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When: Saturday, December 17th

Where: Bankers Life Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN

Tip-Off: 2 PM

TV: ESPN2


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (12th season)

Notre Dame: Mike Brey (17th season)


Projected Starters:

Purdue:

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 185 (Fr.): averaging 11.3 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 2 APG, 40% FG's (42-106), 62% FT's (13-21), 32% 3PT's (16-50), and 21.7 MPG in 10 GP this season

2/1 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 175 (Jr.): averaging 7.8 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 2.9 APG, 43% FG's (27-63), 63% FT's (5-8), 40% 3PT's (19-48), and 25.6 MPG in 10 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 (Jr.): averaging 10.8 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 3.8 APG, 53% FG's (37-70), 75% FT's (6-8), 56% 3PT's (28-50), and 29.8 MPG in 10 GP this season

4/5 #50 Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan 6'9 245 (So.): averaging 15.9 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 3.7 TPG, 2.5 FPG, 60% FG's (53-89), 71% FT's (45-63), 62% 3PT's (8-13), and 30.6 MPG in 10 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 (Jr.): averaging 14.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 2.5 TPG, 64% FG's (51-80), 68% FT's (46-68), no 3PT's attempted, and 23.6 MPG in 10 GP this season


Notre Dame:

1/2 #5 Matt Farrell 6'1 180 (Jr.): averaging 13 PPG, 1.4 SPG, 5.5 APG, 46% FG's (45-99), 100% FT's (24-24), 36% 3PT's (16-45), and 29.7 MPG in 10 GP this season

2/1 #32 Steve Vasturia 6'6 205 (Sr.): averaging 16.6 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 3.1 APG, 51% FG's (57-112), 97% FT's (32-33), 44% 3PT's (20-45), and 30.8 MPG in 10 GP this season

3 #3 V.J. Beachem 6'7 200 (Sr.): averaging 15.5 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 42% FG's (52-124), 83% FT's (30-36), 33% 3PT's (21-63), and 32.1 MPG in 10 GP this season

4/5 #35 Bonzie Colson, Jr. 6'5 225 (Jr.): averaging 16.5 PPG, 10.8 RPG, 1.3 BPG, 1.1 SPG, 2.1 APG, 49% FG's (56-114), 92% FT's (45-49), 36% 3PT's (8-22), and 30.1 MPG in 10 GP this season

5 #23 Martin Geben 6'10 245 (Jr.): averaging 3.6 PPG, 5 RPG, 2.9 FPG, 63% FG's (15-24), 60% FT's (6-10), no 3PT's attempted, and 15 MPG in 10 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue:

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 185 (So.): averaging 7.8 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 62% FG's (16-26), no FT's attempted, 62% 3PT's (15-25), and 19.2 MPG in 6 GP this season

3/4 #5 Basil Smotherman 6'6 225 (Jr.): averaging 5.3 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 59% FG's (20-34), 63% FT's (5-8), 38% 3PT's (3-8), and 16.1 MPG in 9 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vince Edwards 6'8 215 (Jr.): averaging 10.8 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 3.9 APG, 2.7 TPG, 44% FG's (38-86), 73% FT's (16-22), 44% 3PT's (16-36), and 27.5 MPG in 10 GP this season


Notre Dame:

1/2 #2 Temple Gibbs 6'2 190 (Fr.): averaging 5.3 PPG, 3 APG, 45% FG's (17-38), 71% FT's (10-14), 47% 3PT's (9-19), and 14.2 MPG in 10 GP this season

3/2 #0 Rex Pflueger 6'6 200 (So.): averaging 6 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1 SPG, 2 APG, 53% FG's (20-38), 71% FT's (5-7), 53% 3PT's (9-17), and 20 MPG in 9 GP this season

4/3 #4 Matt Ryan 6'7 220 (So.): averaging 6.9 PPG, 2 RPG, 47% FG's (23-49), 75% FT's (3-4), 48% 3PT's (20-42), and 12.8 MPG in 10 GP this season

4/5 #1 Austin Torres 6'6 235 (Sr.): averaging 1.5 PPG, 50% FG's (7-14), 25% FT's (1-4), no 3PT's attempted, and 9.1 MPG in 10 GP this season (scored a career-high 11 points vs. Purdue in Notre Dame's 94-63 win over the Boilers on 12/20/14)


Who Might Play:

Purdue:

4/3 #24 Grady Eifert 6'7 220 (So.): averaging 1 PPG, 100% FG's (3-3), no FT's attempted, no 3PT's attempted, and 3.3 MPG in 6 GP this season


Notre Dame:

4/3 #33 John Mooney 6'8 225 (Fr.): averaging 2.3 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 71% FG's (5-7), 100% FT's (2-2), 50% 3PT's (2-4), and 6.3 MPG in 6 GP this season

5/4 #12 Elijah Burns 6'8 230 (Fr.) (redshirted last season): averaging 1.8 PPG, 25% FG's (1-4), 88% FT's (7-8), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 7.2 MPG in 5 GP this season
 
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Who are the best man-to-man defensive matchups on each possible Notre Dame rotation player? Who would be the best fit at each spot in a 2-3 or 1-3-1 sagging zone or zone trap?

Should Purdue use full-court pressure and trapping to create turnovers and try to get Notre Dame out of sorts? It was effective when it used in the comeback attempt at Louisville, with Swanigan (jumping up and down and using his length to disrupt) guarding the inbounder.
 
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It would be a terrible mistake to zone Notre Dame. They don't have effective post players nor slashers. They have very good spot up shooters.

And Notre Dame leads the nation in turnover percentage so I'm not sure pressing them is a good idea. It just increases the likelihood they get more open looks from three.

I think you'll see a healthy dose of Purdue only having one of Haas or Swanigan on the floor and we will play them straight up man, as we should.
 
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After the Georgia State game, I expressed concern about our defense and how easily Georgia State and Villanova seemed to be able to get to the basket and still get open looks from the 3-line. Well, really, it has not been a problem since then (We didn't lose the Louisville game because of our defense in my opinion).

But ND will be a real test of how well we have cleared up our early defensive issues, mostly allowing penetration. Against a strong offensive team like ND, I don't expect to see perfection, but this game will be a great assessment of our defensive strengths and weaknesses going into the Big Ten season; a very interesting and fun game. I'm really excited about it. Plus, make no mistake, like so many, I absolutely hate, HATE the Irish.
 
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From those stats their starters shoot 37% from 3, and their bench shoots 49% bringing their average to 41%. Pretty good, need to keep somebody from having a 6 for 8 kind of game.

The problem with Purdue in the Crossroads has been their shooting, I think an average shooting night gives them the W this Sat. A good shooting game and they'll win by 20.
 
The Irish are very good, and pose several mismatch's. However, they have no one on their team that can guard Haas or Caleb on the block, but can we find the open man and not turn the ball over? Will Cline and Mathias continue their red hot shooting? Will Carsen perform on the big stage? Need Vince to be Vince and do a little of everything as well. Irish also pushed Nova to the their limit, same as us but was on the road doing it.
 
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Take good shots when open and in flow of offense, box out/rebound both ends, hit free throws and get ND in foul trouble.

If we feed the post and take smart shots........

Purdue 78 ND 74
 
We need some good individual performances to get over the hump in the Cross Roads. We need to play well as a team, but we also need players to play to their potential! We can't be intimidated. If we take it to them and shoot well, Purdue 82, Notre Dame 72. This would give us a lot of confidence heading into the Big Ten Season. This is an important game. Not a must win, but close IMO.
 
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boilerzz said:
It would be a terrible mistake to zone Notre Dame. They don't have effective post players nor slashers. They have very good spot up shooters.

And Notre Dame leads the nation in turnover percentage so I'm not sure pressing them is a good idea. It just increases the likelihood they get more open looks from three.

I think you'll see a healthy dose of Purdue only having one of Haas or Swanigan on the floor and we will play them straight up man, as we should.
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They don't have slashers or post players? You haven't seen any of their games this seasons. Farrell, Vasturia, Beachem, and Gibbs can all get to the rim in the halfcourt and Colson Jr. has been playing above and beyond what anyone could have reasonably expected out of him in the paint this season.

Straight up man defense does not work against Notre Dame, especially when using it for an entire game. But there's no way that could be, right? It's just like how there's no way that Vince Edwards would EVER come off the bench, as you stated previously.
 
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The Irish are very good, and pose several mismatch's. However, they have no one on their team that can guard Haas or Caleb on the block, but can we find the open man and not turn the ball over? Will Cline and Mathias continue their red hot shooting? Will Carsen perform on the big stage? Need Vince to be Vince and do a little of everything as well. Irish also pushed Nova to the their limit, same as us but was on the road doing it.
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Geben (and possibly Colson, Jr., Mooney, and Burns) might be able to do a serviceable job guarding either one of them, along with whatever help D they might have.

Swanigan needs to stop turning the ball over constantly (usually the same ways he turns it over: traveling, poor entry-pass, or putting the ball on the deck and getting it stolen). He had 8 turnovers in the last game!
 
nagemj02 said:
Geben (and possibly Colson, Jr., Mooney, and Burns) might be able to do a serviceable job guarding either one of them, along with whatever help D they might have.

Swanigan needs to stop turning the ball over constantly (usually the same ways he turns it over: traveling, poor entry-pass, or putting the ball on the deck and getting it stolen). He had 8 turnovers in the last game!
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Although the turnovers have been a Yuge problem and source of frustration....this may be a blessing for CS. I don't expect him to have as much trouble two games in a row.....but we shall see. CS had a very good game last year in this Classic with one exception (yeah....you guessed it 7 turnovers).....the bigger concern might be avoiding foul trouble. If CS can play his normal minutes and DM and CE have good games, I like Purdue's chances.

Candidly, I don't have a good feel for this game on how I think it's going to play out other than I expect it to come down to the last 5 minutes or so.

I'm ahead of schedule on removing fragile breakables for Saturday.....so that's good.

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nagemj02 said:
Read through this thread and tell me that you are not insinuating that someone else starting in Vince Edwards' place seems like nonsense to you: https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/purdue-morehead-state-overview.109708/
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You mean this?

Is that like how you thought Spike would be starting a few games ago?

How long have you been following a Matt Painter coached team again?

And how I clarified it with this:

It wasn't about Vince coming off the bench. It was about your suggestion that Basil would replace him. Painter wisely went small because Moorehead State was a very small team and because Carsen deserved a start.

Note how in the first response, I talk about Spike being inserted into the starting lineup (I bolded it for you in case you can't find it). I was clearly referencing your comment about Smotherman being inserted into the starting lineup. You incorrectly attributed it to Vince not starting, which I never referenced.

Dude, you were wrong in your assumption, just like you were wrong about Spike starting and then wrong about Smotherman starting. You've been wrong a lot lately.
 
No, I mean like this:
boilerzz said:
You mean this?

Is that like how you thought Spike would be starting a few games ago?

How long have you been following a Matt Painter coached team again?

And how I clarified it with this:

It wasn't about Vince coming off the bench. It was about your suggestion that Basil would replace him. Painter wisely went small because Moorehead State was a very small team and because Carsen deserved a start.

Note how in the first response, I talk about Spike being inserted into the starting lineup (I bolded it for you in case you can't find it). I was clearly referencing your comment about Smotherman being inserted into the starting lineup. You incorrectly attributed it to Vince not starting, which I never referenced.

Dude, you were wrong in your assumption, just like you were wrong about Spike starting and then wrong about Smotherman starting. You've been wrong a lot lately.
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Your "clarification" came AFTER the game had already been played: look at the time stamps. That can easily be chalked up to you trying to defend your BS in hindsight. And yes, your snarky comment referring to Spike starting, along with your "Never Change Nag!" insinuates that you think it's silly that my projection had Vince Edwards out of the starting lineup. You can't deny it. You haven't agreed with me since the OGFP days and that's fine with me. However, you're trying to cover your tracks and you can't take that you were wrong on this.
 
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No, I mean like this:


Your "clarification" came AFTER the game had already been played: look at the time stamps. That can easily be chalked up to you trying to defend your BS in hindsight. And yes, your snarky comment referring to Spike starting, along with your "Never Change Nag!" insinuates that you think it's silly that my projection had Vince Edwards out of the starting lineup. You can't deny it.
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Why can I not deny something that is wrong. I said never change because you suggested someone would start that had little to no chance of starting. Feel free to keep referencing this though in our interactions. It's yet another reason people shouldn't take you seriously.
 
boilerzz said:
Why can I not deny something that is wrong. I said never change because you suggested someone would start that had little to no chance of starting. Feel free to keep referencing this though in our interactions. It's yet another reason people shouldn't take you seriously.
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You can't prove that that is what you meant since you posted it in hindsight. You tried to defend your statements AFTER that game, which is easy to do after the starting lineups have been decided. You're the one that's always responding to me so if YOU don't want to take me seriously, there's an easy solution for that: don't reply.
 
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Purdue Grad in Texas said:
Although the turnovers have been a Yuge problem and source of frustration....this may be a blessing for CS. I don't expect him to have as much trouble two games in a row.....but we shall see. CS had a very good game last year in this Classic with one exception (yeah....you guessed it 7 turnovers).....the bigger concern might be avoiding foul trouble. If CS can play his normal minutes and DM and CE have good games, I like Purdue's chances.

Candidly, I don't have a good feel for this game on how I think it's going to play out other than I expect it to come down to the last 5 minutes or so.

I'm ahead of schedule on removing fragile breakables for Saturday.....so that's good.

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don't get in foul trouble, don't turn it over, make the bunnies, and for the love of god put that major award in the front window!
 
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1. Being able to limit turnovers
2. Getting stops (defensive effectiveness)
3. Never stop playing with purpose (on to the next play, for the entire game)

I think these are three of the most important aspects of their play if they are to either win or, in general, play well on Saturday.
 
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nagemj02 said:
You can't prove that that is what you meant since you posted it in hindsight. You tried to defend your statements AFTER that game, which is easy to do after the starting lineups have been decided. You're the one that's always responding to me so if YOU don't want to take me seriously, there's an easy solution for that: don't reply.
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So you are questioning my integrity then? I clarified what I meant. I showed the specific inclusion of Spike as opposed to Vince in my initial comment. You are right. I can't do any further. So feel free to call me a liar.
 
boilerzz said:
So you are questioning my integrity then? I clarified what I meant. I showed the specific inclusion of Spike as opposed to Vince in my initial comment. You are right. I can't do any further. So feel free to call me a liar.
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Yes, I can question your integrity, just like you have with me.
 
nagemj02 said:
1. Being able to limit turnovers
2. Getting stops (defensive effectiveness)
3. Never stop playing with purpose (on to the next play, for the entire game)

I think these are three of the most important aspects of their play if they are to either win or, in general, play well on Saturday.
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4. Play a killer zone (that's the only way to stop the Domers).
 
just to throw a little perspective on that 2014 game, that was a damn good ND team that was a 3 away from beating undefeated Kentucky to go to the Final Four. (and honestly ND should have won that game). For our game, it wouldn't have mattered what defense we played ... we were outmatched. (though, i do think sprinkling in mixed defenses from time-to-time to not be so predicable isn't a bad thing).
 
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Appears to me, not to distract from the main purpose of this post, that two to three posters want to constantly complain and whine to each other. Honestly, start your own thread for just the two or three of you so everyone else can just enjoy the content and discussion being posted rather than your insignificant drivel.

As for the game tomorrow, the easiest way for Purdue to win is to limit the TO's to under 10. That requires a mental edge and sharpness from everyone but particularly Biggie. I think he some times gets to much of a 'hero ball' mentality and his thinking gets ahead of his athletic ability. If he slows down, allows the flow of the game to come to him, AND play with an edge...he is one of the better players in the country. If he turns the ball over more than 4 times himself...Purdue is in trouble.
 
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boilerzz said:
When have I questioned your integrity? I've questioned your thought process. I've question your knowledge of the game and the Purdue coaches. But I don't think I've ever questioned your integrity. If it appears that I have, I apologize.
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Don't apologize. Nag just isn't very tolerant to anyone that doesn't agree with him. His opinions are fact and others are just wrong. There is no having a rational discussion with someone like him.
 
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Also of note: going into this game, Notre Dame is #1 in college basketball in overall team free-throw percentage (86%). So, the Boilers would be better off limiting their fouls and not getting "overly" physical with them.
 
Vegas likes Purdue, so do I
We should pick up the W and have a great non conf resume builder
 
I never have a good feeling going into the Crossroads given history, but I'm hopeful.

Bigs need to hit their bunnies, preferably like Steve Sheffler as a senior (man, I wish they each had his 30+ inch vertical).

Shooters need to hit shots. Bigs hitting bunnies should give them space to do so.

Need solid team D without excessive fouling - as pointed out, ND is amazingly good from the line.

Turnovers are our Achilles & ND is good at making opponents turn it over... not a great combination - gotta protect the rock.

Boiler Up!
 
I've hated this thing since it began, for the simple reason this is NEVER a neutral court for us. The reversibles always hang around to cheer for whomever we play and while it shouldn't impact things, its still the principle dangit!

Anyway, turnovers will be key. Keep them low and we have a good shot at winning. Also keep ND off of the foul line That might be difficult since the refs sill seemingly don't know how to call a game with someone of Haas' size.

I also predict that if we win, then the forum will be filled with euphoric posts of greatness and for good reason. If we lose then the unrealistic negative posts from the painter-haters will be out to the point of making everyone sick and claim the season is over already.
 
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