Please give Brohm a chance

[Summy1]

I have seen a lot of negativity on this board. People are disappointed with Brohm's recruiting class. I say give the man a chance. He took over a program that is in terrible shape. Hazell drove this program into the dirt and everyone forgets that it takes awhile to bring it back up.

I understand that things have been very bad for several years now and people are sick and tired of it. It is hard to be patient. The thought of winning 4 games next season and its suppose to be an improvement makes some sick. I get it.

All I can say is be patient and dream of things to come. Boiler up

 

[OldStyle1902]

Haven't seen this much positive buzz and vibe around the program in years.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I have seen a lot of negativity on this board. People are disappointed with Brohm's recruiting class. I say give the man a chance. He took over a program that is in terrible shape. Hazell drove this program into the dirt and everyone forgets that it takes awhile to bring it back up.

I understand that things have been very bad for several years now and people are sick and tired of it. It is hard to be patient. The thought of winning 4 games next season and its suppose to be an improvement makes some sick. I get it.

All I can say is be patient and dream of things to come. Boiler up

Just remember this....A lot of Boiler fans gave Hazell a chance. Year one, year two, year three......Time will tell of the new guy is any better as a Purdue coach in the Big Ten.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

Just remember this....A lot of Boiler fans gave Hazell a chance. Year one, year two, year three......Time will tell of the new guy is any better as a Purdue coach in the Big Ten.

Hard to get worse.

 

[Wolegib]

I gave Agassi a chance. I gave Colleto a chance . I gave Hope and Hazell a chance. I even had high hopes for Akers. I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line, I gave away all my chances and lost my positivity and patience. I want results NOW. I can't wait any longer. I've become a bitter old man, and all this coach peak to me sounds like a broken record, as do all the fans saying, relax, sit back and give him a chance and more time. If we were paying him $1 million or less I'd be willing to cut him more slack. But with the higher paycheck, comes greater expectations. If I buy a Lexus, I expect it be more than a Camry. and if it's not, I complain. That's what Purdue football and the lack of success has made me.

 

[nat100]

I gave Agassi a chance. I gave Colleto a chance . I gave Hope and Hazell a chance. I even had high hopes for Akers. I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line, I gave away all my chances and lost my positivity and patience. I want results NOW. I can't wait any longer. I've become a bitter old man, and all this coach peak to me sounds like a broken record, as do all the fans saying, relax, sit back and give him a chance and more time. If we were paying him $1 million or less I'd be willing to cut him more slack. But with the higher paycheck, comes greater expectations. If I buy a Lexus, I expect it be more than a Camry. and if it's not, I complain. That's what Purdue football and the lack of success has made me.

You've made stockholder and now purchaser claims. I assume you contribute to the Jpc and buy tickets

 

[mustard_]

I gave Agassi a chance. I gave Colleto a chance . I gave Hope and Hazell a chance. I even had high hopes for Akers. I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line, I gave away all my chances and lost my positivity and patience. I want results NOW. I can't wait any longer. I've become a bitter old man, and all this coach peak to me sounds like a broken record, as do all the fans saying, relax, sit back and give him a chance and more time. If we were paying him $1 million or less I'd be willing to cut him more slack. But with the higher paycheck, comes greater expectations. If I buy a Lexus, I expect it be more than a Camry. and if it's not, I complain. That's what Purdue football and the lack of success has made me.

Oh shit WOLEGIB is out of chances. Everyone run for your lives.

 

[Wolegib]

I also pay taxes and contribute to the Purdue alumni, Purdue Glee Club (PMO) and Purdue educational funds.

 

[nat100]

I also pay taxes and contribute to the Purdue alumni, Purdue Glee Club (PMO) and Purdue educational funds.

None of those really make an impact on Purdue sports

 

[Wolegib]

Are you saying those Purdue telemarketers and Purdue President were lying to me when soliciting my donations? and my taxes don't go to supporting our state schools and athletic facilities ? Now I am depressed. I need one of those sad emojis.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Are you saying those Purdue telemarketers and Purdue President were lying to me when soliciting my donations? and my taxes don't go to supporting our state schools and athletic facilities ? Now I am depressed. I need one of those sad emojis.

Since I agree with you, here you go

 

[SKYDOG]

I gave Agassi a chance. I gave Colleto a chance . I gave Hope and Hazell a chance. I even had high hopes for Akers. I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line, I gave away all my chances and lost my positivity and patience. I want results NOW. I can't wait any longer. I've become a bitter old man, and all this coach peak to me sounds like a broken record, as do all the fans saying, relax, sit back and give him a chance and more time. If we were paying him $1 million or less I'd be willing to cut him more slack. But with the higher paycheck, comes greater expectations. If I buy a Lexus, I expect it be more than a Camry. and if it's not, I complain. That's what Purdue football and the lack of success has made me.

I'm with you on this. With the amount of money he's being paid, I expect to win soon. I am more than tired of waiting as I'm running out of time.

 

[Summy1]

I'm with you on this. With the amount of money he's being paid, I expect to win soon. I am more than tired of waiting as I'm running out of time.

Do you realize he gets paid average for a big ten coach? If he got paid harbaugh money it would be one thing. Like I said, we all have to be patient as much as it sucks.

 

[Wolegib]

Do you realize he gets paid average for a big ten coach? If he got paid harbaugh money it would be one thing. Like I said, we all have to be patient as much as it sucks.

I agree. he's getting paid average for a BIG 10 coach. Is it too much to ask for him to produce average results? is it too much to ask for him to lead Purdue to the 7th best record which would be .500 record and a bowl game appearance ? And if he can't produce average results, would it be a novel concept to ask for a return on our investment? I never said I expected Brohm to lead Purdue past OSU and Michigan. But I do kind of expect average results

With the money Brohm and his staff are paid, and the facilities we have, I expect average results. however, there is one caveat. I want those average results now, not 4 years from now. I expect Purdue to be better than average 4 years from now.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I agree. he's getting paid average for a BIG 10 coach. Is it too much to ask for him to produce average results? is it too much to ask for him to lead Purdue to the 7th best record which would be .500 record and a bowl game appearance ? And if he can't produce average results, would it be a novel concept to ask for a return on our investment? I never said I expected Brohm to lead Purdue past OSU and Michigan. But I do kind of expect average results

With the money Brohm and his staff are paid, and the facilities we have, I expect average results. however, there is one caveat. I want those average results now, not 4 years from now. I expect Purdue to be better than average 4 years from now.

You might be better served finding another team then: I suggest Oklahoma, Alabama, OSU, USC, FSU, etc. Essentially programs that win will 10 games annually and live up to your perceived 'above-average' perceptions every single season.

I usually try not to get heavily involved with people posting rhetoric like you but I think I'll take a saying from a few of the posters from the basketball board: you sound like a negatwitt

 

[Wolegib]

You might be better served finding another team then: I suggest Oklahoma, Alabama, OSU, USC, FSU, etc. Essentially programs that win will 10 games annually and live up to your perceived 'above-average' perceptions every single season.

I usually try not to get heavily involved with people posting rhetoric like you but I think I'll take a saying from a few of the posters from the basketball board: you sound like a negatwitt

this coming from a guy who wears a dunce hat. and that optimistic smile on your face.

 

[ptree06]

I'm with you on this. With the amount of money he's being paid, I expect to win soon. I am more than tired of waiting as I'm running out of time.

I'm fairly optimistic we'll win at least 5 games this year, and hopefully 6. I think we'll have enough weapons on offense to make Brohm's system work, and if we can score in the B1G West we should be in most games.

I'd also say for those disappointed in recruiting ratings, keep in mind that coaching really does matter to winning or losing. The Pats cut great players every year and put scrubs out at WR, and yet they're in the Super Bowl again. I think with Brohm's system we'll have plenty of weapons on offense, even if they aren't 4* recruits. He still scored against P5 competition at WKU, and that was with worse talent than Hazell had.

If we can show competence this year, next year's class should be ranked a lot higher. We'll also have the performance facility to show off, which should help create more of a wow factor during visits...

 

[DaChosen0ne]

Everyone let's hold your horses! Give CJB some time people. He was hired to turn multiple losing seasons into winning seasons. He took the job in early December, coming from WKU and everybody is expects 4* & 5* recruits to commit 2 months on the job. Hell he just finished hiring a staff. You all must be sleep. Let me know when you all wake up??!!!! History shows that once a coach starts getting his type of players, in his system....that's when the team begins to excell. Please give CJB so time to turn water into wine because what we had previously was absolutely "piss poor".

 

[Wolegib]

nobody ever said 5* recruits. What I am most upset about are all the 2* recruit commitments without any other power 5 school offers. I didn't like many of Hazell's recruits either. If other power 5 schools are not interested in these players, why is Brohm interested? other than he recruited them while he was at WKU. Dorothy said it best. We're not in Kansas anymore. Rather than pursuing the same recruits Brohm recruited for WKU, I expected him to recruit the same level of players other power 5 schools and BIG 10 teams recruited.

 

[FearTheTrain]

I've seen multiple times where he was rated either the best new hire or up near the top in college football. Recruiting has never been easy at Purdue for multiple reasons. Even Tiller's BEST class was ranked somewhere around 25-30 IIRC. It is all about finding the right players for an offensive system like this. Even if he landed only four stars we would still need to be patient given the lack of depth. I've been happy so far and can't wait to win some shoot outs this fall. We have a reason to watch the games again.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I think a few people need to chill out and see what happens before saying everything is terrible and we didn't get the top rated class . Lets see what happens on the field and next year in recruiting. Its only a few being negative but damn how do you know what will happen.

 

[fcboiler46]

Absolutely everyone has to have a little patience. You can complain all you want about the ratings of his recruits right now but we must remember he was putting together these teams at Western that could beat a lot of Power 5 schools. Give it a chance and see. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't but it'll never work if we don't allow it to.

 

[Wolegib]

Show me a post where anybody expected Brohm to bring in a top rated class! What I am saying is I expected More from Brohm. There are only 4 recruits left from Hazell's class. So this class is all on Brohm. He wanted and has put his own brand on it. The vast majority of these recruits are players Brohm had recruited while at WKU the past 2 years. The players appear to be better than what Hazell recruited. But I was hoping it wouldn't be last in the BIG 10 once again. I credit Brohm for his work ethics, but after reading all the great things about his hire, my expectations were a lot higher than they should have been. And now reality has replaced expectations. I never expected a great class. I just was hoping it would be better than last once more.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Show me a post where anybody expected Brohm to bring in a top rated class! What I am saying is I expected More from Brohm. There are only 4 recruits left from Hazell's class. So this class is all on Brohm. He wanted and has put his own brand on it. The vast majority of these recruits are players Brohm had recruited while at WKU the past 2 years. The players appear to be better than what Hazell recruited. But I was hoping it wouldn't be last in the BIG 10 once again. I credit Brohm for his work ethics, but after reading all the great things about his hire, my expectations were a lot higher than they should have been. And now reality has replaced expectations. I never expected a great class. I just was hoping it would be better than last once more.

I was saying top rated class just as kind of an over exaggeration. You and a few others act like everything is going very badly with the new coach. Like damn are you this negative on everything?

 

[Wolegib]

I was saying top rated class just as kind of an over exaggeration. You and a few others act like everything is going very badly with the new coach. Like damn are you this negative on everything?

Yup. When I see a school like Toledo signing a 3* 300 Lb DT flipping him from Minn, and then I see us stealing a 2* RB/Lb with no power 5 offers from Toledo creating the room for Toledo to do so, I become rather depressed.

I get my hopes up high, and then reality sets in. I forget we are Purdue. What depresses me more is reading all the archived posts saying how great a coach Hazell is, and how bad Butch Jones is ,and how we need to have patience and give the guy a chance. It gets depressing reading the same thing over and over again by new posters while seeing the same results.

 

[nat100]

Yup. When I see a school like Toledo signing a 3* 300 Lb DT flipping him from Minn, and then I see us stealing a 2* RB/Lb with no power 5 offers from Toledo creating the room for Toledo to do so, I become rather depressed.

Its more likely Fleck yanked his offer and he had no better options.

 

[SunnyFL24]

I'm fairly optimistic we'll win at least 5 games this year, and hopefully 6. I think we'll have enough weapons on offense to make Brohm's system work, and if we can score in the B1G West we should be in most games.

I'd also say for those disappointed in recruiting ratings, keep in mind that coaching really does matter to winning or losing. The Pats cut great players every year and put scrubs out at WR, and yet they're in the Super Bowl again. I think with Brohm's system we'll have plenty of weapons on offense, even if they aren't 4* recruits. He still scored against P5 competition at WKU, and that was with worse talent than Hazell had.

If we can show competence this year, next year's class should be ranked a lot higher. We'll also have the performance facility to show off, which should help create more of a wow factor during visits...

Well said..........I don't think he will have a Joe Tiller first year, but I think we get 5 wins and play much more competitive this year. Recruiting class isn't the greatest, but I think Brohm and staff will coach these kids up! I feel upbeat for the year and will attend my the spring scrimmage game for the first time in 6 years!

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

Yup. When I see a school like Toledo signing a 3* 300 Lb DT flipping him from Minn, and then I see us stealing a 2* RB/Lb with no power 5 offers from Toledo creating the room for Toledo to do so, I become rather depressed.

I get my hopes up high, and then reality sets in. I forget we are Purdue. What depresses me more is reading all the archived posts saying how great a coach Hazell is, and how bad Butch Jones is ,and how we need to have patience and give the guy a chance. It gets depressing reading the same thing over and over again by new posters while seeing the same results.

Holy hell...

CJB has been on board for a few months, and his recruiting efforts have already surpassed those of DH1 and DH2, as evidenced by how our recruiting class ranking has improved 10+ spots in short order. Likewise our AD is now committed to investing in football, as evidenced by the allocation of funds for CJB and his new staff along with the Football Master Plan.

Step back from the ledge, and give the new staff time with a few recruiting cycles before jumping.

 

[Wolegib]

Its more likely Fleck yanked his offer and he had no better options.

I can agree that Fleck may have yanked his offer. however I'm disappointed that we didn't go after him.

 

[Wolegib]

Holy hell...

CJB has been on board for a few months, and his recruiting efforts have already surpassed those of DH1 and DH2, as evidenced by how our recruiting class ranking has improved 10+ spots in short order. Likewise our AD is now committed to investing in football, as evidenced by the allocation of funds for CJB and his new staff along with the Football Master Plan.

Step back from the ledge, and give the new staff time with a few recruiting cycles before jumping.

What's our recruiting ranking? It didn't look that much better to me. We may be better nationally, but where it counts, we're still last in the BIG 10! And the only reason our nationally ranking improved was we added more recruits.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I can agree that Fleck may have yanked his offer. however I'm disappointed that we didn't go after him.

All we are saying is give Brohm a chance.

 

[Wolegib]

Ok, I will get with the program and give Brohm a chance. I'll have patience. And I'll change my earlier prediction of a potential 6-6 season to 4 wins at most. Wow, I feel so much better now.

 

[mustard_]

Ok, I will get with the program and give Brohm a chance. I'll have patience. And I'll change my earlier prediction of a potential 6-6 season to 4 wins at most. Wow, I feel so much better now.

I think you were confusing prediction with wants. Why would a kid who will likely be a RS next season change your expectation for wins? Even if he was 3 star it probably wasn't going to change anything......

 

[FearTheTrain]

Purdue just came off the worst three years in program history. It'll take time for Brohm to improve our team and develop relationships. All he can really do now is sell playing time. Whatever coach you preferred to Brohm would have been in the same predicament. It'd be much worse if it was Miles, because no way in hell a kid is leaving LSU for us.

 

[BNNJDIRT]

I have seen a lot of negativity on this board. People are disappointed with Brohm's recruiting class. I say give the man a chance. He took over a program that is in terrible shape. Hazell drove this program into the dirt and everyone forgets that it takes awhile to bring it back up.

I understand that things have been very bad for several years now and people are sick and tired of it. It is hard to be patient. The thought of winning 4 games next season and its suppose to be an improvement makes some sick. I get it.

All I can say is be patient and dream of things to come. Boiler up

I have a completely different feeling about Brohm than I did about Hazell.
No one could have imagined the pure laziness of a head coach milking the University for Millions. DH was a loser in ever fashion on & off the field.
Coach Brohm on the other hand "gets it". I have no doubt that we will see a much improved Purdue team in 2017. Big things are about to happen, so sit back and enjoy. Pumped!

 

[Wolegib]

I think you were confusing prediction with wants. Why would a kid who will likely be a RS next season change your expectation for wins? Even if he was 3 star it probably wasn't going to change anything......

My prediction of wins wasn't changed by 1 commit. My original prediction of 6 wins was made the day we signed Brohm. And I looked at our schedule and thought we had 6 winnable games. Many posters thought my prediction and expectations were too high. So now looking at how Brohm has almost completed his first recruiting class, I'm lowering my expectations about our future success this year.

What saddens me is that so many other posters also predict a 4 win season and are happy about it and see it as a great improvement over Hazell. What saddens me is that so many people are looking forward to a future of a 7-6 season in several years down the road with a win at a pizza bowl game as a great season.

I'm. Sorry. My hopes were that Purdue could elevate its program to be a consistent 8+ win season and maybe throw in a couple of 9-10 win seasons. We may win 8 games under Brohm some day. But the reality of today and this season is starting to set in. Purdue is Purdue .

And the real reality is the knowledge that neither Fleck or Miles or Sumlin or Strong would have been a better choice.

The reality is setting in. And I am sorry, I will never be happy with a 4-8 season. Called me a Downer. Call me delusional. Call me Eyore. Call me uninformed. I don't really care.

 

[cprh9u]

Good post OP. It takes a few years to get a good idea of what the coach is doing in recruiting, getting his own guys, etc. I do expect to see more competency this year than we ever saw from CDH but it will take 3 or so years before we crawl out of the basement that CDH plunged us into.

 

[TC4THREE]

Do people think Brohm built WKU with 4 star recruits? The bottom line is that he put together a better team there than we had here with mostly recruits that are similar or worse than what he's getting here.

To be honest, I don't give two ***** what this class looks like. The only thing that matters is that CJB can take this class and use it to help win some games with it down the road. No coach was going to walk into this job and deliver a top 30 recruiting class today. That's not how things work. He'll take this class and build on it. His real test early on isn't recruiting. It's player development and coaching. Many here won't get that and that's why you have some people that pretend like our team will reflect this recruiting ranking for the next 4 years. Unfortunately that's just how some people think.

 

[Wolegib]

Do people think Brohm built WKU with 4 star recruits? The bottom line is that he put together a better team there than we had here with mostly recruits that are similar or worse than what he's getting here.

To be honest, I don't give two ***** what this class looks like. The only thing that matters is that CJB can take this class and use it to help win some games with it down the road. No coach was going to walk into this job and deliver a top 30 recruiting class today. That's not how things work. He'll take this class and build on it. His real test early on isn't recruiting. It's player development and coaching. Many here won't get that and that's why you have some people that pretend like our team will reflect this recruiting ranking for the next 4 years. Unfortunately that's just how some people think.

Well duh, our results the last 4 years have kind of reflected the ranking of our recruiting class. It's my belief this class may be the best recruiting class Purdue has had in the past 5 years. However, what is not talked about on this forum very much except your IU taunts, is that every other team in the BIG 10 including Rutgers also had a very strong recruiting class. In a couple of years, the BIG 10 will be the strongest conference top to bottom. I see our progress. But I also see the progress of our BIG 10 opposition. Like the election, we need to stop talking about what Brohm did at WKU. That's the past. We need to to stop comparing Brohm to Hazell. It's a given by default any coach would be better than Hazell. We need to start comparing Brohm with his contemporary other BIG 10 coaches and the job they are doing at their respective schools. From this day forward, We need to compare him to Smith, Allen, and Fleck etc.

 

[SKYDOG]

Purdue just came off the worst three years in program history. It'll take time for Brohm to improve our team and develop relationships. All he can really do now is sell playing time. Whatever coach you preferred to Brohm would have been in the same predicament. It'd be much worse if it was Miles, because no way in hell a kid is leaving LSU for us.

Unfortunately playing time will be the only thing he will be able to sell next year. The winning may take a long time before the culture can change. Being competitive will be a huge step forward and building on that will be slow.