Do you still think the riot on Jan. 6 never had the potential to be very dangerous?
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Do you still think the riot on Jan. 6 never had the potential to be very dangerous?
Read the article. Looks like Govt overreach....unless they have a WHOLE lot more. Have one very bad text, not even by the guy being charged, that was never acted on.
Compared to what happened in Seattle last summer where we had actual days on end seige of US territory by that leftist group where insurgents there killed at least one guy, and injured citizens in their takeover, and used actual weapons, guarding their "territory" in their assults against Seatle citizenry. That is what insurection looks like.
A text not acted on....hardly.
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Well of course they have more. We're not going to hear everything now. They took a year to get here, it's obvious they've done their homework.
Yes they have more one would guess??? .
Enough to convict.....doubtful. The article indicates these are extremely hard to prove. Just providing some red meat to flaming libs....I see you are chewing it up.
BTW....how many seditious conspiracy arrests did the DOJ charge in Seattle a place where a group violently declared their own zone free from the USA??
Laughable…what “homework”? Does the government have video of them moving arms across the River? Why wouldn’t they just bring a semi truck full of weapons. Sounds like something that was planned in the day of General Washington….you know, back when there was an insurrection.
I fully expect this to be another failure in the long list of Democrat failures over the past year.
This is nothing more than feeding “red meat” to far left minions. Jan 6th, Jan 6th, Jan 6th.
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Two Oathkeepers have cut deals. You know how that works right?
Sounds like DOJ has gained access to the ENCRYPTING system the planners were using to communicate before 1/6. Why would the planners need to hide what they were saying to each other?
Actions, not words Bob.
I can write up a murder plan Bob, but there isn’t a murder until someone dies.
what part of the government was overthrown? Because “protestors” (see how I did my version of CNN, MSNBC there) occupied the Capitol for two hours.
Did the protestors pass any laws?
What proof of “war” does the prosecution have?
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One thing at a time. You don't want to talk about homework anymore? You don't think there's a possibility that the Oathkeepers who cut deals are giving the DOJ information? You don't think secret encrypted communications among the rioters means anything?
The DOJ is not going to indict people for sedition in this political climate without a ton of evidence to back it up. You know that.
But wait, I thought the FBI already said it wasn’t an organized conspiracy several months ago when the fed agent provocateurs were first exposed?
Sedition charge coming from the same DOJ that referred to some pissed off parents as domestic terrorists…..how precious. How many people in the history of this country have ever been convicted of sedition? (Hint:you can count them on your hands and feet).
Sedition charge coming from the same DOJ that referred to some pissed off parents as domestic terrorists…..how precious. How many people in the history of this country have ever been convicted of sedition? (Hint:you can count them on your hands and feet).
Unequal justice under the Dems.....
Still waiting Bob, how many seditious conspiracy arrests did the DOJ charge in Seattle a place where a group violently declared their own zone free from the USA??
You mean your deflection from the the sedition charges against the Oathkeepers?
Ask Bill Barr. Wasn't he the AG?
And you can wait all damn day for all I care, I don't post according to your schedule. Don't confuse the lack of an immediate response with an unwillingness to reply or avoiding the question.......like you're doing right now with your Seattle whataboutism.
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Bob, you are making this way too difficult. In way less time than your final paragraph rant took, you could have simply answered the question. The answer, as we all know without having to do ANY research, was, of course, zero.
Which is because they had the support of the MSM and the Dem party. Is this or is this not true?
I don’t know what TV show you have been watching but Congress tried to impeach a President twice without any real chance it would happen.
We have prosecutors not prosecuting crime and low an behold, you throw out “in this political climate”….that’s exactly WHY they are prosecuting…because Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders and AOC need a pelt…or the election in 10 months is sunk.
DOJ cut deals as part of their fact finding mission…texts don’t mean squat.
Answer me this. If the insurrection was an attempt to “overthrow the government” why did the “insurrectionists” just walk away after taking over the Capitol??
Where was the “ferry” load of weapons?
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Oh my gosh, Bob, do you think the 'planners' might have been working with the Russians?
That must be really scary to you! That could mean Adam Schiff and Hillary were right all along, and not lying like we all thought!
Another thought - could terrorist-parents of school children be involved also, when they were not busy shouting at incompetent school board members?
Our crack DOJ with its dynamic AG is on the case, thankfully!
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The decision to impeach had nothing to do with whether it would be successful or not. It had to do with Trump's actions.
They aren't Oathkeepers texts. They are encrypted and private communications from apps. It's safe to say they were smart enough to know texts and emails would be discovered later. It may turn out to be nothing........but use the argument used here by all of you, why would they used encrypted communications if they were doing nothing wrong?
The insurrection wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government. You guys are all using that scenario........and the fact that there was no way that crowd could accomplish it as some sort proof that 1/6 is being overplayed.
The riots/insurrection were an attempt to stop the certification of the election. Trump wanted a do-over by the states. Pence wouldn't complete his constitutional duty, the federal government would reject the certification of some of the states, the Eastman plans would go into effect, and we would be in a full blown constitutional crisis with trump in the WH and unwilling to leave.
I don't know where the weapons were. I guess you'll just have to stay tuned.
So again, if they had control of the Capitol, why give it up so easily? Wouldn’t that have prevented certification? Why not chase after the representatives?
The “insurrectionists” had control of the Capitol and they just ….gave it up. Why?
I could answer the question that has nothing to do with the topic but that would be rewarding his whataboutism.
But ok. I have said here before that I thought what happened in Seattle was outrageous. The mayor and others that allowed the madness woefully failed to do their job, for what reason I have no idea. They openly allowed radicals to assume control of part of the city and abandoned their number 1 responsibility........to maintain law order and keep the citizens safe.
I also said that the people of Seattle should correct the situation and vote them out in the next election.......assuming they disagree with what happened as any normal citizen would. if they want to live in that chaos that's their choice and they can re-elect the idiots.
But that's Seattle. I don't live there, my vote doesn't count there, I am not governed by the officials of Seattle. Neither are about 325 million other Americans. But what happens in our national election does affect me. A President that refuses to accept the results of the election and his followers who attempt a violent uprising in support of that position..........that affects me and I will express my objection to it.........and will support the investigations into it.
Why anyone would try to compare the two situations is beyond me.......other than they just want the whole thing to go away rather than find out if laws were broken and who broke them.
@BuilderBob6 Any sedition charges against those that attacked a federal court building 100 days in a row?
Don't divert Bobby from his Dem delusional wet dreams above. It is quite entertaining how he buys the Lib line hook, line and sinker due to his Trump hate that has no bounds.
I am sure the Dems will arrest more to fuel his nirvana. Of course no one will be convicted though.....unless it is on begrudging turned lies of helpless, scared & harassed citizens who are terrified because of the abuse of the DOJ threatening to ruin their lives in legal fees.
What the DOJ has done ruining the lives of some in the past Trump admin is scary. I think they have arrested like 11 of them with abusive charges of one type or another. Of course their real crime is being a Republican.
Did they have control of the Capitol? You guys are the ones saying they didn't have enough weapons to do anything. They were occupying the Capitol......because the rioters overwhelmed the police and they retreated. They didn't have any control. They didn't have armed rioters at the entrances.
I don't understand your point. They didn't have control, they were just inside. They left. "Why give it up so easily" .........if.......what?
Law enforcement was coming to restore control. Finally. Why would they stay? To get arrested?
Pence was secure, the lawmakers were secure. If the rioters stayed, how would they have prevented certification? It wouldn't have happened that day but they would simply reconvene the next day and certify.
The problem on Jan 6th was that the Capital Police failed to do their jobs. Instead of defending the Capital and its occupants, the Capital Police cowardly ran and hid inside the building. They should have started shooting the intruders the moment one of them breached the building.
What do you think happens when someone jumps over the fence at the White House? They are STOPPED. They often get shot. Here is a list of WH intruders who have been shot by the Secret Service:
July 27, 1976 – Chester Plummer, scaled the WH fence and was shot and killed.
March 3, 1984 – David Mahonski was on the south grounds and was shot him by SS.
May 24, 1995 – Leland William Modjeski was shot on the WH grounds after scaling the fence.
February 8, 2001 – Robert W. Pickett fired shots outside the WH fence and was then shot and arrested by SS.
May 20, 2016 – Jesse Olivieri attacked a WH security checkpoint. The SS shot and arrested him.
August 10, 2020 — Myron Berryman was shot by a SS after claiming that he had a gun.
FYI, I have lived through a real insurrection. I was stationed at Clark Air Base Philippines in 1986 when President Ferdinand Marcos was overthrown. A huge mob stormed his palace in Manila, after which he and his family and many trunks stuffed with US dollars were choppered up to CAB. From there the family was flown to Anderson AFB in Guam on a USAF C-141. Marcos never returned to the Philippines again.
What happened at Jan 6 at the Capital was not even close to being an insurrection. It was nothing but very poor mob control by the shameful cowards who serve as the Capital Police. There is flat zero possibility that this gaggle of buffoons would have taken over our country. The only people who pretend that it was possible are far-left journalists trying to stir up more Trump hate.
A little history.......Seattle happened in 2020 during the Trump admin and Bill Barr was the AG. That's your team. Where's your outrage against them?
Fine with me if they charge the Seattle crazies with whatever they want. Who exactly are you blaming for the lack of charges in Seattle? You just shouting at the rain?
More history......Jan 6th also happened under Trump & AG Barr.
Both events..... "attack" against Federal facility. Dem attack was far more violent no doubt.
Both events under Trump and AG Barr.
Unequal. Justice under Dems.
Thus, still waiting Bob, how many seditious conspiracy arrests did the DOJ charge in Seattle a place where a group violently declared their own zone free from the USA??
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What's your point? Trump was out of office in two weeks. Would you expect his admin to have time or the inclination to prosecute for 1/6? They had months to file sedition charges against the the people in Seattle and did nothing. Where was your outrage then? You know Barr wanted Sedition charges filed in Seattle? Why didn't that happen?
Seattle was far more violent........in your unbiased opinion? You're saying the level of violence is the basis for a sedition charge?
You a freakin parrot? You keep asking a question you know the answer to. You think you're making some kind of point by doing it........other than trying to deflect from the federal indictments just served?
To my knowledge there were zero arrests for Sedition in Seattle. Are you gonna make your point now?
Overwhelmed the police? You obviously didn't see the video of the police opening the gates and waving people in.
What hasn't been discussed here is the DEM political corruption of the DOJ & the FBI.
This is the same FBI that called the shootings at Fort Hood ....workplace violence.
The same FBI that said yesterday's attack & hostages on a synagogue hostage taker’s demands were...... "not specifically related to the Jewish community."
The same FBI that said that said a mass assassination attack on GOPers was a “suicide by cop” incident.
The same FBI that is arresting these "seditionists" political enemies of the Dems.
The FBI is a corrupt and broken organization that seems to exist to attack the enemies of the Dem party.
This is the same FBI that called the shootings at Fort Hood ....workplace violence.
The same FBI that said yesterday's attack & hostages on a synagogue hostage taker’s demands were...... "not specifically related to the Jewish community."
The same FBI that said that said a mass assassination attack on GOPers was a “suicide by cop” incident.
The same FBI that is arresting these "seditionists" political enemies of the Dems.
The FBI is a corrupt and broken organization that seems to exist to attack the enemies of the Dem party.
Local prosecutors came out saying they weren't going to charge anyone. It was a local problem that Dems refused to take action on. Could Barr have done something? He should have if he could. Doesn't change the fact that Dem run states released criminals left and right and Dem Congressmen and women put up money to bail many of these people out.
Thank you for finally admitting the unequal justice under the Dem DOJ & FBI.
Took awhile, but some nuts are harder to crack. LOL.
You mean this one right?
You got any others? You think because it happened at that entrance it happened everywhere? Are you capable of an honest conversation? I guess video can't be trusted anymore either.
Not letting them in here.
Or here.
Or here.
How many do you want Mr. Reality denier?
Oh, so what you saying above is that they didn’t didn’t try to overthrow the government…Got it.
If it was Sedition because a federal building was involved then it's a federal manner. Why did all these federal prosecutors under Barr and a republican admin fail to prosecute? Isn't lack of prosecution one of your talking points?
You're doing well trying to change the topic. We're now moving back to one of the talking points with generalized accusations of evel dem prosecutors.
Dem congressmen put up bail money for the Seattle protestors? You have a link?
I ALREADY said that dumbass. They wanted to stop the certification, just as trump wanted over and over. It's not even close to the same thing.
LOL, I never said it happened everywhere. One of the videos you linked was already in the building. The other is outside. So you have one outside where they were fighting and I have one where they were let in. The other video you linked seems to be broken. LOL reality denier. That's rich.
Have to arrest them and hold them to prosecute them. As soon as they were arrested, the local prosecutors/government released them.
