Recruiting bigs who can shoot

[Do Dah Day]

Pretty good article discussing the way the game is changing. Pitino and Beilein talk basketball.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/colle...-distinctively-nba-game-223238845--ncaab.html

 

[tjreese]

Pretty good article discussing the way the game is changing. Pitino and Beilein talk basketball.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/colle...-distinctively-nba-game-223238845--ncaab.html

Very good...talks about clock and "soft" pressure to eat clock and all positions able to shoot the ball. This Purdue team (junior class)..formed before the rule change and emphasis has battled the changes and done very well...but make no mistake the game is different and that is why we can't directly compare our past understandings of bigs with the current situation. If Purdue had the team they do now10-20 years ago...they could very easily be number 1 due to clock as much as anything...

 

[Do Dah Day]

Very good...talks about clock and "soft" pressure to eat clock and all positions able to shoot the ball. This Purdue team (junior class)..formed before the rule change and emphasis has battled the changes and done very well...but make no mistake the game is different and that is why we can't directly compare our past understandings of bigs with the current situation. If Purdue had the team they do now10-20 years ago...they could very easily be number 1 due to clock as much as anything...

my thoughts too ... and it's relative to Haarms and (hopefully in a positive way) and to all other recruits as "we (the experts)" over-analyze their future value for Purdue. Written by two coaches who beat us this year.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

my thoughts too ... and it's relative to Haarms and (hopefully in a positive way) and to all other recruits as "we (the experts)" over-analyze their future value for Purdue. Written by two coaches who beat us this year.

In two distinctly different ways, but each successful in their own right.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

my thoughts too ... and it's relative to Haarms and (hopefully in a positive way) and to all other recruits as "we (the experts)" over-analyze their future value for Purdue. Written by two coaches who beat us this year.

If the pendulum swings too far in the direction of the perimeter bigs, I wonder if you will see really talented "traditional" bigs become more available than they have in the past.

When the 4-3 defense was popularized in the 1990s by the Cowboys, all of a sudden 3-4 OLBs were readily available, and teams like the Steelers scooped them up in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[tjreese]

If the pendulum swings too far in the direction of the perimeter bigs, I wonder if you will see really talented "traditional" bigs become more available than they have in the past.

When the 4-3 defense was popularized in the 1990s by the Cowboys, all of a sudden 3-4 OLBs were readily available, and teams like the Steelers scooped them up in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

I think it will ..to a degree. If the rules stay as they are...traditional center play will not be "as valuable", but can provide an unusal look.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Taylor can hit the 3 as well.....just sayin.....ha ha

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Pretty good article discussing the way the game is changing. Pitino and Beilein talk basketball.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/colle...-distinctively-nba-game-223238845--ncaab.html

See Matt Haarms, Jaquil Taylor, and a number of other recruits Painter has been after as bigs recently.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I think it will ..to a degree. If the rules stay as they are...traditional center play will not be "as valuable", but can provide an unusal look.

And they would be virtually unstoppable if you can get them the ball. That has always been the issue with a dominate big though, they typically have a small area of the floor that they are extremely effective from so you only have to really guard a small area and just try to prevent them from getting the ball to render them useless.

 

[daisyrail1619]

We have bigs that shoot, we do! And our tallest can shoot NBA range just FYI

 

[FirstDownB]

If the pendulum swings too far in the direction of the perimeter bigs, I wonder if you will see really talented "traditional" bigs become more available than they have in the past.

When the 4-3 defense was popularized in the 1990s by the Cowboys, all of a sudden 3-4 OLBs were readily available, and teams like the Steelers scooped them up in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

That is essentially how we got Biggie. Purdue offered him an opportunity to play the 4.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That is essentially how we got Biggie. Purdue offered him an opportunity to play the 4.

I'm really not referring to stretch 4/5 types. More the traditional 5.

For example, a Michigan may not recruit a Hammons or Haas type big anymore, so they fall into our lap.

 

[tjreese]

I'm really not referring to stretch 4/5 types. More the traditional 5.

For example, a Michigan may not recruit a Hammons or Haas type big anymore, so they fall into our lap.

A couple of years ago I wrote on that topic...that Matt by going against what is common (contrarian) may end up being the place for 5's..and there are 5's that have some quickness even if not a threat outside a few feet. Purdue might be able to recruit higher than usual by becoming the place for good, but not as desirable for many team offenses. Evn though I prefer two like what Michigan has...a case can be made for the the other. In todays, dribble drive offense...there are not as many used to seeing motion as years ago..no as many fighting through screens that used to be common place whereas Purdue has to defend a lot of ball screen offenses.

If they would only allow a glimpse of D...we could double those ball screens and then people would move more away from them like a couple of decades ago....

 

[FirstDownB]

I'm really not referring to stretch 4/5 types. More the traditional 5.

For example, a Michigan may not recruit a Hammons or Haas type big anymore, so they fall into our lap.

And landing a Haas type is exactly what led to Biggie (the bigger prize) having the opportunity to play some 4 at Purdue. Just agreeing and saying what you wonder is already happening, plus it has a domino effect of being being appealing to some traditional 4's as well as 5's.

Now, the question is with the style of the game changing, are these guys going to be as useful to have? Next year's roster looks like it will be a mixed bag. Will be interesting to see if Painter molds the new bigs to the current style without Biggie or if we go away from "big ball" and this perceived advantage in reputation.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

A couple of years ago I wrote on that topic...that Matt by going against what is common (contrarian) may end up being the place for 5's..and there are 5's that have some quickness even if not a threat outside a few feet. Purdue might be able to recruit higher than usual by becoming the place for good, but not as desirable for many team offenses. Evn though I prefer two like what Michigan has...a case can be made for the the other. In todays, dribble drive offense...there are not as many used to seeing motion as years ago..no as many fighting through screens that used to be common place whereas Purdue has to defend a lot of ball screen offenses.

If they would only allow a glimpse of D...we could double those ball screens and then people would move more away from them like a couple of decades ago....

I think your description in the early part of your posts describes that rising center from the Miami area (Emmanuel Dowuona) that Painter and staff is in on. The kid is a very good athlete, has explosive power in his jumping ability, but not sure about his shooting ability outside of 10 feet.