Would rather have someone do what they're asked to do very well than someone try to do things they aren't capable of doing well to try to meet your criteria of what you want your guard to be. Then again, I'm into winning.
Purdue Recruiting younger Thompson?
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Would rather have someone do what they're asked to do very well than someone try to do things they aren't capable of doing well to try to meet your criteria of what you want your guard to be. Then again, I'm into winning.
I like winning also. But PG is the most important position on the floor and the key to success in the tourney. I don't think this is a FF team to begin with, but it's even tougher to advance when your weakest link of your starting 5 is the most important position.
If we do go to the FF I can guarantee it will be because of PJ and not in spite of.
Yea we get it. You want a 5-star prospect as your point guard and are going to bitch incessantly about the one we do have until then. Nothing new there.
Yesterday Isaiah tweeted he had been at the Louisville game and what an incredible atmosphere it was...I don't follow him ...lol- But because I do follow purdue Basket Ball tweets it came through to me as they were addressed... He seemed truly excited.
I don't follow him either but I think I saw it originally because I do follow PJ and he re-tweeted it when the offer came before their in-season social media ban started.
Here is something for consideration...anyone that has played in the half court knows that it is much easier to score 4 on 4 than 5 on 5. Whenever any team has a person they must guard at the three that pulls a defender close and opens up the court for the others. Obviously there are many factors whether a player is a win-win that can shoot and may not be as strong in other areas, but make no mistake the ability to do that removes some help defense for others. It is a team game...and what one contributes individually sometimes is greater for a team overall.
Consequently he does create things for other players..just in a different way
He doesn't have to start for any other B1G teams...he gets to start at Purdue, where he started every single game for the B1G champs last season and will likely start for a team that has a reasonable chance to win it again this year. I don't care if he could or couldn't start at another school....he starts for Purdue, and that's good enough for me (along with his amazing Ast/TO ratio).
With that logic, would Kramer have started at other programs given he was a total liability on offense?
Wisconsin had an All-B1G 7-footer last year and I didn't see their superior PG lead them to a championship. Apparently it isn't that easy.
Well he has been a huge part of a team that was the best in the B1G last year and is top 4 this year. So yes I would say he is better than the starting PGs on a lot of rosters, particularly those that value defense, 3pt shooting, and a high A:TO ratio. Do you even watch college basketball?
Don't get me started on Kramer....Yes, great defender, hard nosed kid, but not a B10 level guard. Remind me again how far we got in the tourney with him starting?
Come on man. If he doesn't have a 7 footer or an AA the throw it into on the block or if he doesn't have a wide open 3, tell me what he excels at?
Rebounding? No
Dribble penetration? No
Breaking a press? No
Getting to the rim or foul line? No
Defense? He's a pretty good on ball defender.
So your argument revolt around the other members of the team he would play with? That’s an odd defense. Anyway many BIG teams do have decent centers or forwards to feed so your point is mute. ... and yes he can break the press and hit open 3 s reliably. He is a damn site better than Timtum.
The argument is that his turnover to assist ratio is great because he's had NBA talent on the block to feed.
An no, he struggles with the press. He's an OK ball handler, not a great ball handler but struggles because he's 5'9.
But, there's a reason he was ranked about 400 and recruited by no other B10 schools.
Look PJ. Thompson has been good for Purdue but I would not want another one of him if possible. Purdue Needed a guard that could dribble the ball up the floor and PJ provided that and Purdue was a better team before that.
But playing a guy like Thompson limits how great your team can be. His lack of height hurts on defense, his lack of playmaking hurts on offense. People harp on his A/TO ratio when forgetting that he averages 2.5 assists a game as a pass first point guard. He also is a horrid rebounder it seems like opposing point guards have been killing us on the glass while he average a grand total of 1. board a game.
Playing him hurts you in terms of oppurtunity cost because while he isn't actively hurting the team he also isn't winning games its like having Orton as your QB.
As for his brother IDK I don't know enough about him but I would probably be fine with a PJ thompson that is 2 inches taller since it would help a lot of his issues
But playing a guy like Thompson limits how great your team can be. His lack of height hurts on defense, his lack of playmaking hurts on offense. People harp on his A/TO ratio when forgetting that he averages 2.5 assists a game as a pass first point guard. He also is a horrid rebounder it seems like opposing point guards have been killing us on the glass while he average a grand total of 1. board a game.
Playing him hurts you in terms of oppurtunity cost because while he isn't actively hurting the team he also isn't winning games its like having Orton as your QB.
As for his brother IDK I don't know enough about him but I would probably be fine with a PJ thompson that is 2 inches taller since it would help a lot of his issues
So he isn’t good against press, but his TO numbers are tops in NCAA?
Faulty logic!
I would take. PJ every 4 years if you could promise to get one for me.
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Is it just a Purdue thing to crap on players? Does this happen everywhere?
I am totally befuddled at this thread. A thread started about PJ’s brother becomes a bash PJ Thompson thread.
All he has done is play major minutes on a team who has
Never finished less than 3rd in conference
Never missed the tournament
Big ten Champs
Silver medalist at WUG
80-32 total record to date
Sometimes I hate our fan base.
I am totally befuddled at this thread. A thread started about PJ’s brother becomes a bash PJ Thompson thread.
All he has done is play major minutes on a team who has
Never finished less than 3rd in conference
Never missed the tournament
Big ten Champs
Silver medalist at WUG
80-32 total record to date
Sometimes I hate our fan base.
It's not even close to the entire fan base though. Just a few select people and every fan base has some.
Yes I don’t mean to insinuate the whole fan base.
Oh and we didn’t return to tourney till PJ enrolled. Coincidence?
On balance, I think that he helps the offense substantially. One of the reasons that Vince and Carsen have room to operate is that PJ (and Dakota and Cline) create room to operate with their shooting threat. PJ is great at moving the ball. It may not seem like much, but it is what makes the offense work.
He’s also a solid defender with good larteral quickness.
How on earth can you say that Kramer was not a B10 level guard.
HE WAS DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR TWICE.
We won a regular season title, a conference title, and made 2 sweet 16's with him on the roster.
I guess I'll assume blame for derailing this thread by bringing up Dakich's comparison of the two Thompson's.
I never meant it as a bashing of PJ's game - just questioning how Dakich could so confidently say that Isaiah would NOT be better than PJ.
PJ has become a very effective guard, has been the reason we've won quite a few games, is perfect in Painter's system, and I trust him more than any PG we've had since... Porter Roberts?
Anyone bashing him reminds me of when people bashed Eifert getting playing time. It's like they have a preconceived notion of how effective the players are based on how they look... and then they don't watch the game.
Porter Roberts was not as good a 3 point shooter and shot fewer 3s as well. Porter's assist/TO ratio was around 2 which I think is less than PJ's, but he averaged about 4 or 5 assists per game which I think is slightly higher. Porter may have been a better defender. Both solid players. You can't have 5 superstar scoring types on on the floor at once. There's only one ball. Someone has to do the other stuff.
So no other BIG team has NBA talent for PJ to feed in the post? I don’t get your argument. I stand by my statement. Almost every team in the BIG would start a 4year PJ.
Which is why Kramer has gotten Player of the Week some many times in the European League, right...?? ( google it..) You really don't know much about our Boilermakers, current or past do you?
Are you really so unhappy ALL the time? My sympathies Fish... Hopefully you can find a positive influence in your life soon...
Gee. Big Dog or Swanigan must not have been B10 level players based on that logic.
And that argument has been easily destroyed by multiple people here. IU, MSU, Wisconsin, OSU, and UM have had "NBA talent on the block to feed". Tell us which of their point guards came close to PJ's TO/A ratio.
If MSU had PJ last year, they likely would have won the B1G.
Well he just came out to everyone that he knows nothing about college basketball since Kramer is making a killing playing pro ball.
Wait, what? You do realize Orton is the 2nd best QB we’ve have had since 1985, and played 9 seasons in the NFL right? Did you prefer Trefzger, or maybe Ter Bush?
Yeah I was actually thinking of Ortons NFL Career, where he was prettty much always a top 32 QB but you were looking for someone else if he was starting for you even though he lead the bears pretty well, I was thinking of a play not to lose qB
Oh yes, he brings the ball up court without losing it; rarely has turnovers; hits open shots so teams can't lay off of him; hits clutch free throws; his defense is considerably improved; and doesn't worry about his stats. He a consummate team player that makes everyone else around him better.
I am shocked people don’t see this. You also can’t sag off PJ and clog the lanes. Makes it easier for H&H Incorporated to do their business of doing the dirty work.
PJ has been outstanding for us. A warrior and a true Boiler.
Kramer is a Purdue legend and deserving of every superlative heaped upon him.
Isaiah sounds like he'd be a fabulous addition. I hope he comes here.
Kramer is a Purdue legend and deserving of every superlative heaped upon him.
Isaiah sounds like he'd be a fabulous addition. I hope he comes here.
PJ is also a great example for the young guys who aren't getting as much playing time as they want this season.
As a freshman PJ had 4 DNPs and 10 other games where he played less than 10 minutes. When his junior season rolled around, he was the undisputed starter playing 29 MPG for the B1G champs.
If the new guys are listening to and learning everything they can from PJ, they'll realize they all have the potential to be big contributors to Purdue bball. They just need to keep grinding and putting in the hard work to get better, and the opportunity will come.
As a freshman PJ had 4 DNPs and 10 other games where he played less than 10 minutes. When his junior season rolled around, he was the undisputed starter playing 29 MPG for the B1G champs.
If the new guys are listening to and learning everything they can from PJ, they'll realize they all have the potential to be big contributors to Purdue bball. They just need to keep grinding and putting in the hard work to get better, and the opportunity will come.
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