QB recruiting "losses" being ruined at other programs

[boileralum07]

Hunter Johnson, who had all the tools, ruined at Northwestern. All their QBs are terrible. They've ruined them all.

Donoven McCulley absolutely being ruined at IU. The 3rd 4-star QB ruined by that staff in a single off season.

Brandon Peters at Illinois. SMH.

 

[Beorik]

Hunter Johnson, who had all the tools, ruined at Northwestern. All their QBs are terrible. They've ruined them all.

Donoven McCulley absolutely being ruined at IU. The 3rd 4-star QB ruined by that staff in a single off season.

Brandon Peters at Illinois. SMH.

Yeah It’s crazy to me how two down years basically had people here screaming (I personally believe they were literally crying as they typed ferociously) that Brohm couldn’t recruit or develop qbs. Smh.

Brohm inherited Blough and Sindelar and had both (imo) good enough to go to the NFL when they left. Unfortunately injuries had something to say when it came to Sindelar.

He brought in O’Connell and turned him into one of the top qbs in the Big Ten. I know earlier in the year I asked who thought O’Connell had a shot at the NFL and a lot of people laughed. In that thread I believe I said that there was really only a few qbs I would take over O’Connell in the Big. As we sit here today I wouldn’t trade him for any of them.

Brohm also brought in Plummer who has shown flashes of being able to hold his own.

And now he has recruited 3 straight 4 star qbs (assuming the commitments of the next two classes hold).

Brohm has his flaws but he can recruit and coach qbs.

I say all that to say, I am delighted we didn’t pursue any of the above qbs that fans wanted.

Boiler Up!

 

[tenwest]

Assuming CJ Stroud gets all B1G 1st team this year since ESPN has him in the Heisman running, I would have to say AOC will be 2nd team. Can’t think of any other B1G QB worthy.

 

[izakman]

Hunter Johnson, who had all the tools, ruined at Northwestern. Donoven McCulley absolutely being ruined at IU.

It may be that Hunter's issues existed before he left Clemson.
Donoven is just a true freshman. He may pan out.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hunter Johnson, who had all the tools, ruined at Northwestern. All their QBs are terrible. They've ruined them all.

Donoven McCulley absolutely being ruined at IU. The 3rd 4-star QB ruined by that staff in a single off season.

Brandon Peters at Illinois. SMH.

Did he have all the tools? Or are there tools that the recruiting process can’t pretend to measure

 

[boilermaker75]

It may be that Hunter's issues existed before he left Clemson.
Donoven is just a true freshman. He may pan out.

Donoven looks very inaccurate. I don't think QB is his best position. He was likle 3 of 17 with two interceptions yesterday.

 

[boileralum07]

It may be that Hunter's issues existed before he left Clemson.
Donoven is just a true freshman. He may pan out.

He had the tools. But he wasn't in the right system at NW. They had an article about how 9 of 10 QBs brought in haven't panned out. That's more indicative of a bad system.

Donoven is a freshman yes, and he has the opportunity recover. But still you don't trot a frosh out just to get destroyed every week like that.

Both situations remind me of Danny Etling getting obliterated under Hazell, transferring to LSU and getting drafted. Still didn't pan out in the NFL. But he did recover at LSU.

 

[GrabtharsHammer]

Donoven looks very inaccurate. I don't think QB is his best position. He was likle 3 of 17 with two interceptions yesterday.

3/7 for 17yds 2 INT. Almost as many completions to Minnesota as Indinia.

 

[boilermaker75]

3/7 for 17yds 2 INT. Almost as many completions to Minnesota as Indinia.

I mixed the total yards with the attempts, LOL

 

[Purdue 95]

I am delighted we didn’t pursue any of the above qbs that fans wanted.

Boiler Up!

We definitely pursued Johnson pretty hard, if memory serves. We also recruited McCulley hard and could’ve had him but we had an offer out to another kid who committed first, ending things with McCulley. The commit (whose name escapes me) turned out to be a flake, decommitted, and I don’t know where he ended up, we we wound up with neither. I have seen very limited amounts of IU football this year, but in what little I have watched, their QBs are all walking disasters. McCulley looks like a scared cat behind center and has no grasp of whatever offense they’re trying to run, combined with very poor accuracy.

We’re in fine shape at QB regardless, so it all worked out fine for us. Hopefully O’Connell comes back next year, but if not we’ll see what Alaimo can do. Hopefully he’ll get ample reps in the bowl practices. Very excited for Brady Allen too, but if Alaimo can hold his own, we may not see Allen for 2-3 years.

 

[Beorik]

We definitely pursued Johnson pretty hard, if memory serves. We also recruited McCulley hard and could’ve had him but we had an offer out to another kid who committed first, ending things with McCulley. The commit (whose name escapes me) turned out to be a flake, decommitted, and I don’t know where he ended up, we we wound up with neither. I have seen very limited amounts of IU football this year, but in what little I have watched, their QBs are all walking disasters. McCulley looks like a scared cat behind center and has no grasp of whatever offense they’re trying to run, combined with very poor accuracy.

We’re in fine shape at QB regardless, so it all worked out fine for us. Hopefully O’Connell comes back next year, but if not we’ll see what Alaimo can do. Hopefully he’ll get ample reps in the bowl practices. Very excited for Brady Allen too, but if Alaimo can hold his own, we may not see Allen for 2-3 years.

Yeah poor phrasing by me. I should have said I am delighted we didn’t land any of those qbs. I think we are in good shape as well.

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

We definitely pursued Johnson pretty hard, if memory serves. We also recruited McCulley hard and could’ve had him but we had an offer out to another kid who committed first, ending things with McCulley. The commit (whose name escapes me) turned out to be a flake, decommitted, and I don’t know where he ended up, we we wound up with neither. I have seen very limited amounts of IU football this year, but in what little I have watched, their QBs are all walking disasters. McCulley looks like a scared cat behind center and has no grasp of whatever offense they’re trying to run, combined with very poor accuracy.

We’re in fine shape at QB regardless, so it all worked out fine for us. Hopefully O’Connell comes back next year, but if not we’ll see what Alaimo can do. Hopefully he’ll get ample reps in the bowl practices. Very excited for Brady Allen too, but if Alaimo can hold his own, we may not see Allen for 2-3 years.

Sam Jackson was the flake. He’s at TCU but appears he’s getting more reps at RB than QB

Rumor was Hunter Johnson wanted to promised them starting gig and Brohm refused, so he went to NW and tanked

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Looks like Jackson got in mop-up duty in a win and a loss for TCU. I had no idea that's where he ended up until now. Ran it twice for 11 yards against Duquesne, in a game that was shortened because it was a blowout. Then completed his only pass for 62 yards against Okie State in a blowout loss. The stats show 4 rushes for 4 yards but 2 of those rushes were sacks.

 

[GrTexan1]

Update on Jackson:

Down and Out: TCU Football’s injury report is brutal for Kansas

The Frogs are dropping like flies.

www.frogsowar.com

 

[Evergr8ful]

McCulley, a freshman, was thrown to the wolves too early, and surrounded by players who've already thrown in the towel, add to that that his in-game experience was a brutal let-down.

IUFB has lots of seniors graduating, and likely a bunch of transfers out; the next couple years can't look good to the QB-of-the-future. I believe he wanted to play close to home, and this *may* save IUFB from him entering the transfer portal.

Standing on the sidelines a guy can tell himself "It'll be different next year when i play," but being eaten alive, with no likely prospect of it being better next year, could ruin a player's confidence (either in himself or his coaches).

Imho, he was mismanaged by CLEO (Coach-Love-Each-Other), and should've been redshirted at all costs...the results would have been: 1) the same W-L record, 2) player's confidence (or at least his enthusiasm) wouldn't have been tested (ruined?), 3) DM would still have 4yrs of eligibility for a team who'll be desperate for playmakers in '22 and beyond.

POTFH

Caveat - It's common knowledge that he was likely to play for Purdue before Sam "Flake" Jackson was offered and committed. Regardless of team a player -- who was so close to committing to you -- will often have a great game against you. I'm not predicting an upset, but he certainly has motivation to show CJB that he made a bad decision. (whether a bad decision or not, from the *player's perspective*...that's always added motivation).

 

[FiveWeight]

Speaking of Sindelar, I believe he was leading the nation in yards/game prior to his injury. With talk of him potentially being NFL material, I was absolutely shocked he didn’t come back after rehab and take that 6th season of eligibility with David Bell and Rondale Moore, or that there wasn’t more talk about what had been left on the table. Brohm clearly knows something about developing QBs, which is what’s needed at a big 10 school when going up against big strong lines at OSU, Michigan, etc.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Speaking of Sindelar, I believe he was leading the nation in yards/game prior to his injury. With talk of him potentially being NFL material, I was absolutely shocked he didn’t come back after rehab and take that 6th season of eligibility with David Bell and Rondale Moore, or that there wasn’t more talk about what had been left on the table. Brohm clearly knows something about developing QBs, which is what’s needed at a big 10 school when going up against big strong lines at OSU, Michigan, etc.

My guess is that so many injuries took their toll on him and he decided to put his engineering degree to good use.

 

[boilermaker75]

My guess is that so many injuries took their toll on him and he decided to put his engineering degree to good use.

Exactly, it was especially the concussion that caused him concerns.

 

[Pu71indy]

My guess is that so many injuries took their toll on him and he decided to put his engineering degree to good use.

Speaking of Sindelar, I believe he was leading the nation in yards/game prior to his injury. With talk of him potentially being NFL material, I was absolutely shocked he didn’t come back after rehab and take that 6th season of eligibility with David Bell and Rondale Moore, or that there wasn’t more talk about what had been left on the table. Brohm clearly knows something about developing QBs, which is what’s needed at a big 10 school when going up against big strong lines at OSU, Michigan, etc.

He was getting married, had an engineering diploma in hand and a job offer from either Ford or GM I believe.

 

[boilermaker75]

He was getting married, had an engineering diploma in hand and a job offer from either Ford or GM I believe.

He was getting married, but I don't think the job was Ford or GM. His interest was in power engineering. I don't think it was a utility, but a company that makes components for utilities.

 

[Purdue85]

He was getting married, but I don't think the job was Ford or GM. His interest was in power engineering. I don't think it was a utility, but a company that makes components for utilities.

Fiat Chrysler, Tipton, IN

 

[NDAFArly]

Hunter Johnson, who had all the tools, ruined at Northwestern. All their QBs are terrible. They've ruined them all.

Donoven McCulley absolutely being ruined at IU. The 3rd 4-star QB ruined by that staff in a single off season.

Brandon Peters at Illinois. SMH.

Johnson failed at Clemson and was passed over immediately there & even he knew he was in over his head.
Peters went to Michigan before Illinois & was passed over there twice.
They both were who they were, didn’t matter where they went.
Programs don’t change who you are. There is a reason David Cutcliff gets all kinds of credit but sucks as a coach. It’s because he gets credit for guys who were already Elite (like Peyton & Eli Manning).

 

[boilermaker75]

Fiat Chrysler, Tipton, IN

Thanks

 

[BCfanatic2020]

McCulley, a freshman, who was thrown to the wolves too early, and surrounded by players who've already thrown in the towel, and his in-game experience being a brutal let-down.

IUFB has lots of seniors graduating, and likely a bunch of transfers out; the next couple years can't look good to the QB-of-the-future. I believe he wanted to play close to home, and this *may* save IUFB from him entering the transfer portal.

Standing on the sidelines a guy can tell himself "It'll be different next year when i play," but being eaten alive, with no likely prospect of it being better next year, can ruin a player's confidence (either in himself or his coaches).

Imho, he was mismanaged by CLEO (Coach-Love-Each-Other), and should've been redshirted at all costs...the results would have been: 1) the same W-L record, 2) player's confidence wouldn't have been tested (ruined?), 3) DM would still have 4yrs of eligibility for a team who'll be desperate for playmakers in '22.

POTFH

Caveat - It's common knowledge that he was likely to play for Purdue before Sam "Flake" Jackson was offered and committed. Regardless of team(s) a player who was so close to committing to you, will often have a great game against you. I'm not predicting an upset, but he certainly has motivation to show CJB that he made a bad decision. (whether a bad decision or not, from the player's perspective...there's always added motivation).

I think people are off base here as they often are with conventional wisdom.

his confidence was ruined you say? What Aidan Oconnell does is hard. He feels the rush, reads coverages, goes through progressions, can step up in the pocket and delivers accurate passes to where his receiver WILL BE.

Adrian Martinez can’t do any of that. His plan is to reposition you with his legs so he can either make a big gain or have a wide open receiver that even he can throw to.

to bounce to a fourth person who isn’t McCulley lol.. CJ Stroud has it right .. you can be a QB who can run without relying on your feet first, thus stunting your Oconnell growth.

ive seen nothing from mcculley, just like I’ve seen nothing from Martinez, to indicate that all the confidence in the world is going to help him conduct a pass offense. I see a guy who could be a big bad poised senior and still be good for 1 to 2 reads.