PJ, best Purdue PG since...
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I am befuddled. It us unbelievable to me that you put Johnson ahead of Sterling Carter. Carter had been inserted into the starting lineup and the team was starting to reel off the victories till he was injured. Purdue had improved to a bubble team and if they had continued, would have made the tournament. Carter's injury plus the medical condition for Jay Simpson put the wrong players on the floor and we trashed the season.
PJ does what Boilers need to win - consummate team guy who is very underappreciated. I am proud of not only his on court performance but how he represents Purdue in what he says to media and how he appears to be a leader. He is a positive influence on and off court.
I think he's the best since Tony Jones or Ricky Hall.
Sorry, just obligated to insert some Fort guys into any PG historical discussion.
Sorry, just obligated to insert some Fort guys into any PG historical discussion.
It has been said that the mental to physical is 4:1. Whatever the number is it is obvious the mental is important. Carsen is not a 1 in a motion or read offense...mentally. can he get there...sure. he never played the 1 in high school either. He is a scorer first not a distributor. Sure the next level only allows his body to play the one...if he should get there. Matt has wanted to move towards two pgs playing together and that would obviously mean more scoring by the PG. I hope Carsen keeps his aggression and yet develops the PG mentality as well
Long way to go this season.....and am enjoying the Boilers, win or lose. However, Edwards/Eastern could be "nasty" down the line....we shall see.
1. Lewjack
2. Octeus
3. PJ
After that it's a wash.
PJ doesn't get enough credit and he never will.
2. Octeus
3. PJ
After that it's a wash.
PJ doesn't get enough credit and he never will.
That's how I would rank 'm in the past 10 years. LewJack is #1 in my opinion, but PJ might be the most undervalued Purdue player since Matt Kiefer.
Yeah I'm surprised Crump was rated so low. Definitely would be higher up than Bryson Scott, Johnny Hill & Sterling Carter IMO. He was a big reason for Purdue turning it around under Painter. Had some big performances to take us to the NCAA tournament in 2006(?)
I was hoping to see Tony Jones somewhere in this thread-thank you. Chris Kramer and Dave Barrett were pretty good too esp in charges taken and just flat out hustle.
That is the nature of how Painter views the roles. There are guards and there are 4's and 5's. The only one with a strict position is Isaac.
we will see the two point system in 19. Carsen and Nojel as 1's. Cline as the two. Wheeler at the 3. Haarms as a stretch 5. Run run run.
Porter Roberts was not a good guard. Terrible outside shot, not a very good ball handler, not a creator, but was a good defender. He was the typical Keady PG.
what saved Porter was he had Big Dog and Zo to pick up the offense
Would PJ start for any other B10 team? I doubt it. His assist/TO ratio is so good because all he has to do is dump it into a big. He doesn't have to try and create offense which would result in more TOs.
He's really a victim of circumstance, but in this case, it's the best situation he could be in.
He's really a victim of circumstance, but in this case, it's the best situation he could be in.
Think he would be fine in Wisconsin's system too. He's better than the two clowns MSU is playing this season although Winston may be better by next season. Frankly, I'd take him over Newkirk at IU. He'd probably start for Rutgers too.
Back then the perimeter was not protected as much and the D on the PG could really set the tone defensively. Kid average close to 24 in high school I think, but was never asked to be a scorer at Purdue and possibly lost whatever scoring confidence he may have had
Perception is reality. I consider him a shutdown defender for the 3 peat team. Didn't turn the ball over and had outstanding perimeter defense.
But like most of the Keady guards, he was one dimensional and in my opinion, that's why Keady struggled in the tourney.
Guards win tourney games but Keady rarely had guards who could take over on the offensive end.
Yes, he was a typical Keady guard. So? He took care of the ball. Didn't turn it over. Distributed well. And, shut down the perimeter. This is a discussion about "Purdue guards", not nationally. Saying he was a typical Keady guard is fine....he coached many teams. He's up there IMO as a very good PG.
But, good/great guard play is the key to tourney success. It's no coincident that Purdue has failed to put hardly any guards in the NBA and not reached a FF in 37 years. The correlation is a lack of guards who can get the team to the next level.
Of course, more than 10 years ago, but it's hard to find someone who played better than Porter ! ! !
PJ has the heart of a Boilermaker. He has worked to improve every year and uses every ounce of his abilities to win. He may not have the raw talent of other PGs, but none of them have worked harder. And he's proven that he's a very smart player.
Kramer didn't play the 1 much at all and Dave Barrett...that's great that he hustled but no, he should never be included in any thread or list of best Purdue PG's.
Carsen Edwards is a scorer that can play PG. That's how teams go far in the NCAA Tournament. They don't go far with Steve Reid's, Mack Gadis', Dave Barrett's, Matt Painter's, Porter Roberts' (excluding their Elite Eight win powered by The Big Dog), Alan Eldridge's, Brandon McKnight's, Austin Parkinson's, etc. manning the 1 position.
I can live with this.
I do think PJ has a better shot than Lewjack who was better at getting to the rim.
Not sure what point and comparison you're trying to make. A bunch of those guys played in the NBA.
My comparison is that those are all what you would call "pure PGs" & in reference to the post below:
Carsen Edwards is a scorer that can play PG. That's how teams go far in the NCAA Tournament. They don't go far with Steve Reid's, Mack Gadis', Dave Barrett's, Matt Painter's, Porter Roberts' (excluding their Elite Eight win powered by The Big Dog), Alan Eldridge's, Brandon McKnight's, Austin Parkinson's, etc. manning the 1 position.
Yes many played in the NBA, but none would be considered a "scorer" as was pointed out you that you had to be to go far in the NCAA Tournament.
Carsen Edwards is a scorer that can play PG. That's how teams go far in the NCAA Tournament. They don't go far with Steve Reid's, Mack Gadis', Dave Barrett's, Matt Painter's, Porter Roberts' (excluding their Elite Eight win powered by The Big Dog), Alan Eldridge's, Brandon McKnight's, Austin Parkinson's, etc. manning the 1 position.
Yes many played in the NBA, but none would be considered a "scorer" as was pointed out you that you had to be to go far in the NCAA Tournament.
I didn't say you had to be a scorer, but you can't be one dimensional or an offensive liability.
CE has the best combination or skills since Moore and before that, it was Willie Deane.
You can't give the ball to Amy of our guards, other than CE and say " go make a play".
They can all shoot, but in the tourney, there's moments when you need a player that can go get a good look in crunch time. ( see how we lost 2 years in a row).
