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Please give Brohm a chance

Well duh, our results the last 4 years have kind of reflected the ranking of our recruiting class.

I would argue the performance on the field was much worse than our recruiting rankings. Performing up to, or above, that level will be a great improvement. Coaching matters.
 
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Well duh, our results the last 4 years have kind of reflected the ranking of our recruiting class. It's my belief this class may be the best recruiting class Purdue has had in the past 5 years. However, what is not talked about on this forum very much except your IU taunts, is that every other team in the BIG 10 including Rutgers also had a very strong recruiting class. In a couple of years, the BIG 10 will be the strongest conference top to bottom. I see our progress. But I also see the progress of our BIG 10 opposition. Like the election, we need to stop talking about what Brohm did at WKU. That's the past. We need to to stop comparing Brohm to Hazell. It's a given by default any coach would be better than Hazell. We need to start comparing Brohm with his contemporary other BIG 10 coaches and the job they are doing at their respective schools. From this day forward, We need to compare him to Smith, Allen, and Fleck etc.

My judgment will come in the fall by what I see on the football field. Not some silly star recruiting rating system.
 
I would argue the performance on the field was much worse than our recruiting rankings. Performing up to, or above, that level will be a great improvement. Coaching matters.

That's. Really sad , but accurate. There were a lot of bad coaching decisions made by Hazell on the field. If Purdue played like they did against IU in every game, We could have easily averaged 5 wins with talent we had.
 
this coming from a guy who wears a dunce hat. and that optimistic smile on your face.
You don't know the backstory of why I have the dunce cap on. Those that know, know that it was a funny goof on my part that was fairly obvious and I self-imposed the dunce cap for the error. It has stuck and as I explained then, I'll probably keep it for awhile.
 
You don't know the backstory of why I have the dunce cap on. Those that know, know that it was a funny goof on my part that was fairly obvious and I self-imposed the dunce cap for the error. It has stuck and as I explained then, I'll probably keep it for awhile.


I'll readily admit I've made many mistakes. Choosing Purdue over Northwestern and UW was not one of them . Then again...... if I......had only......
 
Looks like Purdue Tim. is more depressed and more negative than me. I wish I could read your responses to his soapbox decree, but I already know what they will be. Patience, A few more years, Can't build Rome in a day, give Brohm a chance. We need Purdue Tim on this board to generate a few more likes for me.
 
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Yup. When I see a school like Toledo signing a 3* 300 Lb DT flipping him from Minn, and then I see us stealing a 2* RB/Lb with no power 5 offers from Toledo creating the room for Toledo to do so, I become rather depressed.

I get my hopes up high, and then reality sets in. I forget we are Purdue. What depresses me more is reading all the archived posts saying how great a coach Hazell is, and how bad Butch Jones is ,and how we need to have patience and give the guy a chance. It gets depressing reading the same thing over and over again by new posters while seeing the same results.

FWIW..that DT who flipped from Minny had academic issues reportedly. I hereby recommend you discard your 'stargazing'...I believe the staff knows how to evaluate talent and the S&C folks know how to physically condition the players to fit CJBs offense. He's just getting started. Peace....
 
My prediction of wins wasn't changed by 1 commit. My original prediction of 6 wins was made the day we signed Brohm. And I looked at our schedule and thought we had 6 winnable games. Many posters thought my prediction and expectations were too high. So now looking at how Brohm has almost completed his first recruiting class, I'm lowering my expectations about our future success this year.

What saddens me is that so many other posters also predict a 4 win season and are happy about it and see it as a great improvement over Hazell. What saddens me is that so many people are looking forward to a future of a 7-6 season in several years down the road with a win at a pizza bowl game as a great season.

I'm. Sorry. My hopes were that Purdue could elevate its program to be a consistent 8+ win season and maybe throw in a couple of 9-10 win seasons. We may win 8 games under Brohm some day. But the reality of today and this season is starting to set in. Purdue is Purdue .

And the real reality is the knowledge that neither Fleck or Miles or Sumlin or Strong would have been a better choice.

The reality is setting in. And I am sorry, I will never be happy with a 4-8 season. Called me a Downer. Call me delusional. Call me Eyore. Call me uninformed. I don't really care.

I think you need to find a new team buddy. Reality is that Purdue will never be a powerhouse football team. Would it be nice, of course. If you want a team like that then root for OSU or Michigan. You need to be realistic with yourself.
 
I think you need to find a new team buddy. Reality is that Purdue will never be a powerhouse football team. Would it be nice, of course. If you want a team like that then root for OSU or Michigan. You need to be realistic with yourself.
6-6 is not a powerhouse demand.
 
6-6 is not a powerhouse demand.
I think we all expect to get there. But most of us realize it won't happen next year. But next year is all about creating momentum, winning a game or two no one expects us to, playing an exciting brand of ball, and building a B1G quality recruiting class. None of those expectations change because of who did or didn't sign today.
 
nobody ever said 5* recruits. What I am most upset about are all the 2* recruit commitments without any other power 5 school offers. I didn't like many of Hazell's recruits either. If other power 5 schools are not interested in these players, why is Brohm interested? other than he recruited them while he was at WKU. Dorothy said it best. We're not in Kansas anymore. Rather than pursuing the same recruits Brohm recruited for WKU, I expected him to recruit the same level of players other power 5 schools and BIG 10 teams recruited.
A bunch of four- and five - star recruits were ready to sign with Purdue, then they read your posts here and decided to sign with a school that has a more positive fan base. Way to go.
 
Purdue just came off the worst three years in program history. It'll take time for Brohm to improve our team and develop relationships. All he can really do now is sell playing time. Whatever coach you preferred to Brohm would have been in the same predicament. It'd be much worse if it was Miles, because no way in hell a kid is leaving LSU for us.

Yes, but there were plenty of kids that wanted to play for LSU that he was in contact with that wanted to play for him and he couldn't offer. I am sure Les would have done just fine. I think CJB was a better long term fit, but Les is a winner and he would have pulled in some talent. CJB seems to be a very good talent evaluator and knows what fits his system. Some questionable offers but overall, a big improvement over DH.
 
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it would appear there are more than just one skeptical fan here. But there are many of you that love to diss and name call others who disagree with you. Some of your calling is expected. I've posted on other boards and met similar juvenile comments.. Did you ever think it might be your comments that turn people off ?? Take a look at your IU taunt thread. it's embarrassing to adults over 21. Did it ever occur to you that your happiness and acceptance of 4 wins per year might offend real football players? I know I'm offended at people who believe a 6-6 season is great. You accept mediocrity and that's what you got. There are more two star recruits in this class than the previous six classes. and you say, you don't care about rankings. but if they were 4/5 star recruits, you'd brag about them to the world. I doubt any recruit was turned off by my posts. and it's not like I told White or Potts to sign with Cincy.

Just because a person disagrees with your viewpoint does not give you the right to personally attack them.

I gave Brohm a chance. His first job was to build a recruiting class. He was given 16 recruits by Hazell , and 1 recruit by Parker. Brohm replaced 12 of Hazell's recruits with players he was familiar with. And during the last week, he found himself reaching for players to fill his roster much like Hazell did. This class despite Brohm's efforts was ranked as the worst recruiting class in the Big ten. And it would have ranked lower if we didn't have 24 recruits. The class is heavy on wide receivers and defensive backs and not much else.

I praise Brohm for going after some elite players, but the fact is, he wasn't able to close the deal on any of them. I also praise Brohm for going after juco players to fill holes. However, since a lot of brohm's recruits are projects, Purdue will once again have a depth problem next season as the majority of those recruits will be redshirted.

The facts are Brohm recruited 19 of the players of this class. Given a year. would he have been able to do a better job? or would he still recruit the type of players he recruited at WKU ? I was disappointed in his efforts in the past few days - if you're are going to reach and go after projects, that none of those projects were from Indiana. It appears the two recruits from Carmel were token Indiana representation.

I'm going to give Brohm a C minus as a rating for his first job . yes, there were factors, yes he had minimal time, but in looking at the bottom line objectively and taking away the factors, and just looking at the product, it's hard to rank this class any higher. it is dead last in the BIG 10.

Brohm's next chance is the Spring game and 2018 recruiting, and summer camp. To be successful, he should have 15 recruits before the season starts. To be successful, he needs to attract elite players to his Summer camp. and to be successful he needs to know his 2 deep depth chart before fall practice. And yes, i'll provide my opinion.

Brohm's next chance is on the field. it's not an easy schedule. I originally said upon his hiring there were 6 winnable games. I f he wins 6 games, I'll give him props. if he only wins 3-4 , I'll complain.

and why? because I expect results. We're paying Brohm $1 million more than Hazell, and we're paying Hazell's buyout. I said this exact same thing when we hired Hazell, if our goal is only to win 2-3 games, we might have just kept the previous coach and saved the salary. if we finish in last, even as much as I hated Hazell, we should have just kept him and saved the $4 million.

I still can't believe you posters have patience and are willing to accept a 4-5 win season. That' the reason Hope was fired. Winning 4-5 games should not be accepted or tolerated. and you'll be ecstatic if we ever win 6.

I gave Brohm a chance. But I learned my lesson with all the other bad coaches Purdue has had. I'm not just going to sit back and say he needs 3-4 years to build a winner.

And when I judge his recruiting success, I'm not going to judge it against the previous Boiler teams. Unfortunately, we don't get that gimme win of playing ourselves like the rest of the league does. I'm going to judge his recruiting success against his peers and other BIG 10 teams. So being objective and looking at Purdue's recruiting class, and just looking at the class without any other factors, how does the end result compare? and what's the best we can ever hope for? and ask yourself, if Purdue is competitive in every other sport, why are we so terrible at football?
 
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it would appear there are more than just one skeptical fan here. But there are many of you that love to diss and name call others who disagree with you. Some of your calling is expected. I've posted on other boards and met similar juvenile comments.. Did you ever think it might be your comments that turn people off ?? Take a look at your IU taunt thread. it's embarrassing to adults over 21. Did it ever occur to you that your happiness and acceptance of 4 wins per year might offend real football players? I know I'm offended at people who believe a 6-6 season is great. You accept mediocrity and that's what you got. There are more two star recruits in this class than the previous six classes. and you say, you don't care about rankings. but if they were 4/5 star recruits, you'd brag about them to the world. I doubt any recruit was turned off by my posts. and it's not like I told White or Potts to sign with Cincy.

Just because a person disagrees with your viewpoint does not give you the right to personally attack them.

I gave Brohm a chance. His first job was to build a recruiting class. He was given 16 recruits by Hazell , and 1 recruit by Parker. Brohm replaced 12 of Hazell's recruits with players he was familiar with. And during the last week, he found himself reaching for players to fill his roster much like Hazell did. This class despite Brohm's efforts was ranked as the worst recruiting class in the Big ten. And it would have ranked lower if we didn't have 24 recruits. The class is heavy on wide receivers and defensive backs and not much else.

I praise Brohm for going after some elite players, but the fact is, he wasn't able to close the deal on any of them. I also praise Brohm for going after juco players to fill holes. However, since a lot of brohm's recruits are projects, Purdue will once again have a depth problem next season as the majority of those recruits will be redshirted.

The facts are Brohm recruited 19 of the players of this class. Given a year. would he have been able to do a better job? or would he still recruit the type of players he recruited at WKU ? I was disappointed in his efforts in the past few days - if you're are going to reach and go after projects, that none of those projects were from Indiana. It appears the two recruits from Carmel were token Indiana representation.

I'm going to give Brohm a C minus as a rating for his first job . yes, there were factors, yes he had minimal time, but in looking at the bottom line objectively and taking away the factors, and just looking at the product, it's hard to rank this class any higher. it is dead last in the BIG 10.

Brohm's next chance is the Spring game and 2018 recruiting, and summer camp. To be successful, he should have 15 recruits before the season starts. To be successful, he needs to attract elite players to his Summer camp. and to be successful he needs to know his 2 deep depth chart before fall practice. And yes, i'll provide my opinion.

Brohm's next chance is on the field. it's not an easy schedule. I originally said upon his hiring there were 6 winnable games. I f he wins 6 games, I'll give him props. if he only wins 3-4 , I'll complain.

and why? because I expect results. We're paying Brohm $1 million more than Hazell, and we're paying Hazell's buyout. I said this exact same thing when we hired Hazell, if our goal is only to win 2-3 games, we might have just kept the previous coach and saved the salary. if we finish in last, even as much as I hated Hazell, we should have just kept him and saved the $4 million.

I still can't believe you posters have patience and are willing to accept a 4-5 win season. That' the reason Hope was fired. Winning 4-5 games should not be accepted or tolerated. and you'll be ecstatic if we ever win 6.

I gave Brohm a chance. But I learned my lesson with all the other bad coaches Purdue has had. I'm not just going to sit back and say he needs 3-4 years to build a winner.

And when I judge his recruiting success, I'm not going to judge it against the previous Boiler teams. Unfortunately, we don't get that gimme win of playing ourselves like the rest of the league does. I'm going to judge his recruiting success against his peers and other BIG 10 teams. So being objective and looking at Purdue's recruiting class, and just looking at the class without any other factors, how does the end result compare? and what's the best we can ever hope for? and ask yourself, if Purdue is competitive in every other sport, why are we so terrible at football?
Very good post and I think you are spot on. The recruiting class was a disappointment no matter how one spins it. His next class must be considerably better or we will basement dwellers for a much longer time.
 
it would appear there are more than just one skeptical fan here. But there are many of you that love to diss and name call others who disagree with you. Some of your calling is expected. I've posted on other boards and met similar juvenile comments.. Did you ever think it might be your comments that turn people off ?? Take a look at your IU taunt thread. it's embarrassing to adults over 21. Did it ever occur to you that your happiness and acceptance of 4 wins per year might offend real football players? I know I'm offended at people who believe a 6-6 season is great. You accept mediocrity and that's what you got. There are more two star recruits in this class than the previous six classes. and you say, you don't care about rankings. but if they were 4/5 star recruits, you'd brag about them to the world. I doubt any recruit was turned off by my posts. and it's not like I told White or Potts to sign with Cincy.

Just because a person disagrees with your viewpoint does not give you the right to personally attack them.

I gave Brohm a chance. His first job was to build a recruiting class. He was given 16 recruits by Hazell , and 1 recruit by Parker. Brohm replaced 12 of Hazell's recruits with players he was familiar with. And during the last week, he found himself reaching for players to fill his roster much like Hazell did. This class despite Brohm's efforts was ranked as the worst recruiting class in the Big ten. And it would have ranked lower if we didn't have 24 recruits. The class is heavy on wide receivers and defensive backs and not much else.

I praise Brohm for going after some elite players, but the fact is, he wasn't able to close the deal on any of them. I also praise Brohm for going after juco players to fill holes. However, since a lot of brohm's recruits are projects, Purdue will once again have a depth problem next season as the majority of those recruits will be redshirted.

The facts are Brohm recruited 19 of the players of this class. Given a year. would he have been able to do a better job? or would he still recruit the type of players he recruited at WKU ? I was disappointed in his efforts in the past few days - if you're are going to reach and go after projects, that none of those projects were from Indiana. It appears the two recruits from Carmel were token Indiana representation.

I'm going to give Brohm a C minus as a rating for his first job . yes, there were factors, yes he had minimal time, but in looking at the bottom line objectively and taking away the factors, and just looking at the product, it's hard to rank this class any higher. it is dead last in the BIG 10.

Brohm's next chance is the Spring game and 2018 recruiting, and summer camp. To be successful, he should have 15 recruits before the season starts. To be successful, he needs to attract elite players to his Summer camp. and to be successful he needs to know his 2 deep depth chart before fall practice. And yes, i'll provide my opinion.

Brohm's next chance is on the field. it's not an easy schedule. I originally said upon his hiring there were 6 winnable games. I f he wins 6 games, I'll give him props. if he only wins 3-4 , I'll complain.

and why? because I expect results. We're paying Brohm $1 million more than Hazell, and we're paying Hazell's buyout. I said this exact same thing when we hired Hazell, if our goal is only to win 2-3 games, we might have just kept the previous coach and saved the salary. if we finish in last, even as much as I hated Hazell, we should have just kept him and saved the $4 million.

I still can't believe you posters have patience and are willing to accept a 4-5 win season. That' the reason Hope was fired. Winning 4-5 games should not be accepted or tolerated. and you'll be ecstatic if we ever win 6.

I gave Brohm a chance. But I learned my lesson with all the other bad coaches Purdue has had. I'm not just going to sit back and say he needs 3-4 years to build a winner.

And when I judge his recruiting success, I'm not going to judge it against the previous Boiler teams. Unfortunately, we don't get that gimme win of playing ourselves like the rest of the league does. I'm going to judge his recruiting success against his peers and other BIG 10 teams. So being objective and looking at Purdue's recruiting class, and just looking at the class without any other factors, how does the end result compare? and what's the best we can ever hope for? and ask yourself, if Purdue is competitive in every other sport, why are we so terrible at football?
If nothing else, i do like your passion.
 
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Results will be determined on the field.

I will agree the games will provide a chance to judge Brohm. . but we will have several chances to judge him before the games begin.

t was very easy to judge Hazell. in his first year while his contemporaries had 10-25 commitments, he started his football season with 2-5 and said, the product on the field will win over recruits.

in his first camp, he attracted elite recruits, but unlike his peers, he didn't gain commitments from them. he had a 4 * receiver attend his camp and sad he liked it, and then attended an OSU camp and committed to OSU while at that camp.

we have 4 early enrollees. We will have a chance to see how good they are at the Spring game. if they are as good as we believe them to be, they should earn starting positions. And if they don't, we're in really bad shape.

So in judging Brohm, you can't just look to the wins in the fall. You have to judge each phase. Hazell was not just a bad game day coach. he was a terrible recruiter, his camps didn't attract any elite players, and he didn't develop the players he was given. and all that lack of preparation before the season started led to a disastrous season. The QB battles should have been settled in the Spring, not during the season. You don't change QBs in the middle of the season.

So it is with Brohm. he's got a tough job ahead of him. I remember a successful coach after a bowl game victory saying, that season is now over, I'll give myself 6 hours off to celebrate, and then I'll go back to work. Being a head coach at a power 5 school is a 12 month job. I noticed a lot of other BIG 10 schools already have 5-10 commitments for 2018. Brohm finished this season, and he can relax for 12 hours and go back out there tomorrow.
 
I don't give two ***** about recruiting if he wins on Saturday. You can try to micro-analyze every step of the way if you want....and apparently you do..... but the bottom line is that he has be able to win with what he gets. Tiller's first class was terrible too on paper but he was able to build a winner with it.
 
nobody ever said 5* recruits. What I am most upset about are all the 2* recruit commitments without any other power 5 school offers. I didn't like many of Hazell's recruits either. If other power 5 schools are not interested in these players, why is Brohm interested? other than he recruited them while he was at WKU. Dorothy said it best. We're not in Kansas anymore. Rather than pursuing the same recruits Brohm recruited for WKU, I expected him to recruit the same level of players other power 5 schools and BIG 10 teams recruited.

9-39 the last four years will not instantly open the doors you would like to see without bags of money and "no show" employment opportunities for players and their parents. Let's see what next year's recruiting class looks like before making judgement.
 
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Yes, but there were plenty of kids that wanted to play for LSU that he was in contact with that wanted to play for him and he couldn't offer. I am sure Les would have done just fine. I think CJB was a better long term fit, but Les is a winner and he would have pulled in some talent. CJB seems to be a very good talent evaluator and knows what fits his system. Some questionable offers but overall, a big improvement over DH.

No one signed Les Miles for whatever reason.
 
it would appear there are more than just one skeptical fan here. But there are many of you that love to diss and name call others who disagree with you. Some of your calling is expected. I've posted on other boards and met similar juvenile comments.. Did you ever think it might be your comments that turn people off ?? Take a look at your IU taunt thread. it's embarrassing to adults over 21. Did it ever occur to you that your happiness and acceptance of 4 wins per year might offend real football players? I know I'm offended at people who believe a 6-6 season is great. You accept mediocrity and that's what you got. There are more two star recruits in this class than the previous six classes. and you say, you don't care about rankings. but if they were 4/5 star recruits, you'd brag about them to the world. I doubt any recruit was turned off by my posts. and it's not like I told White or Potts to sign with Cincy.

Just because a person disagrees with your viewpoint does not give you the right to personally attack them.

I gave Brohm a chance. His first job was to build a recruiting class. He was given 16 recruits by Hazell , and 1 recruit by Parker. Brohm replaced 12 of Hazell's recruits with players he was familiar with. And during the last week, he found himself reaching for players to fill his roster much like Hazell did. This class despite Brohm's efforts was ranked as the worst recruiting class in the Big ten. And it would have ranked lower if we didn't have 24 recruits. The class is heavy on wide receivers and defensive backs and not much else.

I praise Brohm for going after some elite players, but the fact is, he wasn't able to close the deal on any of them. I also praise Brohm for going after juco players to fill holes. However, since a lot of brohm's recruits are projects, Purdue will once again have a depth problem next season as the majority of those recruits will be redshirted.

The facts are Brohm recruited 19 of the players of this class. Given a year. would he have been able to do a better job? or would he still recruit the type of players he recruited at WKU ? I was disappointed in his efforts in the past few days - if you're are going to reach and go after projects, that none of those projects were from Indiana. It appears the two recruits from Carmel were token Indiana representation.

I'm going to give Brohm a C minus as a rating for his first job . yes, there were factors, yes he had minimal time, but in looking at the bottom line objectively and taking away the factors, and just looking at the product, it's hard to rank this class any higher. it is dead last in the BIG 10.

Brohm's next chance is the Spring game and 2018 recruiting, and summer camp. To be successful, he should have 15 recruits before the season starts. To be successful, he needs to attract elite players to his Summer camp. and to be successful he needs to know his 2 deep depth chart before fall practice. And yes, i'll provide my opinion.

Brohm's next chance is on the field. it's not an easy schedule. I originally said upon his hiring there were 6 winnable games. I f he wins 6 games, I'll give him props. if he only wins 3-4 , I'll complain.

and why? because I expect results. We're paying Brohm $1 million more than Hazell, and we're paying Hazell's buyout. I said this exact same thing when we hired Hazell, if our goal is only to win 2-3 games, we might have just kept the previous coach and saved the salary. if we finish in last, even as much as I hated Hazell, we should have just kept him and saved the $4 million.

I still can't believe you posters have patience and are willing to accept a 4-5 win season. That' the reason Hope was fired. Winning 4-5 games should not be accepted or tolerated. and you'll be ecstatic if we ever win 6.

I gave Brohm a chance. But I learned my lesson with all the other bad coaches Purdue has had. I'm not just going to sit back and say he needs 3-4 years to build a winner.

And when I judge his recruiting success, I'm not going to judge it against the previous Boiler teams. Unfortunately, we don't get that gimme win of playing ourselves like the rest of the league does. I'm going to judge his recruiting success against his peers and other BIG 10 teams. So being objective and looking at Purdue's recruiting class, and just looking at the class without any other factors, how does the end result compare? and what's the best we can ever hope for? and ask yourself, if Purdue is competitive in every other sport, why are we so terrible at football?

That's a long post of unreality.
 
it would appear there are more than just one skeptical fan here. But there are many of you that love to diss and name call others who disagree with you. Some of your calling is expected. I've posted on other boards and met similar juvenile comments.. Did you ever think it might be your comments that turn people off ?? Take a look at your IU taunt thread. it's embarrassing to adults over 21. Did it ever occur to you that your happiness and acceptance of 4 wins per year might offend real football players? I know I'm offended at people who believe a 6-6 season is great. You accept mediocrity and that's what you got. There are more two star recruits in this class than the previous six classes. and you say, you don't care about rankings. but if they were 4/5 star recruits, you'd brag about them to the world. I doubt any recruit was turned off by my posts. and it's not like I told White or Potts to sign with Cincy.

Just because a person disagrees with your viewpoint does not give you the right to personally attack them.

I gave Brohm a chance. His first job was to build a recruiting class. He was given 16 recruits by Hazell , and 1 recruit by Parker. Brohm replaced 12 of Hazell's recruits with players he was familiar with. And during the last week, he found himself reaching for players to fill his roster much like Hazell did. This class despite Brohm's efforts was ranked as the worst recruiting class in the Big ten. And it would have ranked lower if we didn't have 24 recruits. The class is heavy on wide receivers and defensive backs and not much else.

I praise Brohm for going after some elite players, but the fact is, he wasn't able to close the deal on any of them. I also praise Brohm for going after juco players to fill holes. However, since a lot of brohm's recruits are projects, Purdue will once again have a depth problem next season as the majority of those recruits will be redshirted.

The facts are Brohm recruited 19 of the players of this class. Given a year. would he have been able to do a better job? or would he still recruit the type of players he recruited at WKU ? I was disappointed in his efforts in the past few days - if you're are going to reach and go after projects, that none of those projects were from Indiana. It appears the two recruits from Carmel were token Indiana representation.

I'm going to give Brohm a C minus as a rating for his first job . yes, there were factors, yes he had minimal time, but in looking at the bottom line objectively and taking away the factors, and just looking at the product, it's hard to rank this class any higher. it is dead last in the BIG 10.

Brohm's next chance is the Spring game and 2018 recruiting, and summer camp. To be successful, he should have 15 recruits before the season starts. To be successful, he needs to attract elite players to his Summer camp. and to be successful he needs to know his 2 deep depth chart before fall practice. And yes, i'll provide my opinion.

Brohm's next chance is on the field. it's not an easy schedule. I originally said upon his hiring there were 6 winnable games. I f he wins 6 games, I'll give him props. if he only wins 3-4 , I'll complain.

and why? because I expect results. We're paying Brohm $1 million more than Hazell, and we're paying Hazell's buyout. I said this exact same thing when we hired Hazell, if our goal is only to win 2-3 games, we might have just kept the previous coach and saved the salary. if we finish in last, even as much as I hated Hazell, we should have just kept him and saved the $4 million.

I still can't believe you posters have patience and are willing to accept a 4-5 win season. That' the reason Hope was fired. Winning 4-5 games should not be accepted or tolerated. and you'll be ecstatic if we ever win 6.

I gave Brohm a chance. But I learned my lesson with all the other bad coaches Purdue has had. I'm not just going to sit back and say he needs 3-4 years to build a winner.

And when I judge his recruiting success, I'm not going to judge it against the previous Boiler teams. Unfortunately, we don't get that gimme win of playing ourselves like the rest of the league does. I'm going to judge his recruiting success against his peers and other BIG 10 teams. So being objective and looking at Purdue's recruiting class, and just looking at the class without any other factors, how does the end result compare? and what's the best we can ever hope for? and ask yourself, if Purdue is competitive in every other sport, why are we so terrible at football?
First off, Purdue will do well with Brohm. It is not a sprint but a good mile run back to the Purdue football days of the past. Quality players and depth are missing, so it is not a one year turn around. But all signs point to Brohm being able to turn it around.

Brohm was hired at the tail end of recruiting, two months before signing day. Most players have been committed by his hiring, after building months, maybe a year long relationship with coaches, and is your thought these other committed players should jump to Purdue because Brohm was hired?? Are P5 commits or prospects supposed to jump to Purdue because they hired the WKU coach??? He is not a high profile assistant hired from Alabama or Ohio State, he is a coach who did well at a lower level program. Its not a knock on him, its fact. High school kids know all of this. This year's recruiting class means little. He had no time to recruit, he was chasing kids that already were set to go somewhere else. Its ridiculous to judge him for recruiting results for two months. As for filling all the scholarships, he sees that depth is needed. I actually would hold one scholarship back each year for that unknown guy that might appear, but that is why we are posting about college football instead of coaching it. He knows better than us.
 
I don't give two ***** about recruiting if he wins on Saturday. You can try to micro-analyze every step of the way if you want....and apparently you do..... but the bottom line is that he has be able to win with what he gets. Tiller's first class was terrible too on paper but he was able to build a winner with it.

This is where I disagree with you. And I will use baseball as an example. in baseball you have several types of coaches. You have the Joe Torre types who sooth egos. You have the Ned Yosts who are the player's friend. you have the Tony LaRussa game time tacticians , and you have the Brave's Bobby Cox. Bobby Cox had talent, but he was known a lot more for his game preparation and conditioning training skills than he was for his game skills. He won because his players were healthy and prepared to play. and that produced results. they didn't win many word series, but they were always a world series contender.

and that's why I say, in order to win on the football field, you must first build your team and prepare your team to win before you take the field. Many people including myself pointed to lack of conditioning as a factor into many of our 4th quarter collapses. Lack of conditioning is something you fix in the off season, not during a game. In order to win a game, motivation only goes so far. And that's why the spring game, and recruiting and fall practices are just as important as the win / loss of a season. If you don't take the off season as serious as the season, your season will reflect what you saw the last 5 years. you have to be in shape before the season starts. You have to prepare in the off season just as much as in season. you have t o take the off season seriously rather than wait to see what the product looks like in that first game.

Call it micromanagement if you want, but I call it total management considering all factors.
 
This is where I disagree with you. And I will use baseball as an example. in baseball you have several types of coaches. You have the Joe Torre types who sooth egos. You have the Ned Yosts who are the player's friend. you have the Tony LaRussa game time tacticians , and you have the Brave's Bobby Cox. Bobby Cox had talent, but he was known a lot more for his game preparation and conditioning training skills than he was for his game skills. He won because his players were healthy and prepared to play. and that produced results. they didn't win many word series, but they were always a world series contender.

and that's why I say, in order to win on the football field, you must first build your team and prepare your team to win before you take the field. Many people including myself pointed to lack of conditioning as a factor into many of our 4th quarter collapses. Lack of conditioning is something you fix in the off season, not during a game. In order to win a game, motivation only goes so far. And that's why the spring game, and recruiting and fall practices are just as important as the win / loss of a season. If you don't take the off season as serious as the season, your season will reflect what you saw the last 5 years. you have to be in shape before the season starts. You have to prepare in the off season just as much as in season. you have t o take the off season seriously rather than wait to see what the product looks like in that first game.

Call it micromanagement if you want, but I call it total management considering all factors.

Are you confusing analyzing to managing?
 
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Brohm was hired at the tail end of recruiting, two months before signing day. Most players have been committed by his hiring, after building months, maybe a year long relationship with coaches, and is your thought these other committed players should jump to Purdue because Brohm was hired?? Are P5 commits or prospects supposed to jump to Purdue because they hired the WKU coach??? QUOTE]

I would disagree with this part of your post.

it's true a lot of quality players were already committed. But it's not like Brohm hadn't tried to previously contact them while he was at WKU. it's not like Brohm only had 2 months to recruit. it's not like he just started recruiting Jallow, Vico or Payton upon his arrival to Purdue. As coach of WKU, Brohm already had established relationships with the majority of players he recruited for Purdue. So it's not like he just had 2 months to recruit a class. he had been recruiting the entire year. There were very few people he recruited in his final 2 weeks that he had not already previously recruited.

And then I look at Fleck. Yes, he brought almost his entire WMU recruiting class with him. But he was given less time than Brohm and produced better results attracting uncommitted players and stealing players Brohm had also targeted. Brohm and Fleck targeted many of the same players, and this round goes to Fleck.

and yes, many P5 commits and prospects did actually jump to Purdue because Brohm was hired. I doubt seriously if Fleck or Allen could have attracted the wide receivers that Brohm attracted. Guys like Hamilton, Vico , Wright and Edwards signed with Purdue chiefly because of Brohm. They didn't come to Purdue because we offered them a chance to play. They came because they wanted to play for Brohm and his system. I may be critical, but I can also give props.
 
Are you confusing analyzing to managing?


No I am analyzing. and Brohm is managing. I'm telling you up front the things I will look for in my current and future evaluation of Brohm. I will be looking at these 4 areas. and I will provide my opinion of how Brohm measures up. I leave it to Brohm to manage his team.

Tomorrow you will see many national analysts giving grades to recruiting classes. They won't care how long brohm has been on the job, or how bad Purdue has been. they will give their rating and analysis strictly on the recruits they see headed to Purdue. I doubt this class will merit an A. Some may look at our receivers and give it a B. I give it a C minus. We're the 70th best recruiting class in the nation and the worst in the BIG 10. it's hard to be objective and say this was a great recruiting class.

Throw out the past, just look at the recruits. and if this wasn't Purdue, what grade would you give it? if this was Nebraska's class, how would you rate it?

I'm not trying to manage this team, but yes, I'm analyzing Brohm's performance as a recruiter. in the Spring, I'll analyze his performance as a team developer in putting the pieces together. In the summer, I'll analyze his performance as a trainer and developer. and in the fall, I'll analyze his ability to coach. There is a lot more to being a power 5 football coach than just coaching and winning games.

is painter a good coach because he wins games? or is he a good coach because he also does all those other things? if Painter didn't recruit Edwards and Swanigan, would we be as successful? Painter also has worked on how to utilize his players. and this is stuff that is done in the off season.

I know the difference between management and analyzing. I have filled both roles and hold a management degree.
 
This is where I disagree with you. And I will use baseball as an example. in baseball you have several types of coaches. You have the Joe Torre types who sooth egos. You have the Ned Yosts who are the player's friend. you have the Tony LaRussa game time tacticians , and you have the Brave's Bobby Cox. Bobby Cox had talent, but he was known a lot more for his game preparation and conditioning training skills than he was for his game skills. He won because his players were healthy and prepared to play. and that produced results. they didn't win many word series, but they were always a world series contender.

and that's why I say, in order to win on the football field, you must first build your team and prepare your team to win before you take the field. Many people including myself pointed to lack of conditioning as a factor into many of our 4th quarter collapses. Lack of conditioning is something you fix in the off season, not during a game. In order to win a game, motivation only goes so far. And that's why the spring game, and recruiting and fall practices are just as important as the win / loss of a season. If you don't take the off season as serious as the season, your season will reflect what you saw the last 5 years. you have to be in shape before the season starts. You have to prepare in the off season just as much as in season. you have t o take the off season seriously rather than wait to see what the product looks like in that first game.

Call it micromanagement if you want, but I call it total management considering all factors.

So you just said it yourself that you want a coach to build his team and then prepare them before you take the field.....

You just described what every one has been telling you and exactly what Brohm is doing. If you had read his comments on the class, he said himself he went with guys who he had familiarity with because he had seen them in person and had done extensive work with them and knows exactly what he can and can't get from them. Brohm put guys in his program that he knows he can trust to prepare them to win games on Saturday by building around them and not the other way around (which is obviously what Hazell was trying to do...force guys in to his apparent box of knowledge).

You then go on to mention about a lack of conditioning and fail to acknowledge that Brohm brought his own S&C guy knowing the type of program he wants and needs for his players at Purdue. Brohm has said he is going to tailor his system to the guys that he is able to bring in and it may look different from season to season based on that. If for some reason Brohm is able to bring in a QB who can run a more spread-option more effectively and use the short passing game to get results, you will see that. With Blough/Sindelar, you will probably see an offense similar to what he was able to run last year at WKU...he has openly stated that himself.

You are literally complaining about a coach who hasn't even been able to hold a practice...let alone prepare a team to play a game on a Saturday.
 
No I am analyzing. and Brohm is managing. I'm telling you up front the things I will look for in my current and future evaluation of Brohm. I will be looking at these 4 areas. and I will provide my opinion of how Brohm measures up. I leave it to Brohm to manage his team.

Tomorrow you will see many national analysts giving grades to recruiting classes. They won't care how long brohm has been on the job, or how bad Purdue has been. they will give their rating and analysis strictly on the recruits they see headed to Purdue. I doubt this class will merit an A. Some may look at our receivers and give it a B. I give it a C minus. We're the 70th best recruiting class in the nation and the worst in the BIG 10. it's hard to be objective and say this was a great recruiting class.

Throw out the past, just look at the recruits. and if this wasn't Purdue, what grade would you give it? if this was Nebraska's class, how would you rate it?

I'm not trying to manage this team, but yes, I'm analyzing Brohm's performance as a recruiter. in the Spring, I'll analyze his performance as a team developer in putting the pieces together. In the summer, I'll analyze his performance as a trainer and developer. and in the fall, I'll analyze his ability to coach. There is a lot more to being a power 5 football coach than just coaching and winning games.

is painter a good coach because he wins games? or is he a good coach because he also does all those other things? if Painter didn't recruit Edwards and Swanigan, would we be as successful? Painter also has worked on how to utilize his players. and this is stuff that is done in the off season.

I know the difference between management and analyzing. I have filled both roles and hold a management degree.

There's a difference between labeling a great recruiting class and trashing it before you can see what it can do. I don't see any doing the former but a few seem to be doing the latter.
 
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So you just said it yourself that you want a coach to build his team and then prepare them before you take the field.....

You just described what every one has been telling you and exactly what Brohm is doing. If you had read his comments on the class, he said himself he went with guys who he had familiarity with because he had seen them in person and had done extensive work with them and knows exactly what he can and can't get from them. Brohm put guys in his program that he knows he can trust to prepare them to win games on Saturday by building around them and not the other way around (which is obviously what Hazell was trying to do...force guys in to his apparent box of knowledge).

You then go on to mention about a lack of conditioning and fail to acknowledge that Brohm brought his own S&C guy knowing the type of program he wants and needs for his players at Purdue. Brohm has said he is going to tailor his system to the guys that he is able to bring in and it may look different from season to season based on that. If for some reason Brohm is able to bring in a QB who can run a more spread-option more effectively and use the short passing game to get results, you will see that. With Blough/Sindelar, you will probably see an offense similar to what he was able to run last year at WKU...he has openly stated that himself.

You are literally complaining about a coach who hasn't even been able to hold a practice...let alone prepare a team to play a game on a Saturday.


I could have mentioned those things, but In the best interests of a couple of posters, I was trying my best to keep my post as short as I possibly could. Brohm said a lot of things. So did Hazell. rather than listening to coach talk, I look for action. I didn't accuse Brohm of not doing those things. I stated those areas as one I will continue to follow and will hold Brohm accountable for. And if he doesn't follow through on his coach speak in those areas, Yes, I will point them out.

The national papers already started to come out with their evaluations of recruiting classes with winners and losers. They talked about new coaches and gave koudos to the new coaches at Oregon, Baylor and Texas for putting together a great class in a small time. They also described the Mississippi class which was ranked in the 40s as a loser primarily because it was the weakest class in the SEC. and in the SEC, if you don't have a top 20 class , you can't expect to compete. The national media didn't mention Brohm or his recruiting class. To them it was an afterthought.

So should I give Brohm a pass or a mulligan and have a wait and see approach? No I won't. I'm not going to wait until after a season before speaking my opinion. And if you don't like my opinions, there is an ignore button. But frankly, I'm tired of people who have that wait and see mentality. That's how Hazell was able to completely waste his first year away, because people thought through his press conferences that he knew what he was doing. You can disagree with my opinions, But I'm not going to stop giving them and questioning and speculating. Because that's what I was trained to do. And that training is hard to get out of my mind. I was trained to not accept failure or mediocrity. Some retired military members have ptsd. I came away with a personality flaw of always being critical and looking for fault. I became a perfectionist. I used to be happy and naive. Unfortunately my life and mindset changed.
 
So should I give Brohm a pass or a mulligan and have a wait and see approach? No I won't. I'm not going to wait until after a season before speaking my opinion. And if you don't like my opinions, there is an ignore button. But frankly, I'm tired of people who have that wait and see mentality. That's how Hazell was able to completely waste his first year away, because people thought through his press conferences that he knew what he was doing. You can disagree with my opinions, But I'm not going to stop giving them and questioning and speculating. Because that's what I was trained to do. And that training is hard to get out of my mind. I was trained to not accept failure or mediocrity. Some retired military members have ptsd. I came away with a personality flaw of always being critical and looking for fault. I became a perfectionist. I used to be happy and naive. Unfortunately my life and mindset changed.

Critical thinking requires weighing all factors that surround the current circumstances. You appear to come to a conclusion then ignore what doesnt support your conclusion. Your conclusions are fraught with logical fallacies. Among them:

False cause
loaded question
begging the question
appeal to emotion
tu quoque
personal incredulity
 
You forgot to mention, I also look for the worst case snenario. And I want others to be critical thinkers rather than just accept a person by his word. In other words, I've been lied to a lot, and I've seen people in authority lie a lot to others and have people blindly believe them because of their position when I knew the truth, and never revealed it. I've come to expect coaches to lie primarily because the truth doesn't sell tickets.
 
I could have mentioned those things, but In the best interests of a couple of posters, I was trying my best to keep my post as short as I possibly could. Brohm said a lot of things. So did Hazell. rather than listening to coach talk, I look for action. I didn't accuse Brohm of not doing those things. I stated those areas as one I will continue to follow and will hold Brohm accountable for. And if he doesn't follow through on his coach speak in those areas, Yes, I will point them out.

The national papers already started to come out with their evaluations of recruiting classes with winners and losers. They talked about new coaches and gave koudos to the new coaches at Oregon, Baylor and Texas for putting together a great class in a small time. They also described the Mississippi class which was ranked in the 40s as a loser primarily because it was the weakest class in the SEC. and in the SEC, if you don't have a top 20 class , you can't expect to compete. The national media didn't mention Brohm or his recruiting class. To them it was an afterthought.

So should I give Brohm a pass or a mulligan and have a wait and see approach? No I won't. I'm not going to wait until after a season before speaking my opinion. And if you don't like my opinions, there is an ignore button. But frankly, I'm tired of people who have that wait and see mentality. That's how Hazell was able to completely waste his first year away, because people thought through his press conferences that he knew what he was doing. You can disagree with my opinions, But I'm not going to stop giving them and questioning and speculating. Because that's what I was trained to do. And that training is hard to get out of my mind. I was trained to not accept failure or mediocrity. Some retired military members have ptsd. I came away with a personality flaw of always being critical and looking for fault. I became a perfectionist. I used to be happy and naive. Unfortunately my life and mindset changed.

So you want to compare Purdue to Texas, Oregon, and Baylor. Sounds reasonable.
 
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What I'm saying is the media talked about new coaches and their recruiting classes. And Brohm didn't have a class the media were interested in discussing good or bad. You know the media was going to comment about what happened at Texas and Oregon. You could say that the new Texas coach has a great class, but the truth is that Strong recruited 3/4ths of it, and the new guy just added to another STRONG class.

As for Brohm, he didn't get mentioned as a winner or loser. If he had pulled in some top recruits, I have no doubt his name would have been mentioned. But to the national media his clas was a meh .

Rather than Texas and Oregon, I want to compare Brohm to his BIG 10 peers. That's what we do with Painter. We compare Painter with Crean and Izzo.. I believe we should compare Brohm to Fleck and the other BIG 10 coaches. And I believe we should compare all of our athletic teams, facilities, and payroll and finances to other BIG 10 teams. We compare our academic programs with all of our other BIG 10 schools. I think it's right and only fair to compare our sports teams and programs too.

I don't believe it's fair to compare our coach or program to an Ivy Leage or MVC or AAC. School as they are a different size with different priority. But I think it's fair to compare us to Nebraska, UW and Penn state and other the like. And ask, why are they successful and we continue to be just an afterthought. Is it our location? Our fan Base? Our financial resources? Our school president? AD? I see no reason why Purdue can't be as good as Michigan State. And I feel we do Purdue an injustice in not comparing them to our other BIG 10 schools.

I will ask, who do you believe we compare Brohm and Purdue's team to? IU? Iowa? ISU? Illinois? People say we're never going to be in the same league as OSU. And I disagree because we are already in the same league. Our other sports programs are compared to theirs. Our academic programs are compared. Our alumni base is just as big, and just as rich. Do we need Neil Armstrong and Bob Greise and the Redinbacker family to chip in more money? Do we need a college president who cares about football? Do we need to lower our admission requirements. And eliminate that requirement for 4 years of high school math!? I don't have the answers, but I have plenty of questions.
 
What I'm saying is the media talked about new coaches and their recruiting classes. And Brohm didn't have a class the media were interested in discussing good or bad. You know the media was going to comment about what happened at Texas and Oregon. You could say that the new Texas coach has a great class, but the truth is that Strong recruited 3/4ths of it, and the new guy just added to another STRONG class.

As for Brohm, he didn't get mentioned as a winner or loser. If he had pulled in some top recruits, I have no doubt his name would have been mentioned. But to the national media his clas was a meh .

Rather than Texas and Oregon, I want to compare Brohm to his BIG 10 peers. That's what we do with Painter. We compare Painter with Crean and Izzo.. I believe we should compare Brohm to Fleck and the other BIG 10 coaches. And I believe we should compare all of our athletic teams, facilities, and payroll and finances to other BIG 10 teams. We compare our academic programs with all of our other BIG 10 schools. I think it's right and only fair to compare our sports teams and programs too.

I don't believe it's fair to compare our coach or program to an Ivy Leage or MVC or AAC. School as they are a different size with different priority. But I think it's fair to compare us to Nebraska, UW and Penn state and other the like. And ask, why are they successful and we continue to be just an afterthought. Is it our location? Our fan Base? Our financial resources? Our school president? AD? I see no reason why Purdue can't be as good as Michigan State. And I feel we do Purdue an injustice in not comparing them to our other BIG 10 schools.

I will ask, who do you believe we compare Brohm and Purdue's team to? IU? Iowa? ISU? Illinois? People say we're never going to be in the same league as OSU. And I disagree because we are already in the same league. Our other sports programs are compared to theirs. Our academic programs are compared. Our alumni base is just as big, and just as rich. Do we need Neil Armstrong and Bob Greise and the Redinbacker family to chip in more money? Do we need a college president who cares about football? Do we need to lower our admission requirements. And eliminate that requirement for 4 years of high school math!? I don't have the answers, but I have plenty of questions.

I'll just quite trying to discuss this with you because it is evident you aren't going to be happy until Brohm starts recruiting only 4 and 5 star players, win 10+ games a year, and starts competing with OSU and UM every single year...hope you are ready to die unhappy and bitter.

You have so many questions because you fail to even attempt to research any fact or rationale thought. You are just going on 'gut feeling' rather than doing a little bit of research and comprehensively looking at the differences inherent to Purdue and programs like OSU. Unless Purdue digs in to University money and gets a major multi-million dollar per year donor...Purdue will never compete on that level. It would be like hoping CMP and Purdue basketball starts competing on the level of Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, and UNC recruiting wise and for NT's every single season....inherently, it isn't possible unless you want to operate in a massive deficit or cheat, and I don't want Purdue to do either of those.

Don't think I've ever met a poster so set in their mindset, even with clear and rationale discussion, simply not comprehend the flaws in their logic and thinking.
 
What I'm saying is the media talked about new coaches and their recruiting classes. And Brohm didn't have a class the media were interested in discussing good or bad. You know the media was going to comment about what happened at Texas and Oregon. You could say that the new Texas coach has a great class, but the truth is that Strong recruited 3/4ths of it, and the new guy just added to another STRONG class.

As for Brohm, he didn't get mentioned as a winner or loser. If he had pulled in some top recruits, I have no doubt his name would have been mentioned. But to the national media his clas was a meh .

Rather than Texas and Oregon, I want to compare Brohm to his BIG 10 peers. That's what we do with Painter. We compare Painter with Crean and Izzo.. I believe we should compare Brohm to Fleck and the other BIG 10 coaches. And I believe we should compare all of our athletic teams, facilities, and payroll and finances to other BIG 10 teams. We compare our academic programs with all of our other BIG 10 schools. I think it's right and only fair to compare our sports teams and programs too.

I don't believe it's fair to compare our coach or program to an Ivy Leage or MVC or AAC. School as they are a different size with different priority. But I think it's fair to compare us to Nebraska, UW and Penn state and other the like. And ask, why are they successful and we continue to be just an afterthought. Is it our location? Our fan Base? Our financial resources? Our school president? AD? I see no reason why Purdue can't be as good as Michigan State. And I feel we do Purdue an injustice in not comparing them to our other BIG 10 schools.

I will ask, who do you believe we compare Brohm and Purdue's team to? IU? Iowa? ISU? Illinois? People say we're never going to be in the same league as OSU. And I disagree because we are already in the same league. Our other sports programs are compared to theirs. Our academic programs are compared. Our alumni base is just as big, and just as rich. Do we need Neil Armstrong and Bob Greise and the Redinbacker family to chip in more money? Do we need a college president who cares about football? Do we need to lower our admission requirements. And eliminate that requirement for 4 years of high school math!? I don't have the answers, but I have plenty of questions.
I always compare our program to Iowa and Maryland. But that's just me.
 
My thoughts are based on logic. The problem is I am a geek and not a jock. I look at my degree and say it is just as good as one from any other school in the BIG 10! I see our other athletic teams compete at the same level with other BIG 10 teams, and I Ask why doesn't our football team compete ?

You should read my basketball posts. I expect and apply the same logic, but I post less often and am more positive. I'm the same person using the same logic and long winded posts. The difference? Purdue basketball has met my standards, while Purdue football has not. Some of you posters are all gloom and doom about Purdue basketball if they have a sub .500 season. But you accept it for football, To me, that doesn't seem logical.

And yes, I was critical of Painters recruiting class as well. If you look, hard enough, you will find my opinions.
 
My thoughts are based on logic. The problem is I am a geek and not a jock. I look at my degree and say it is just as good as one from any other school in the BIG 10! I see our other athletic teams compete at the same level with other BIG 10 teams, and I Ask why doesn't our football team compete ?

You should read my basketball posts. I expect and apply the same logic, but I post less often and am more positive. I'm the same person using the same logic and long winded posts. The difference? Purdue basketball has met my standards, while Purdue football has not. Some of you posters are all gloom and doom about Purdue basketball if they have a sub .500 season. But you accept it for football, To me, that doesn't seem logical.

And yes, I was critical of Painters recruiting class as well. If you look, hard enough, you will find my opinions.

So take your academic logic and apply it to University of Chicago and a UIC. University of Chicago is inherently more academic for multiple purposes when compared to UIC...the same could be said for OSU and UM versus Purdue.
 
I will agree. but I lived 5 years in the heart of OSU country and 5 years in the Hearts of Georgia and Alabama country. And 5 years in Florida and a year in Texas, Mississippi and a couple in Texas, Oklahoma and California, and a few more in Indiana, Wisconsin and Illinois. I've observed a different mentality in those other areas. Football is a huge part of their culture. At Purdue, it's an afterthought. I've grown up in areas where people have a passion for football. I've been a Packers fan for over 60 years through the good times and bad. I have a passion for football. But I don't see it in Purdue fans. I've seen coaches and teams be criticized for 8 win seasons not being good enough. People are devastated if the Packers don't make the playoffs and their coach is on the hot seat for losing to Atlanta and to Denver and Seattle.

I expect to win, and I expect other Purdue fans to have that same passion as myself. In the other areas I've lived, all of my friends shared that same passion for winning. And yes it was hard for me as a Purdue alum to live in Ohio, Alabama, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma and admit to being a Purdue alum. I talked about Greise and Breese and the Packers a lot. And on a similar note, they could care less about college basketball. In Florida and Alabama their teams could win 20 games, but nobody would notice or care. Go figure.

And it upsets me I don't see that same passion for football among Purdue fans I realize most of you don't care and making the sweet 16 is a lot more important that winning a football bowl game. But for me, my passion is football. And government politics! Just be thankful I don't discuss politics on this board.
 
I will agree. but I lived 5 years in the heart of OSU country and 5 years in the Hearts of Georgia and Alabama country. And 5 years in Florida and a year in Texas, Mississippi and a couple in Texas, Oklahoma and California, and a few more in Indiana, Wisconsin and Illinois. I've observed a different mentality in those other areas. Football is a huge part of their culture. At Purdue, it's an afterthought. I've grown up in areas where people have a passion for football. I've been a Packers fan for over 60 years through the good times and bad. I have a passion for football. But I don't see it in Purdue fans. I've seen coaches and teams be criticized for 8 win seasons not being good enough. People are devastated if the Packers don't make the playoffs and their coach is on the hot seat for losing to Atlanta and to Denver and Seattle.

I expect to win, and I expect other Purdue fans to have that same passion as myself. In the other areas I've lived, all of my friends shared that same passion for winning. And yes it was hard for me as a Purdue alum to live in Ohio, Alabama, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma and admit to being a Purdue alum. I talked about Greise and Breese and the Packers a lot. And on a similar note, they could care less about college basketball. In Florida and Alabama their teams could win 20 games, but nobody would notice or care. Go figure.

And it upsets me I don't see that same passion for football among Purdue fans I realize most of you don't care and making the sweet 16 is a lot more important that winning a football bowl game. But for me, my passion is football. And government politics! Just be thankful I don't discuss politics on this board.

Ahh the better fan post. Any other board cliches?

I live in the heart of buckeye country and still realize the advantages they have over Purdue.

Until Purdue university bod makes football a priority, the comparisons are ridiculous
 
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My judgment will come in the fall by what I see on the football field. Not some silly star recruiting rating system.

TC4THREE : I agree with you and the majority of other posters here for the most part. . I'm a results oriented guy. I don't care much about the process as long as the final product meets my minimum standard. The basketball team and swimming, volleyball, golf, and other teams have all met my standards. So I don't talk about them very much. My standard for football is going 6-6. it's not a trip to the Rose Bowl or winning a Big 10 conference championship. if the football team goes 6-6 , I won't complain or care that much. However, as a results oriented guy, if the team doesn't meet those minimum standards, I will get in your face and tear your program apart to find out why, and I will offer my opinions as how to fix the problems and issues. That's what I was trained to do. Look at and evaluate processes.

Once Brohm goes 6-6, I'll stop complaining. I'll even support him and give him props and stop asking questions and providing suggestions as to how to run his business. The last time I gave a personal insight into my life experiences, people hated me and called me arrogant and a name dropper. But that's who I am and what I do. and I can't change. I'm proud of my life experiences. I'm that IG inspector who's here to help you. I'm THAT GUY ! that everyone hates.
 
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