit. You're making up contingencies for the possible loss. . it's as if you expect painter to lose out to schools like Kansas and Louisville. it's as if you're giving up! We must RISE to the challenge! So my comment remains. I wish Painter could nail down plan A rather than adding plans B , C, D, and next month plan E. I think we are all in agreement, we prefer plan A over plan E. it doesn't matter how great plan E is, plan A is still much better.

JJJ was Plan A. Langsford was Plan A. C Edwards was actually plan B or C. PJ was plan H. Cline was plan C. PJ and Cline aren't bad. but if painter had landed Plan A, I doubt anybody would be upset or really care about Plan C.

if we landed JJJ, would anybody be upset if we didn't sign Ewing ? if we had signed Epperson, would you be upset if we didn't sign Haarms? if we signed Langsford, would anybody be upset about any signing, period?

if we had a team with Langsford, JJJ, Epperson and C and V Edwards, would you be upset ? or would you prefer Painter to continue to make offers to even more recruits? Admit it, you love these other offers and recruits because your confidence in Painter signing the players you really want is rather low.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

As I said, all of your follow-ups list other players you'd prefer over this recruit. You're making up contingencies for the possible loss. . it's as if you expect painter to lose out to schools like Kansas and Louisville. it's as if you're giving up! We must RISE to the challenge! So my comment remains. I wish Painter could nail down plan A rather than adding plans B , C, D, and next month plan E. I think we are all in agreement, we prefer plan A over plan E. it doesn't matter how great plan E is, plan A is still much better.

JJJ was Plan A. Langsford was Plan A. C Edwards was actually plan B or C. PJ was plan H. Cline was plan C. PJ and Cline aren't bad. but if painter had landed Plan A, I doubt anybody would be upset or really care about Plan C.

if we landed JJJ, would anybody be upset if we didn't sign Ewing ? if we had signed Epperson, would you be upset if we didn't sign Haarms? if we signed Langsford, would anybody be upset about any signing, period?

if we had a team with Langsford, JJJ, Epperson and C and V Edwards, would you be upset ? or would you prefer Painter to continue to make offers to even more recruits? Admit it, you love these other offers and recruits because your confidence in Painter signing the players you really want is rather low.

Who is Langsford?

 

[PurdueBtfu2]

You guys all recall G-Rob3, right? He was a late offer by UM. Obviously a plan B or C, right? Actually, I don't think he was plan B or C. He just blew up late in the recruiting cycle. Would you say this kid is a late bloomer?

Possibly. Although he is a JUCO. And he had an earlier offer from Iowa State.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

As I said, all of your follow-ups list other players you'd prefer over this recruit. You're making up contingencies for the possible loss. . it's as if you expect painter to lose out to schools like Kansas and Louisville. it's as if you're giving up! We must RISE to the challenge! So my comment remains. I wish Painter could nail down plan A rather than adding plans B , C, D, and next month plan E. I think we are all in agreement, we prefer plan A over plan E. it doesn't matter how great plan E is, plan A is still much better.

JJJ was Plan A. Langsford was Plan A. C Edwards was actually plan B or C. PJ was plan H. Cline was plan C. PJ and Cline aren't bad. but if painter had landed Plan A, I doubt anybody would be upset or really care about Plan C.

if we landed JJJ, would anybody be upset if we didn't sign Ewing ? if we had signed Epperson, would you be upset if we didn't sign Haarms? if we signed Langsford, would anybody be upset about any signing, period?

if we had a team with Langsford, JJJ, Epperson and C and V Edwards, would you be upset ? or would you prefer Painter to continue to make offers to even more recruits? Admit it, you love these other offers and recruits because your confidence in Painter signing the players you really want is rather low.

Actually PJ was a much higher priority than you think. CMP needed a player who fit an exact mold and PJT gave him exactly that. As a former staff member once told me: 'PJT won't wow anyone but he'll likely leave as a leader in either A/TO ratio or something like that. Kid is just solid and keeps the players around him steady...not too high but never too low.'

I think that individual's assessment when PJT was a senior has been spot on.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

As I said, all of your follow-ups list other players you'd prefer over this recruit. You're making up contingencies for the possible loss. . it's as if you expect painter to lose out to schools like Kansas and Louisville. it's as if you're giving up! We must RISE to the challenge! So my comment remains. I wish Painter could nail down plan A rather than adding plans B , C, D, and next month plan E. I think we are all in agreement, we prefer plan A over plan E. it doesn't matter how great plan E is, plan A is still much better.

JJJ was Plan A. Langsford was Plan A. C Edwards was actually plan B or C. PJ was plan H. Cline was plan C. PJ and Cline aren't bad. but if painter had landed Plan A, I doubt anybody would be upset or really care about Plan C.

if we landed JJJ, would anybody be upset if we didn't sign Ewing ? if we had signed Epperson, would you be upset if we didn't sign Haarms? if we signed Langsford, would anybody be upset about any signing, period?

if we had a team with Langsford, JJJ, Epperson and C and V Edwards, would you be upset ? or would you prefer Painter to continue to make offers to even more recruits? Admit it, you love these other offers and recruits because your confidence in Painter signing the players you really want is rather low.

Personally, I like the offers because CMP and his staff are extending them. No where have I seen a Donny Hale or Jacob Lawson type of offer yet...these players that are being given offers are still high level players. Have you ever thought that the bottom of the barrel has gotten much smaller for Purdue with CMP showing he is able to rebuild his program and the initial offers and interest he is fielding are overall much higher quality...thus his Plan B and Plan C offers are actually still high quality players. Don't forget, Carsen would be considered a Plan C because he was the third offer for guards after Simpson decommited.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Don't forget, Carsen would be considered a Plan C because he was the third offer for guards after Simpson decommited.

Yep and some of the usual 'experts' on here didn't want him at all because they thought they knew better.

Painter is offering some very good players and even his 'backups' to the 'backups' would be starters on a lot of teams.

 

[77 grad]

Personally, I like the offers because CMP and his staff are extending them. No where have I seen a Donny Hale or Jacob Lawson type of offer yet...these players that are being given offers are still high level players. Have you ever thought that the bottom of the barrel has gotten much smaller for Purdue with CMP showing he is able to rebuild his program and the initial offers and interest he is fielding are overall much higher quality...thus his Plan B and Plan C offers are actually still high quality players. Don't forget, Carsen would be considered a Plan C because he was the third offer for guards after Simpson decommited.

Think it was C.J. Walker who decommitted. We did pursue Simpson.

Carsen may turn out the best of the three.

 

[oldboiler52]

He is not a back up plan ! Greg Gary has been on him for awhile now . He is a high quality player and clearly not considered as a plan B . He can play multiple positions and comes from a high quality juco program . They were National Juco Champion runner up having lost in the championship game to Hutchison ( 35- 2 ) . Every player on his juco team has a D1 offer . He has offers from several quality programs including X , Iowa St , Auburn , Memphis and more . You'll never see defense on a high light clip and that is where he hangs his hat . If you get hung up on rankings you'll get hung out to dry . IMO he fits the plan for no positions because he can guard multiple positions . He also see's what Biggie is doing in summer league and his game is similar ( he plays the 4-5 ) . If we land him I would consider it as a win . Loosing 4 seniors adding a upper classman is a win . Trevion Williams was the #1 targeted big man IMO or at least he received the most attention . Having him in place now we need to put players around him Carter fills that need .

 

[Wolegib]

There is a difference in the statement in being called would be a starter for a lot of teams and being called a potential starter on a final four team.

And that is where the issue and criticism comes from.

All of the players Painter has offered would/could be starters on many teams. But how many would start for Louisville, UK, Duke or Kansas.?

Sure this guy or that guy is a nice player. But is he an impact player? Can he carry this team on his back to the final 4? There is a difference. There are 300-500 athletes every year that are nice players and would start for some team. But how many that could lead a team to a championship. Many here thought we had a potential final 4 team last year. But we saw in the BIG 10 tournament and NCAA tournament that we had a nice team, but it was nowhere close to being a final 4 team. We almost lost to both ISU and Vermont before getting blown away by Kansas.

There are a lot of nice players out there. Pardon my lack of excitement when we offer a scholarship to a nice player. Is Phinisee or Carmody a player who is going to lead his respective team to a final 4? I doubt it. To me, they are both nice players to have, but not ones that would start for elite programs.

I believe we need to be more honest, and realistic when describing a player

 

[hoosierdog1]

He is not a back up plan ! Greg Gary has been on him for awhile now . He is a high quality player and clearly not considered as a plan B . He can play multiple positions and comes from a high quality juco program . They were National Juco Champion runner up having lost in the championship game to Hutchison ( 35- 2 ) . Every player on his juco team has a D1 offer . He has offers from several quality programs including X , Iowa St , Auburn , Memphis and more . You'll never see defense on a high light clip and that is where he hangs his hat . If you get hung up on rankings you'll get hung out to dry . IMO he fits the plan for no positions because he can guard multiple positions . He also see's what Biggie is doing in summer league and his game is similar ( he plays the 4-5 ) . If we land him I would consider it as a win . Loosing 4 seniors adding a upper classman is a win . Trevion Williams was the #1 targeted big man IMO or at least he received the most attention . Having him in place now we need to put players around him Carter fills that need .

In your opinion who are the players in the 2018 class PU has the best chance of getting? TIA

 

[mathboy]

He is not a back up plan ! Greg Gary has been on him for awhile now . He is a high quality player and clearly not considered as a plan B . He can play multiple positions and comes from a high quality juco program . They were National Juco Champion runner up having lost in the championship game to Hutchison ( 35- 2 ) . Every player on his juco team has a D1 offer . He has offers from several quality programs including X , Iowa St , Auburn , Memphis and more . You'll never see defense on a high light clip and that is where he hangs his hat . If you get hung up on rankings you'll get hung out to dry . IMO he fits the plan for no positions because he can guard multiple positions . He also see's what Biggie is doing in summer league and his game is similar ( he plays the 4-5 ) . If we land him I would consider it as a win . Loosing 4 seniors adding a upper classman is a win . Trevion Williams was the #1 targeted big man IMO or at least he received the most attention . Having him in place now we need to put players around him Carter fills that need .

I suspected this. Thanks for confirming. Good to know we are in tight with our plan A guy!
Thanks for the input!

 

[Dakota Girl]

Yep and some of the usual 'experts' on here didn't want him at all because they thought they knew better.

Painter is offering some very good players and even his 'backups' to the 'backups' would be starters on a lot of teams.

These experts you ridicule have decades of Dungeons and Dragons experience from which to base their thinking. How dare you disagree!

 

[krazyjvilled]

I live down the road and know the coach of eastern florida somehwat and know one of their assistant coaches extremely well.. hes one of my close friends. I will ask my friend the assistant coach about his take on this kid and get back to you guys

 

[BoiledSteel]

I believe we need to be more honest, and realistic when describing a player

Based on the rest of your hogwash in your post, I'll take your assessments with a massive grain of salt from here out because frankly you are none of what I quoted.

 

[Boiler Buck]

He is not a back up plan ! Greg Gary has been on him for awhile now . He is a high quality player and clearly not considered as a plan B . He can play multiple positions and comes from a high quality juco program . They were National Juco Champion runner up having lost in the championship game to Hutchison ( 35- 2 ) . Every player on his juco team has a D1 offer . He has offers from several quality programs including X , Iowa St , Auburn , Memphis and more . You'll never see defense on a high light clip and that is where he hangs his hat . If you get hung up on rankings you'll get hung out to dry . IMO he fits the plan for no positions because he can guard multiple positions . He also see's what Biggie is doing in summer league and his game is similar ( he plays the 4-5 ) . If we land him I would consider it as a win . Loosing 4 seniors adding a upper classman is a win . Trevion Williams was the #1 targeted big man IMO or at least he received the most attention . Having him in place now we need to put players around him Carter fills that need .

Still since they have been on Dowuona, Bates and also this kid Carter a long time.....given they offered Dowuona and Bates first it tells me they like them better....competition is heating up for Dow and Bates so they extend another offer to Carter.

Like other said above....that might indicate CMP is not close to landing Dow or Bates?? Not saying this guy is not a great player, just saying that staff have been on all three bigs for sometime, and the fact that they waited to offer Carter shows me the staff prefers the other two.....but they are not going to wait around if Carter wants to be a Boiler as he is not that much of a drop off.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I live down the road and know the coach of eastern florida somehwat and know one of their assistant coaches extremely well.. hes one of my close friends. I will ask my friend the assistant coach about his take on this kid and get back to you guys

Yum, yum. Conch Chowder and Key Lime Pie. The perfect lunch after coral diving in the morning.

 

[BoiledSteel]

but they are not going to wait around

To me that is the approach we should take with all the recruits we go after. If you give off the persona that you aren't going to wait and be someone's backup plan, that gives off the stigma that your offer is some special to get.

For far too long under the last AD it was pretty apparent that the reverse was what was happening and we were just waiting around for the scraps or to get lucky and find a diamond in the rough as it were. So one recruit wants to make us wait? Fine, we'll move on to the next and not drop off much as it appears. With the way players develop under CMP for the most part, a drop off can be corrected.

People do need to be patient though as this whole stereotype Purdue may have will take some time to squash. Thankfully we have the AD in place to help make it happen.

 

[krazyjvilled]

Ill copy and paste what my frend who is an assistant at eastern flordia said below about him.

Shaq Started for us as a freshman and took us all the way to the national finals. He's got a high Motor, rebounds on offense and defense, finishes strong at the rim. He had 6 double doubles as a freshman with 39 blocked shots and he averaged only 21 minutes a game. The jump he has made this summer has been incredible. He is HM guy and wherever he chooses to go will not only get a stud athlete but a good quality kid.

 

[krazyjvilled]

Yum, yum. Conch Chowder and Key Lime Pie. The perfect lunch after coral diving in the morning.

Lol the school is in palm bay/melbourne area as am I.. about 4 hours north of the keys lol

 

[GemstateBoiler]

He is not a back up plan ! Greg Gary has been on him for awhile now . He is a high quality player and clearly not considered as a plan B . He can play multiple positions and comes from a high quality juco program . They were National Juco Champion runner up having lost in the championship game to Hutchison ( 35- 2 ) . Every player on his juco team has a D1 offer . He has offers from several quality programs including X , Iowa St , Auburn , Memphis and more . You'll never see defense on a high light clip and that is where he hangs his hat . If you get hung up on rankings you'll get hung out to dry . IMO he fits the plan for no positions because he can guard multiple positions . He also see's what Biggie is doing in summer league and his game is similar ( he plays the 4-5 ) . If we land him I would consider it as a win . Loosing 4 seniors adding a upper classman is a win . Trevion Williams was the #1 targeted big man IMO or at least he received the most attention . Having him in place now we need to put players around him Carter fills that need .

And if he ends up being really good he can have a town named after his first name without even a blink.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Ill copy and paste what my frend who is an assistant at eastern flordia said below about him.

Shaq Started for us as a freshman and took us all the way to the national finals. He's got a high Motor, rebounds on offense and defense, finishes strong at the rim. He had 6 double doubles as a freshman with 39 blocked shots and he averaged only 21 minutes a game. The jump he has made this summer has been incredible. He is HM guy and wherever he chooses to go will not only get a stud athlete but a good quality kid.

Sign him. But I know nothing, nothing.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Think it was C.J. Walker who decommitted. We did pursue Simpson.

Carsen may turn out the best of the three.

this shows how recruiting can be partially luck as well.

sometimes it works out best with who you do land, even if they were not one of the staff's initial offers

 

[GemstateBoiler]

this shows how recruiting can be partially luck as well.

sometimes it works out best with who you do land, even if they were not one of the staff's initial offers

Exactly. So many factors like grades, injuries, chemistry, desire, even homesickness can change things after they're on campus.

 

[Wolegib]

These experts you ridicule have decades of Dungeons and Dragons experience from which to base their thinking. How dare you disagree!

I was a ranger and paladin and own the original first printing of the Dungeon Master's manual. and the third edition of the monster manual. and the 5th edition of the players manual. they are all three worth more than some of you make in a year.

 

[mathboy]

I was a ranger and paladin and own the original first printing of the Dungeon Master's manual. and the third edition of the monster manual. and the 5th edition of the players manual. they are all three worth more than some of you make in a year.

Thanks for the laugh! It has been a slow day so far, so I appreciate this.

We all know that very people can be expert in all things. Good to know where your expertise is. Keep plugging away fellow Boiler.

 

[Wolegib]

Based on the rest of your hogwash in your post, I'll take your assessments with a massive grain of salt from here out because frankly you are none of what I quoted.

I'm positive every recruit that Painter has offered, signed and started could start for SOME teams. Swanigan was almost the player of the year this year. if he had started for UK or MSU, would he have had the same type of year? As I look back, how many other players who have played at Purdue would have started for UK or Duke or Kansas or even received an offer?

Posters constantly talk about Purdue finally having a team that is ready to compete for the Final 4. In order to do so, they are going to have to compete with players the elite schools passed over. In order to improve over our past fortunes, we need to add players who are better than our current ones.

Shazville Carter seems like a nice player. Pardon me for wanting Oturu, Bingham, Johns, Dow, and Hauser instead. A simple question. if Bingham, Johns, Dow or Hauser had committed to us, would Painter have any interest in Carter? if Carmody committed, would painter have any interest in Hunter? Are we still pursuing Langford? or did we give up and move on? I know Caarter is good. But, is he as good as the other 4 players I mentioned? and I should I be happy if we missed out on the first four choices and we signed Carter?

 

[Wolegib]

Thanks for the laugh! It has been a slow day so far, so I appreciate this.

We all know that very people can be expert in all things. Good to know where your expertise is. Keep plugging away fellow Boiler.

I don't make magic or try to heal people. I'm not a fighter or an illusionist or a thief! I've learned to win in life, I need the help of others. and when the odds are against me, I look for different solutions or ways to tilt the game in my favor rather than to just accept the fate of the Dungeon master's will. And yes, I have some very lucky dice that roll a lot of 20's. they come in handy some times. Do I cheat ? No ! but I don't give up or accept the rules as written either.