Religious leader: "The tragedy is that more of them didn't die."

[lbodel]

'Well, aren't you sad that 50 sodomites died?' Here's the problem with that, it's like the equivalent of asking me, 'Well, aren't you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?'" "No, I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think that Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight."

"I'm kind of upset that he didn't finish the job because these people are predators." "They are abusers, they take advantage of people."

Nope, not a "radical Islamic" leader but a Baptist pastor in Sacramento.

Guess we should ban all Christians coming in the country too! Do you think Obama sympathizes with him too!? Geez! He should probably not be arrested though, right? But if he was Muslim he probably should be!!

 

[lbodel]

Actually, I'm sorry that I posted this.

This is a time not to speak about how to possibly fix something in this country that's a clear problem. It's a time for mourning and praying. Because all of the praying we do after all of these mass shootings has really helped solve it.

 

[kescwi]

Actually, I'm sorry that I posted this.

This is a time not to speak about how to possibly fix something in this country that's a clear problem. It's a time for mourning and praying. Because all of the praying we do after all of these mass shootings has really helped solve it.

So no one should reflect on and contemplate these issues? Seek answers inside themselves regarding this? Is that really what you mean to say? Hell I'm trying to figure out what you're saying, Christians are bad because of this dip shit? What?

 

[lbodel]

I also forgot to mention we should focus all of our efforts on mental health because that's the problem.


Anyone want to guess what state has the worst mental health funding in the country!?

 

[lbodel]

So no one should reflect on and contemplate these issues? Seek answers inside themselves regarding this? Is that really what you mean to say? Hell I'm trying to figure out what you're saying, Christians are bad because of this dip shit? What?

It's called sarcasm.

Sorry I need to go pray now, have a moment of silence and cross my fingers it won't happen again!! Because nothing we can do can possibly fix any of this

 

[ecouch]

ISIS like statements permeate Christian groups.

Listen to the cheers.

 

[kescwi]

ISIS like statements permeate Christian groups.

Listen to the cheers.

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Was that filmed at Notre Dame or the larger Protestant college in Indiana?

 

[ecouch]

Was that filmed at Notre Dame or the larger Protestant college in Indiana?

Well played.

Given the fact that it was a young boy, I would have went with the Vatican.

 

[kescwi]

It's called sarcasm.

Sorry I need to go pray now, have a moment of silence and cross my fingers it won't happen again!! Because nothing we can do can possibly fix any of this

Yeah, sorry I missed the sarcasm.

So what solution do you have that im apparently missing out on? I mean I thought you were mocking prayer and then you said it was sarcasm, but edited in what appears to be more sarcasm. Not going to deny I'm lost at what you're trying to say.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

'Well, aren't you sad that 50 sodomites died?' Here's the problem with that, it's like the equivalent of asking me, 'Well, aren't you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?'" "No, I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think that Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight."

"I'm kind of upset that he didn't finish the job because these people are predators." "They are abusers, they take advantage of people."

Nope, not a "radical Islamic" leader but a Baptist pastor in Sacramento.

Guess we should ban all Christians coming in the country too! Do you think Obama sympathizes with him too!? Geez! He should probably not be arrested though, right? But if he was Muslim he probably should be!!

You don't see any difference between what that "pastor" said, and slaughtering 49 people? Wow, quite the mental gymnast you are.

Iran talks about wiping Israel off the map, and Obama does nothing. He must be an anti-Semite.

 

[lbodel]

Yeah, sorry I missed the sarcasm.

So what solution do you have that im apparently missing out on? I mean I thought you were mocking prayer and then you said it was sarcasm, but edited in what appears to be more sarcasm. Not going to deny I'm lost at what you're trying to say.

The point is that when mass shootings happen, many Republicans deflect and say it is not appropriate to talk about things like gun laws because we should be mourning and praying. But then obviously as time goes on, they don't have to face those questions anymore.

When asked what Americans can do to help, the Governor of Florida said: “Just pray,” Scott said. “Pray for the victims, pray for their families, pray that this never happens again.”

Yes, let's pray it never happens again - even though there's been more than 10 mass shootings in Florida alone THIS year! Great solution Rick! That should fix it.

 

[lbodel]

You don't see any difference between what that "pastor" said, and slaughtering 49 people? Wow, quite the mental gymnast you are.

Iran talks about wiping Israel off the map, and Obama does nothing. He must be an anti-Semite.

I mean Republicans don't see any difference in ANY sort of law that involves guns - why the hell would we want to ban suspected terrorists of buying a gun, am I right!? Planned Parenthood is evil even though it's one of the nation's leading women's health organizations!

Republicans love to make everything black and white that they are for/against, but heaven forbid the tables are ever turned.

I guess you are pro-mass shooting!

 

[threeeputtt]

I mean Republicans don't see any difference in ANY sort of law that involves guns - why the hell would we want to ban suspected terrorists of buying a gun, am I right!? Planned Parenthood is evil even though it's one of the nation's leading women's health organizations!

Republicans love to make everything black and white that they are for/against, but heaven forbid the tables are ever turned.

I guess you are pro-mass shooting!

I get it! Gross generalizations make us feel better! All Republicans are bad because...all Democrats are bad because......all Muslims are bad because.........all Christians are bad because.......

 

[lbodel]

I get it! Gross generalizations make us feel better! All Republicans are bad because...all Democrats are bad because......all Muslims are bad because.........all Christians are bad because.......

Yep and I'm sick and tired of people acting like nothing should ever be done. How many mass shootings does this country need to do SOMETHING? It doesn't have to be JUST gun related. I'm absolutely fine with looking at mental health - but shocking, it's talked about as a deflection to gun related issues every time yet still nothing is done. Are we just accepting it's going to keep happening? No big deal! And praying that it doesn't happen again is NOT a solution.

 

[terminalg92]

When asked what Americans can do to help, the Governor of Florida said: “Just pray,” Scott said. “Pray for the victims, pray for their families, pray that this never happens again.”

Yes, let's pray it never happens again - even though there's been more than 10 mass shootings in Florida alone THIS year! Great solution Rick! That should fix it.

People have been praying for decades for this type of mass shooting to end, and so evidently their prayers simply aren't being answered. Primitive people used to pray to the gods for rain, for fertility, for healing, for almost everything, because they just didn't understand how these things worked. This is just a modern example of that IMO.

Either way, politically it's a cop-out answer for the Governor, and unfortunately he was probably able to "get away" with it because people just hear the word "prayer" and know that they probably shouldn't push back on that due to political correctness. But it seems a reporter in the room might have wanted to reply to Governor Scott that prayer doesn't seem to be working, and put pressure on him to engage in a more realistic discussion about fixing the issue.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

Let's see if I understand. Religion doesn't work...prayers don't work...but more gun laws will work. And the religious are accused of being delusional...oh my.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

'Well, aren't you sad that 50 sodomites died?' Here's the problem with that, it's like the equivalent of asking me, 'Well, aren't you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?'" "No, I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think that Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight."

"I'm kind of upset that he didn't finish the job because these people are predators." "They are abusers, they take advantage of people."

Nope, not a "radical Islamic" leader but a Baptist pastor in Sacramento.

Guess we should ban all Christians coming in the country too! Do you think Obama sympathizes with him too!? Geez! He should probably not be arrested though, right? But if he was Muslim he probably should be!!

This guy is certainly an asshole...no doubt. And, what he's saying is antithetical to the Gospel message.

 

[IlluminatiEXPOSETHEMNOW1]

'Well, aren't you sad that 50 sodomites died?' Here's the problem with that, it's like the equivalent of asking me, 'Well, aren't you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?'" "No, I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think that Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight."

"I'm kind of upset that he didn't finish the job because these people are predators." "They are abusers, they take advantage of people."

Nope, not a "radical Islamic" leader but a Baptist pastor in Sacramento.

Guess we should ban all Christians coming in the country too! Do you think Obama sympathizes with him too!? Geez! He should probably not be arrested though, right? But if he was Muslim he probably should be!!

Oh sure you mean another foreign agent from Venezuela? A foreign born person gets up on TV right when Trump exposes ISIS was behind Orlando so that the mainstream media can project violence onto Christianity. A pure psychological warfare attack. The fact that is even a news story at all proves without question that mainstream media hates America and is a complete and total foreign intelligence operation to attack the United States. They attack America physically and then the foreign agent media and government attacks American rights and values as the reward. And you cuck faces will have the audacity to vote for people like Hillary Clinton who attacks your livelihood the very essence of your country. Hillary Clinton talks to dead people through witch satanic sacrifices conducted at the White House. Only a cuck would vote for someone like this. I'd vote Nero's horse over that witch. And nobody cares what some foreign agent from Venezuela and his cult have to say to defame Christians.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I mean Republicans don't see any difference in ANY sort of law that involves guns - why the hell would we want to ban suspected terrorists of buying a gun, am I right!? Planned Parenthood is evil even though it's one of the nation's leading women's health organizations!

Republicans love to make everything black and white that they are for/against, but heaven forbid the tables are ever turned.

I guess you are pro-mass shooting!

The airlines were used to kill thousands of innocent Americans. Have you flown on an airline since 9/11? Are you in favor of airlines being legal? If so, you must support airliners being flown into skyscrapers.

 

[terminalg92]

Let's see if I understand. Religion doesn't work...prayers don't work...but more gun laws will work. And the religious are accused of being delusional...oh my.

More like, the evidence shows that prayer doesn't work, so let's at least discuss ideas that have the possibility (and ideally, probability) of working. That might be more gun laws, that might be less gun laws, that might be different gun laws, that might be dozens of ideas that don't even involve changing laws. The point is there needs to be practical, critical discussion here that is based on facts and that leaves out fiction. If we all try to set aside our biases for a moment I don't think that's a controversial point.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

More like, the evidence shows that prayer doesn't work, so let's at least discuss ideas that have the possibility (and ideally, probability) of working. That might be more gun laws, that might be less gun laws, that might be different gun laws, that might be dozens of ideas that don't even involve changing laws. The point is there needs to be practical, critical discussion here that is based on facts and that leaves out fiction. If we all try to set aside our biases for a moment I don't think that's a controversial point.

If prayer worked in the simpleton fashion being suggested, i.e., I pray for something and God gives it to me, then God would simply be a genie granting wishes. Besides, God has already given us the answer to these prayers--His only begotten son, Jesus Christ. Live as He lived and this problem and more disappear. I know that won't be a popular answer, but...so be it.

 

[mediaexpert]

I am not sure what you are saying, but if you are trying to say you are frustrated, then you are right.

In the 60's, Khrushchev said that he will destroy America from inside. The gist of the plan was to destroy marriage and make religion seem foolish. Radicals like Saul Alinsky picked up on this and pointed out how America was built on Capitalism, Aggression and Slavery. America keeps dividing itself among minority and special interest groups.

For the past 30 years our Presidents have said one thing and did something else. Corruption made it so I did not care which party got in. When Obama got elected, I was grateful that race relations would finally approve.

Last year, we got two anti-establishment guys to run. Bernie makes many good points, but his idea of socialism with big government historically will not work. He also misses the point that the 1% that has become wealthier these past 7 years is concentrated among the media, the lobbyists and the DC political establishment (Both among the R&D parties).

The media tries to back Obama and diminish Trump, however Trump is 100% right on Orlando. We need to declare war on Radical Islamic Terrorists. If we did, the FBI would have more options when they questioned him. They also would have had surveillance on his Mosque, stopped him from buying a gun and would have interrogated his ex. This would have stopped this attack and others.

You are 100% wrong about prayer. Prayer does work. We need to go back to prayer in the schools and reciting the National Anthem. We need to better vet people coming into this country and make sure they want to assimilate and help make America great again. We need to put up the wall to help with immigration and to reduce hard drugs coming in. We also need Trump to renegotiate our Free Trade Deals and make them Fair Trade. Trump will help create more high paying jobs and when this happens then all American no matter their race, creed, color or sexual preferences will unite.

 

[lbodel]

Let's see if I understand. Religion doesn't work...prayers don't work...but more gun laws will work. And the religious are accused of being delusional...oh my.

So there's nothing we can do is what you're saying? NOTHING? It's a problem that's the worst in America, but there's nothing we can do. I guess we should just accept that it's going to happen all the time and live (or be shot) with it!

 

[lbodel]

This guy is certainly an asshole...no doubt. And, what he's saying is antithetical to the Gospel message.

Of course, and it's the same thing with Islam yet many people in this country paint quite a broad brush about a religion of 1.6 billion people.

 

[lbodel]

The airlines were used to kill thousands of innocent Americans. Have you flown on an airline since 9/11? Are you in favor of airlines being legal? If so, you must support airliners being flown into skyscrapers.

Then we should probably abolish all laws pertaining to driving right? It's harder to drive legally in this country than it is to own a gun.

So you don't think there's anything we can do curb gun violence in this country? Not one thing?????

 

[TOKenBoiler]

So there's nothing we can do is what you're saying? NOTHING? It's a problem that's the worst in America, but there's nothing we can do. I guess we should just accept that it's going to happen all the time and live (or be shot) with it!

We have gun laws...lots of them. Just like we have laws against murder, and rape and robbery...and guess what? We still have murder and rape and robbery. People bent on destruction will find a way.

But, I'm willing to listen to opposing viewpoints. What gun laws or other measures would you propose that will make mass murder decrease in frequency and severity?

 

[TOKenBoiler]

Of course, and it's the same thing with Islam yet many people in this country paint quite a broad brush about a religion of 1.6 billion people.

No, it's not the same with Islam. There are Islamic countries that call for imprisonment or death for homosexual conduct based on the Koran. Lots of them.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

There are like 28 posts in this thread, and I think 23 of them are just strawmen...

 

[terminalg92]

You are 100% wrong about prayer. Prayer does work. We need to go back to prayer in the schools...

I'd be interested in establishing where exactly you stand on this topic. Are you in favor of allowing the Church of Satan to incorporate its prayers into the public school schedule?

 

[terminalg92]

We have gun laws...lots of them. Just like we have laws against murder, and rape and robbery...and guess what? We still have murder and rape and robbery. People bent on destruction will find a way.

But, I'm willing to listen to opposing viewpoints. What gun laws or other measures would you propose that will make mass murder decrease in frequency and severity?

I will admit I've done very little research on the "gun debate" so I have a relatively uninformed opinion, hopefully overcome by good instincts.

I'm not a gun owner and doubt I ever will be, but I support the 2nd amendment right for citizens to bear arms.

So what exactly are "arms"? At the "weak" end of the spectrum is I suppose it could be a knife, or when talking guns, let's say it's a musket or a single-shot rifle. (These were what defined arms when the 2nd amendment was written.) At the "strong" end of the spectrum I suppose it's nuclear arms. (stay with me...)

I think almost everyone agrees the 2nd amendment DOESN'T infer the right for a citizen to bear nuclear arms. I think it's important to understand why that is--and IMO it's because nuclear arms can quickly kill large quantities of people. So IMO nuclear arms are being excluded on the principle of "scale".

OK so nuclear arms is a silly example--they're out of reach of citizens anyway. (Today at least.) What about shoulder-launched missiles? Those ARE potentially within the reach of citizens. Should owning/carrying those be a right conferred by the 2nd amendment? IMO these types of missiles still fail the principle of scale, so IMO no.

How about hand grenades? How about automatic assault rifles? IMO these still fail the principle of scale.

Which is to say IMO, there needs to be SOME definition of "arms" that takes into account the fact that an AR-15 should be ruled out by the same principle that a shoulder-launched missile or nuclear weapon should---scale. I'm not a gun guy so I don't know where that line needs to be drawn, but IMO it's not currently drawn in the right place if a gun that can shoot 50 bullets a minute is legal.

I don't pretend that ruling out "weapons of scale" would fix the issue of gun violence. But--again confessing I've not done my research here--I do believe that it is a necessary step in the right direction.

 

[qazplm]

We have gun laws...lots of them. Just like we have laws against murder, and rape and robbery...and guess what? We still have murder and rape and robbery. People bent on destruction will find a way.

But, I'm willing to listen to opposing viewpoints. What gun laws or other measures would you propose that will make mass murder decrease in frequency and severity?

so we should get rid of laws against rape, murder and robbery, after all, people will find a way to do it anyways.

You want to stop mass murder? You make it harder to get weapons that kill a mass of people. It's a lot harder to kill a mass of people with a small handgun then it is with the weapons being used by a most of these mass killers. But we can't do that, because people play the first they get those guns, then they take all of your guns fear card.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I mean Republicans don't see any difference in ANY sort of law that involves guns - why the hell would we want to ban suspected terrorists of buying a gun, am I right!? Planned Parenthood is evil even though it's one of the nation's leading women's health organizations!

Republicans love to make everything black and white that they are for/against, but heaven forbid the tables are ever turned.

I guess you are pro-mass shooting!

I am pro-Second Amendment and also for denying ahole terrorists and people on the no-fly list the ability to buy guns.

Today, even Trump sounded like he might support this stance.

 

[SDBoiler1]

More like, the evidence shows that prayer doesn't work, so let's at least discuss ideas that have the possibility (and ideally, probability) of working. That might be more gun laws, that might be less gun laws, that might be different gun laws, that might be dozens of ideas that don't even involve changing laws. The point is there needs to be practical, critical discussion here that is based on facts and that leaves out fiction. If we all try to set aside our biases for a moment I don't think that's a controversial point.

Have you actually tried it? And you can say you have strong evidence it doesn't work?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Then we should probably abolish all laws pertaining to driving right? It's harder to drive legally in this country than it is to own a gun.

So you don't think there's anything we can do curb gun violence in this country? Not one thing?????

I would be in favor of a comprehensive anti-terrorism Bill, that restricts immigration from countries that have produced terrorists and support sharia law, while making it tougher to get AR-15s, but only if it has bipartisan congressional oversight.

For example, those types of weapons would require a 60 day waiting period. If red flags come up on a background check, those names are submitted to a bipartisan committee, and would need a 2/3 vote to deny the purchase. This would help to protect against abuse, like we saw with the IRS and the Tea Party groups.

Feinstein's bill would leave it to Obama's highly partisan Justice Department to put whichever individuals they choose on the no buy list: No. Way. Same idiots that put a 4 year old on a terror watch list.

 

[ecouch]

There are like 28 posts in this thread, and I think 23 of them are just strawmen...

You liked qaz's strawman.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

Didn't say anything about repealing any laws. Said I doubt the efficacy of additional gun control laws. And all you believe these laws will do will make it harder to commit mass murder, not necessarily lessen the occurrence or severity. That said, I'm not going to write my congressman to oppose any assault rifle sale ban.

 

[terminalg92]

Have you actually tried it? And you can say you have strong evidence it doesn't work?

Have I actually tried prayer? Yeah I'm 45 years old and about 3/4 of my life I was a Christian (Catholic to be specific). Factoring in the 10 years of Catholic school I went to (which involved 4x/week mass attendance), I've likely already attended church more times than the average Christian does by the time they die. And prayer was pretty consistent for me as well during those several decades.

Regarding prayer working or not, you tell me: the subject here is U.S. mass shootings.

 

[patj11288]

Have I actually tried prayer? Yeah I'm 45 years old and about 3/4 of my life I was a Christian (Catholic to be specific). Factoring in the 10 years of Catholic school I went to (which involved 4x/week mass attendance), I've likely already attended church more times than the average Christian does by the time they die. And prayer was pretty consistent for me as well during those several decades.

Regarding prayer working or not, you tell me: the subject here is U.S. mass shootings.

Catholics are not Christians. At least that is what the typical evangelical christian response would be.....

 

[gr8indoorsman]

You liked qaz's strawman.

It was an appropriate response to some of the other garbage posted here. But nothing is properly discussed by the continued employment of strawmen because it doesn't allow for nuanced arguments. You, of all people, should understand that as it's one of your favorite tactics.

 

[mediaexpert]

I'd be interested in establishing where exactly you stand on this topic. Are you in favor of allowing the Church of Satan to incorporate its prayers into the public school schedule?

My apologies for not answering this sooner. However, there is no short answer, but I will try to be brief.

My Pollyanna upbringing is that people will eventually figure out that it is all about loving God and thy neighbor.

By allowing prayer in school, kids need to learn to love one another and be accountable for their actions. This allows positive role models for kids like the Orlando terrorist, who grew up with a father who taught violence to the heretics.

Trump is being misquoted by the corrupt media, because he wants to go back to using common sense. We need to make America great again and we do this by making America first and teaching family, Patriotic and religious values. Our Bible for the country should be the Constitution, which allows freedom of religion. The problem today is Obama and the media allow Islamic prayers and censors Christian prayers.