PJ Fleck: Western Mich HC
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He has them recruiting at a pretty high level for a MAC team. I am pretty sure he has out recruited us in the rankings the past 2-3 years. I think he's a fit simply from that angle....we would most likely see an uptick in talent. He's the type that COULD rebuild relationships with Indiana coaches and find us some talent pipelines back to a TX, FL or other. Some criticism that he's not a great Xs and Os coach, but his teams have been pretty decent in conference play.
I think he's a good fit but if we hired him the bitchers would be out in full force that we hired another MAC flavor of the year, where I think this guy would bring us something to move forward the program that Hazell doesn't.
I am interested to see how a potential coaching search goes down. I think last time around we were all resigned to the fact that we were going to pay the next coach a decent amount but that we weren't really going to be in play for any of the big guys out there (I truly think we dodged a bullet with not hiring Butch Jones, or him not having interest in us). I think this time around we could afford to pay a top coach top money. I think the key will be who is willing to come coach here. I think Sumlin, Briles and Schiano are all "falling star" types that would probably take the jobs on fair terms and be an instant upgrade.
All the Tom Herman talk from a few days ago is a pipe dream. He's not sliding past a Texas, LSU or high caliber program. Not at all.
Herman will wait for the job in Columbus and Fleck would be a up grade should we offer. Still holding out for one of the best line backer that played at Purdue. Brock Spack!!!!
Schiano couldn't cut the muster in the NFL but he was highly successful in bringing a bottom-feeder college program up to respectability.
There's a reason he hasn't been hired for a head gig since he left the NFL. He's an asshole.
I'm not saying he couldn't fix this mess.....but there are others I would prefer.
I cringe when I think about what shit this guy would start as "traditions" at Purdue.
Nuff said. ......video proves Fleck is borderline deranged and his manufactured traditions are imbecilic (row boat?) but I sure wish DH had half his entusiasm
Until today, he has beaten no one that matters. He lost to Hazell a few seasons ago. No MAC titles, no bowl wins.
This dude is a hype machine, too. His "Row the Boat" slogan sucks @$$.
How are we going to row a boat through a furnace?
Plenty of practice with the Wabash so near, and the DJ fits right in with bringing "one, two, three, first down *****" back.
the awesome 1st down cheer that I loved during my days at school was just absolutely ruined by that addition. Coincidentally, the start of that horrendous version was also the start of our downward spiral/plummet in football, no?
Now get off my well manicured lawn and give me back my pink plastic flamingos!!!
I agree, the guy is a clown show! Wow! I'd rather suffer through another 4 years of DH2 than listen to Fleck's nonsense!
Shows you aren't a true fan, I'd take Jim Harbaugh or P.J. Fleck in heartbeat.
He might seem like a clown show to you but he is a better coach and a better recruiter.I know he runs up and down the sidelines and the kids love him for the energy he has during practice and game time. We have laid back Hazell who just won his 7th. game and you would rather see 4 more years of this. Where were you born in Bloomington?
Oh, PJ Fleck or Jim Harbaugh -- pretty much the same, right? Doesn't take much here to be accused of not being a "true fan" nowadays, does it?
He's a better coach and recruiter at WMU -- whether that would translate to PU is an entirely other issue. But if he could take us back to the promised land of 6-6 and pizza bowls (that so many on here couldn't tolerate under DH1) then yes, I'd put up with Fleck's ridiculous antics. He could wear a bozo the clown costume to games and I wouldn't care. Matter of fact, that would be a good tradition for PU football, let the Heach Coach attend "breakfast club" as bozo. With Morgan now gone, we need a new clown to replace him.
western won a bowl game last year. took over a very bad team with a lack of talent. went 1-11 in year 1 and back to back 8-5 seasons in year 2 and 3. should be very good this year.. he has everybody in that area saying row the boat. the school has not been this excited about football in a long time
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Winning football games brings energy to a football program. Hype and slogans don't win football games.
Has he ever had a season like Hazell where he won the MAC division and 11 games? Not even close. Hazell beat this guy a couple of years ago and you want him?
DH2 had ONE good season at Kent State. Fleck has shown progress at WMU like we should have or wished we would have seen here. 1-11 to 8-5, 8-5 likely more wins coming this year. Already out recruits us at a MAC school, beat Northwestern ( we haven't) and numerous other D-1 teams, which we haven't really done. If he wins 9-10 games this year, which seems likely that would be trending upward no? The comparison between him and DH2 doesnt make any sense at all. Let me guess you think we will get Tom Herman or Jon Gruden or some other ridiculous name that gets tossed around here like it could actually happen.
As of today, Fleck is 18-21 including 1-1 in bowl games at WMU. Hazell is 7-30 including 1-3 against MAC schools at Purdue. That 1 win is against Fleck's WMU team in 2014 though. So, process that information as you see fit.
Spack will take his team to Evaston this Sat. if I read his schedule right. If State would beat Northwester then he would be the best choice but then again the Cats might be that bad should they lose at home. Spack bleeds gold and black and would be a good choice cause he knows how to win in the Big.
But they bring recruits in, and that is how we win. Purdue has been going wrong at football for a long time. It is isn't the 50s anymore.
Looks like Sumlin might be safe at Texas A&M again, however I've heard things from A&M that the program is dysfunctional. That is something we don't need at Purdue, and I don't want Fred Akers #2. I don't trust Spack at this point, and I doubt he would come back after we burned bridges with him.
Morgan's bridge to Spack is all that was burned -- with Morgan gone, Spack would come back in an instant. He's smart, resourceful and would work his guts out. We should have hired him as Tiller's replacement, rather than DH1. Still, this could work out better because no coach, no matter how good, could have been successful at Purdue under the terms Morgan laid out for DH1 ... MAC-level assistants' salaries, inferior facilities, etc. Spack would get it done with competitive support from the AD.
If we want to hire an FCS guy, I'd say Bob Stitt from Montana or Jamey Chadwell from Charleston Southern.
Jamey Chadwell is a better coach than Spack, Stitt has an innovative offense. I really wanted Dino Babers, but they didn't have enough balls to fire Hazell. My List for best coaches to hire for Purdue this season include P.J. Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Scott Satterfield, Mike Leach, any of the sucessful Big 12 Offensive coordinators, any of Ohio State's coordinators, Kevin Sumlin, and on the bottom of the list is the FCS guys (Jamey Chadwell, Bob Stitt, Brock Spack).
Oh, so we should hire Chadwell because he's a "better coach" than Spack. That explains it? At the risk of exploring the depths of your analysis beyond the surface, let me then ask, WHY do you think he's a better coach? I seem to recall that Spack also has some experience with innovative offenses.
Spack is the very last thing we need. Appreciate his time here, but no. He may Bleed black and gold but we need much more than that.
I think you're underestimating him -- he was Tiller's #2 for a reason, and Tiller's a pretty good judge of coaching talent.
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