QB this year
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With Jeff and Brian both being QBs, I would like for us to get to a point where it is not an open competition every year, and we know who our #1 guy is months in advance.
Hopefully, this will be the case when Allen arrives next year.
They know who it is. Theyre trying to be coy to make Oregon State prepare for multiple. Great strategy coach fudd.
I don't know who it will be, but I hope they pick one and stick with it. I hate the rotating QB thing and while seems to be the norm anymore, I still think it hurts more than it helps.
If they pick O'Connell, I hope the OL holds up in pass protection, 'cause my father-in-law who's in his 80's with both knees replaced could outrun him...
You aren't wrong. I'd be okay with that too as he has turned in to a decent QB. But, maybe one of the others that we haven't seen yet will surprise everyone. That would be okay too.
He's a good throwing QB who makes decent decisions. But when we need a QB sneak or we need some running threat from a QB, he ain't the guy. We don't need someone to run the option. But we do need someone with some mobility, especially when we play against teams that heavily blitz or have better than average DEs...
Yeah or as you said we need one solid OL. Which we might have. Let's just hope it gets sorted quickly.
FWIW I think that was the plan the last couple seasons. Last year O'Connell started every game and took every snap until (and one game after) injuring his foot. In 2019 it was all Sindelar until he went down to injury.
Agree, and If they pick plummer they can’t run with Horvath out there. Defenses will widen out in coverage on the other 4 skill players, intent to take that away then recover on Horvath. They’ll “give him his” and be in position to make the receivers develop plays over a long second count. The game, to play his point, hasn’t slowed down for plummer.
and as much as O’Connell doesn’t pass left enough, plummer goes left and to the TE way less
I’d like to see Plummer as he’s the one I was looking forward to. He has a strong arm and good on legs but if memory serves, he’s a little like Sindelar where he put up big numbers but made bone head plays at critical parts of the game that made you forget about the 350 yards and 3 TDS he had to that point. A fully healthy Plummer you would think could do really good
Game happens way too fast and he has huge blind areas.. but every season is a new season and maybe the game slowed down a lot for him
Not only at these posts but many others, I read people complaining about our QBs and RBs. IMO, ours are above average (top 3 or 4 in the Big 10). Our O linemen have been disappointing. This year, I am expecting tremendous improvement with them as a unit and if they become top 6 in the Big Ten, we will be dynamite offensively.
I am also expecting our D to be better.
IMO, our question mark is special teams.
I am also expecting our D to be better.
IMO, our question mark is special teams.
The RBs and QBs are nowhere near the top 3 or 4 in the B1G. A) We barely run the ball. B) Secondarily, the QBs have put up big yards but only because of the way the offense is designed. Our QBs need to be much more efficient in the red zone...
You’re saying our QBs and RBs are top 3-4 in the big ten?
dude I’d take Joey Elliott and DJ Knox over what we have … without even thinking about it … I almost said Jaycen Taylor .. I was this close
I forget … there are people here that were Clinging on to Jared sparks and his AT Simpson-esque productivity until last year. I remember when I was the worst person three years ago for maintaining that there was absolutely no evidence that sparks would ever be good.
I have much more faith in O’Connell, Horvath and Doerue.. but top 3-4? Come on man
I have much more faith in O’Connell, Horvath and Doerue.. but top 3-4? Come on man
A lot of bench warmers in high school try hard. People were saying he WOULD be good, not based on any evidence, but apparently because they were excited to follow his recruitment after the dark hazell years. He wasn’t fast.. his speed was Gregory Phillips like.
so without productivity up front OR physical potential like what milton Wright had going into last year.. they were just wishing.
and believe me.. If wishing could have turned David Owen into Orlando pace I would have been on it a long time ago
Two must always be ready due to injuries. Having a 3rd like Alaimo for a different look or a quality trick play would keep defenses guessing. Who knows Alaimo may break into the top QB’s in the hunt.
The way I remember it is that O'Connell had 3 good games along with Hovath and Bell. We beat Illinois, a might good Iowa team, and lost a close one to Northwestern. The complaint was NW was able to hold Bell without being called. NW held Hovath rushing, but he had a good day receiving. Plummer stepped in against Minny and again we had a good day but the refs made a ridiculous offensive interference call which took away the winning TD. The game against Rutgers broke our backs mentally. We never recovered.
O'Connell is a terrible runner and scrambler YET played very well in 3 games with a below average line. The bottom line with Hovath is he averaged 5 and 10. I will take that all day. I understand the posters here don't think the DC's care about his productivity but I can assure you they do. This year it should be even a bigger concern.
However, I do agree in the red zone that we need to be more productive but it has been my experience that this rests on the offensive line. There is less room to operate and therefore it requires more muscle than between the 20's. We are addressing it and again I am Pollyanna for this year but you are right this she have been addressed 4 years ago.
I never said they didn't play well. However, Horvath is nowhere near the top of the RB stable in the B1G. Neither is O'Connell or Plummer. They just aren't no matter how you look at things.
They don’t .. they’ll “let him have his.”
here’s my theory .. it’s good we have bell. Because if it was Horvath and Gregory Phillips then you’d really see an offense sputtering.
I may sound negative but it’s all up front. If all the stuff I think is gonna happen happens, I’ll shrug and say I expected it. Where as there are others who are quiet now or predicting 7-5 who, like every year where we don’t win, will wait until we sputter and sound ten times more negative than me. You’ll start seeing posts about how we will always be Purdue and can never be good again and Morgan Burke did this and brohm now. Where I’ll react more like a guy who is walking out of his house into a snow storm he knew was coming.
when I think about this season I think about the following things:
> who is our safety besides Allen. Grant injured both years. Who else has demonstrated that they can do anything?
> ditto at cb with trice. All I will say about Mackey is.. at least he isn’t James dunnigan, Zach Logan or Sean petty? His play is at least above that. Who else?
> we have one so so proven linebacker .. who else? If fakasiieki is playing v >
> I watched highlights of the 17 season today.. man.. Eddie Wilson, gelen robinson, Lorenzo Neal before he fell off. They didn’t get pushed back and they got into the backfield. I have seen Johnson and Deen have stretches where they weren’t affirmatively bad. As far as being good? Haven’t seen it yet. If we are relying on Sullivan we are in trouble.
> George is awesome. Who else?
> if cam Craig is healthy that’s great and I believe it’s likely Witt is a nice addition. I didn’t watch long last year and think of any of the really good OTs I’ve seen at Purdue. I didn’t think of David Owen either .. so ok. I wouldn’t be surprised if the OL is good, but like the rest of the team not a ton is proven ..
> both QBs have major issues. If we are all talking about O’Connell must have done plyometrics all off-season or the game really slowed down for plummer.. great, but we haven’t seen it yet.
> Horvath has looked good when I’ve seen the back seven with one foot out the door. It’s not like I’ve seen tressels Ohio state commitment to the run and here goes Horvath doing it like he’s Laurence Maroney .. but my bigger concern is who else do we have? Doerue never seemed to look as healthy as he did middle of last year. If both are nicked up who do we have?
> Sheffield has proven what?
so my thing is.. we have a LOT of questions .. even a really good staff would struggle to answer 90% of them. And then the other 10% become things that our very good opposing coaches can exploit.
and you’re talking about a head coach who hasn’t been good at answering questions.
let’s just say that it’s unreasonable to expect a redshirt freshman to play in the secondary. We have Allen and trice and here are the guys brohm has signed at DB who are older than that:
dedrick Mackey
Kenneth major
Jacob Abrams
Cory trice
Jordan Rucker
Byron Perkins
Elijah ball
Kadin smith
Jalen graham
Cam Allen
Marvin grant
nyles beverly
and you have two guys? That’s not counting any ATH or redshirt freshmen…
man I sure would love it if what we were hearing was that brohm had so many guys ready to play that he had to talk backups out of transferring.. but that is a LOW conversion rate
You know the thing to me is.. after watching for so many years Pat.. I never realized how hard it is to look as good as a Ralph Bolden, Joey Harris, Kory sheets, David Blough, Joey Elliott (09), Curtis painter… Randall lane, joe Odom, Adrian Beasley .. you can trick yourself into thinking a Jacques reeves or a Jacob thienemann just comes along. “Oh yeah that next guy.. he’ll just be like Cole herdman, anthony chambers or niko koutouvides..”
then you realize that guys like that don’t just come along at Purdue ..
And to me it disrespects guys like that to just act like a player who hasn’t proven it is that good.. because you like them. That was the sparks problem .. and having to explain to people that he wasn’t Aaron valentin or Keith smith because people followed his recruitment … he ended up being more like AT Simpson
I haven’t seen anything out of O’Connell, plummer, Horvath or doerue to definitively rule out the idea that they can be that good .. but they haven’t proven it yet
Your memory is definitely better than mine. And yes the Rutgers game last year was the pinnacle of disaster. It was like their QB told the team, when I yell hike, I will take the ball and run up the middle and get 7 yards a play. After 3 of those plays, Brohm should have forfeited the game and taken the team off the field humiliated.
However, my theories are all based on the OL being better. If they are and O'Connell played like last year, he IMO is a top 3 QB. If Horvath averaged 5 & 10 with a poor line, I think he will be a top 3 RB this year barring injury. I am also praying Plummer matures and does not get caught up in the moment.
My prayers on D is from other posters playing all of our troubles on our DC. If true, we will hopefully be in the middle of the pack.
I am not up-to-date with our special teams and that is my biggest worry.
Again I am Pollyanna and a great O, a good D, and a fair special teams and we are 7-5 and hopefully 8-4 or is that too much to pray for - LOL.
Love your optimism, but I'm not sure how we have top 4 QB and RB in the league. It is still 14 teams right?
What RBs had a better 5 yards rushing and 10 receiving than Horvath? O'Connell led us to 2-1 with loss to NW. And Plummer had better stats. What teams have better combination? I think all 3 will benefit with better OL and a D that won't allow the opp to each up the clock. The X factor will be how good our punter will be in giving them poorer field position.
2021 Big Ten Quarterback Preseason Rankings
There will be no shortage of new faces when it comes to quarterbacks within the Big Ten conference heading into the 2021 season. Ohio State will look
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While I don't necessarily agree with all of the rankings here, this rag has Plummer 12th out of 14.
Look, Horvath has done a great job. But in no way, shape, or form is he a top 4 RB in the Big Ten. That's no disrespect to him. But let's be realistic with things.
And here he is again, that reversible jacket crazy man...
I understand that Horvath put up those nice averages of 5 and 10 but was limited in how much he played. Would you be more impressed if Horvath attained 100 years a game? Let's say he keeps those averages and rushes 15 times a game for 75 yards and catches 5 receptions for 50 yards. Would 125 yards a game impress you?
IMO, Horvath's averages will go up this year but let's say they stay the same. However, Brohm decides to use him 20% more. And he carries 18 X a game for 90 yards and catches 6 passes for 60 yards. Is 150 yards a game 2nd team Big 10?
How much he played? He was literally our sole running back the last 2 seasons. Literally, nearly every carry. Again, no offense to Horvath. But do you have some sort of obsession with him to have this large of a blind spot?
Horvath had like 2 tds last year. His average ypc greatly benefited from teams selling out to stop our wide receivers knowing that they're completely ok with us handling the ball off to him. Really need someone else to step up this season in a bad way.
Posted that link in at least 5 days threads that I have seen
I would not know him if I tripped over him and I also keep forgetting his first name. However, about 6 months ago, posters started picking on him, so I came to his defense. I realize I am a homer and I think everyone at Purdue will be better than they are. You are a realist and are looking at it like the journalist looked at Plummer. Well that journalist rated other QB's higher because he sees they have potential. I am the same way with all Purdue players. I realize I may be disappointed but I am hoping in my heart to be able to say, I told you so - lol.
