players are leaving Purdue

[Summy1]

I read this today. Doesn't surprise me:

There weren't only departures among the coaching staff.
A handful of players have left the program as well, though Hazell wouldn't mention any names as "we're still trying to figure that all out."
Hazell estimated the number at "five to six."
Austin Appleby, for one, is definitely gone, having enrolled at Florida for his final season.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I read this today. Doesn't surprise me:

There weren't only departures among the coaching staff.
A handful of players have left the program as well, though Hazell wouldn't mention any names as "we're still trying to figure that all out."
Hazell estimated the number at "five to six."
Austin Appleby, for one, is definitely gone, having enrolled at Florida for his final season.

Unfortunately there are a lot of things that Darrell Hazel is "still trying to figure out".

 

[SIBoiler2]

Unfortunately there are a lot of things that Darrell Hazel is "still trying to figure out".

I bet he's glad for direct deposit so at least he didn't have to figure that out.

 

[DG10]

I read this today. Doesn't surprise me:

There weren't only departures among the coaching staff.
A handful of players have left the program as well, though Hazell wouldn't mention any names as "we're still trying to figure that all out."
Hazell estimated the number at "five to six."
Austin Appleby, for one, is definitely gone, having enrolled at Florida for his final season.

How in the world could you not possibly know who has or has not left the program? I wonder if the actual number falls closer to the five than to the six in the "five to six" range offered up.

It comes as no surprise that guys have left...or would leave...and it explains at least in part why there so many more signees than had been expected.

 

[FirstDownB]

How in the world could you not possibly know who has or has not left the program?

Here is my interpretation.. There are probably some players that have already indicated to him they are leaving the team (or are on the fence) but are still on campus finishing up the semester. He and the new staff are probably working on a few of them and trying to convince them to return.

 

[lbodel]

Here is my interpretation.. There are probably some players that have already indicated to him they are leaving the team (or are on the fence) but are still on campus finishing up the semester. He and the new staff are probably working on a few of them and trying to convince them to return.

Well, this is true, but they are in the middle of workouts right now. It's hard to be "unsure" or "on the fence" about being on the team during one of the most important times of the offseason. You're either in it or not.

One thing that bothered me when Hazell first started was that we heard all of this stuff about the bad atmosphere, bad attitudes, etc. by Hope's players - yet there no "clearing house" done. I mean, we might as well have cause it's not like we had a good first year.

Everything about the program just seems wishy washy. Nobody wants to put their neck out about anything.

 

[mightypurdue22]

Save for 5-6 players on this team, I don't think it matters who stays or leaves as the talent level is pretty consistent across the board. I guess if they're still on campus, there is no reason to say that someone is leaving until they've actually packed their bags and hit the road. It wouldn't surprise me if most schools have 4-6 kids leave per season for one reason or another, especially with +/-85 on the roster.

 

[FirstDownB]

Well, this is true, but they are in the middle of workouts right now. It's hard to be "unsure" or "on the fence" about being on the team during one of the most important times of the offseason. You're either in it or not.

One thing that bothered me when Hazell first started was that we heard all of this stuff about the bad atmosphere, bad attitudes, etc. by Hope's players - yet there no "clearing house" done. I mean, we might as well have cause it's not like we had a good first year.

Everything about the program just seems wishy washy. Nobody wants to put their neck out about anything.

Yeah, I'm way past the expectation that this coach is going to give a straight answer to nearly any question. Its obvious he keeps everything close to the vest (haha). So, 5-6 to me could mean almost anything. This was just my interpretation.

 

[boilermaker75]

How in the world could you not possibly know who has or has not left the program? I wonder if the actual number falls closer to the five than to the six in the "five to six" range offered up.

It comes as no surprise that guys have left...or would leave...and it explains at least in part why there so many more signees than had been expected.

He hasn't watched the film yet to see who left.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I keep wondering what Hazell is thinking after each season. Its like he has to see all the loses and feel really bad about being the coach of the worst team in the league and one of the worst in college football. Will new DC and OC make a difference this year, I really hope so, if not then a new coach needs to come in the next year.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I keep wondering what Hazell is thinking after each season. Its like he has to see all the loses and feel really bad about being the coach of the worst team in the league and one of the worst in college football. Will new DC and OC make a difference this year, I really hope so, if not then a new coach needs to come in the next year.

He essentially got the Ron Zook - Illini treatment without the big money hires. Remember, Ron Zook's last year he fired both his OC and DC and Illinois freed up a ton of money for him to go hire some good coordinators. It was clear that Zook was probably given the choice of either Illinois cleaning house or hiring a new DC/OC. He couldn't save his job. The new OC/DC move just really isn't a good solution because it usually takes a minimum of 2 years to understand a new system and usually a move like this is a last ditch effort to show improvement.

 

[PaBoiler78]

He essentially got the Ron Zook - Illini treatment without the big money hires. Remember, Ron Zook's last year he fired both his OC and DC and Illinois freed up a ton of money for him to go hire some good coordinators. It was clear that Zook was probably given the choice of either Illinois cleaning house or hiring a new DC/OC. He couldn't save his job. The new OC/DC move just really isn't a good solution because it usually takes a minimum of 2 years to understand a new system and usually a move like this is a last ditch effort to show improvement.

wasn't Tim Cason thinking about leaving a short time ago?

 

[OhioBoiler3]

Cason recently tweeted about being happy moving back to corner, sounds like he's still there.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Transfers happen every year at every school not that big of a deal. Will probably be mostly guys who are buried in the depth chart trying to find a fresh start and some potential playing time.

 

[nips18]

The players leaving weren't playing and there was no reason to believe that was going to change.

 

[Summy1]

Sounds like Trae Hart is the best player leaving besides Appleby.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Sounds like Trae Hart is the best player leaving besides Appleby.

He was good but still buried in depth. Behind Yancey, Young, Phillips, Posey, and Mahaganou or however you say it.

 

[Irvi]

It will help all of us when we know who is leaving and their position. There is no doubt we are in a hole but when Tiller arrived we were also in a hole. The question is now how the current players are used and who will help in the recent recruiting class. It is my hope that the staff can find 22 players that can compete. The current staff is aware of the situation and I am sure they have rented and not bought homes. On to thinking positive......go Boilers.

 

[nips18]

It was reported who was leaving on KC board. None of them were contributors.

 

[Irvi]

Who leaves?

 

[nips18]

A TE that hasn't played, two DEs that haven't played, Hart as already mentioned, Appleby, and a OT that hasn't played.

 

[pboiler18]

Was Burke the TE? Was Tretter the OT?

 

[Irvi]

Are these all DH players that he brought into the program?

 

[nips18]

Tretter was already gone due to medical reasons. Still in program but not playing.

Burke was moved to DE

 

[nips18]

4 Hope, 2 Hazell.

 

[uncleboiler]

It was reported who was leaving on KC board.
.

"None of them were contributors"...well that was 98% of the roster.

 

[Inspector100]

.................. There is no doubt we are in a hole but when Tiller arrived we were also in a hole..........

I fully disagree. Joe Tiller took the existing team when he arrived and beat Notre Dame and won the Alamo Bowl with that group against a ranked Oklahoma State team. The rest of your post is a poor effort on your part for the positive.

 

[Irvi]

I fully disagree. Joe Tiller took the existing team when he arrived and beat Notre Dame and won the Alamo Bowl with that group against a ranked Oklahoma State team. The rest of your post is a poor effort on your part for the positive.

 

[Bippus33]

He essentially got the Ron Zook - Illini treatment without the big money hires. Remember, Ron Zook's last year he fired both his OC and DC and Illinois freed up a ton of money for him to go hire some good coordinators. It was clear that Zook was probably given the choice of either Illinois cleaning house or hiring a new DC/OC. He couldn't save his job. The new OC/DC move just really isn't a good solution because it usually takes a minimum of 2 years to understand a new system and usually a move like this is a last ditch effort to show improvement.

Thus JohnnyDoe.....this is why so many are saying that next year is not the last year for Haze.....

 

[Bippus33]

He was good but still buried in depth. Behind Yancey, Young, Phillips, Posey, and Mahaganou or however you say it.

Buried behind depth........Can`t catch Yancey.................

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Thus JohnnyDoe.....this is why so many are saying that next year is not the last year for Haze.....

After doing a little digging and thinking on my own, this is my train of thought:

If Purdue (with an arguably easier schedule for 2016) wins 3 or less games, it will be tough to sell that the issues that have led the program to this point don't simply lie with the head coach and the direction he is providing. Firing booth coordinators and another assistant coach along with losing 2-3 other coaches is a MAJOR staff shakeup. If things don't seem to improve in a large way this season, then what evidence suggests that they will get better in 2017 with a schedule that is seriously difficult.
2016:
Eastern Kentucky
Cincinnati
Nevada
@ Maryland
@ Illinois
Iowa
@ Nebraska
Penn State
@ Minnesota
Northwestern
Wisconsin
@ Indiana

2017:
Louisville
Ohio Bobcats
@ Missouri
Michigan (HC)
Minnesota
@ Wisconsin
@ Rutgers
Nebraska
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Indiana

The problem looking at these two schedules side by side is that the easier schedule is clearly the 2016 schedule. If Hazell is fired after this season, what favor do you give the new head coach to get ahead in his first year? There is a damn good chance that in 2017 Purdue goes winless because the easiest game on that schedule is a tossup between Illinois and Ohio. Illinois will be in year 2ish of their head coach and Solich is a damn good coach at Ohio with an offense that puts up numbers.

Simply looking ahead to 2017 and seeing that it would be a disservice to a new head coach to be given that schedule as a program that is struggling to improve, I think Hazell will be given two years to show improvement which also gives him a recruiting cycle with the new football building in place as well. Frustrating to come to that conclusion, but if he can be allowed to retain his job and hire new coordinators after going 6-30 in his first three seasons, what harm comes if he goes 2-10 or 3-9 this season and then 1-11 or 0-12 in 2017?

 

[nat100]

Buried behind depth........Can`t catch Yancey.................

He was in the slot, behind Anthrop and Posey

 

[Summy1]

After doing a little digging and thinking on my own, this is my train of thought:

If Purdue (with an arguably easier schedule for 2016) wins 3 or less games, it will be tough to sell that the issues that have led the program to this point don't simply lie with the head coach and the direction he is providing. Firing booth coordinators and another assistant coach along with losing 2-3 other coaches is a MAJOR staff shakeup. If things don't seem to improve in a large way this season, then what evidence suggests that they will get better in 2017 with a schedule that is seriously difficult.
2016:
Eastern Kentucky
Cincinnati
Nevada
@ Maryland
@ Illinois
Iowa
@ Nebraska
Penn State
@ Minnesota
Northwestern
Wisconsin
@ Indiana

2017:
Louisville
Ohio Bobcats
@ Missouri
Michigan (HC)
Minnesota
@ Wisconsin
@ Rutgers
Nebraska
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Indiana

The problem looking at these two schedules side by side is that the easier schedule is clearly the 2016 schedule. If Hazell is fired after this season, what favor do you give the new head coach to get ahead in his first year? There is a damn good chance that in 2017 Purdue goes winless because the easiest game on that schedule is a tossup between Illinois and Ohio. Illinois will be in year 2ish of their head coach and Solich is a damn good coach at Ohio with an offense that puts up numbers.

Simply looking ahead to 2017 and seeing that it would be a disservice to a new head coach to be given that schedule as a program that is struggling to improve, I think Hazell will be given two years to show improvement which also gives him a recruiting cycle with the new football building in place as well. Frustrating to come to that conclusion, but if he can be allowed to retain his job and hire new coordinators after going 6-30 in his first three seasons, what harm comes if he goes 2-10 or 3-9 this season and then 1-11 or 0-12 in 2017?

You bring up an interesting point. The 2017 schedule is very tough. The current Purdue team will be lucky to win one game. Does this go into the equation to keep Hazell for the 2017 season because it would be unfair to a new coach? On the other hand, would Burke even think about firing Hazell after this season anyways? If 6.6 million was too much will 4.4 million buyout be any better?

 

[BBG]

So is a host of players leaving considered "progress"?