PJ, best Purdue PG since...

[hamcoboiler]

Curious what everyone says.

I went to watch PJ play in high school when Brebeuf played Carmel, but he was out with an injured foot. I wasn't sure what to expect when he came to Purdue, but he has really grown into a very solid point guard. Looking back at Purdue PG's he is moving up the list.

 

[nagemj02]

I think you mean Carsen Edwards...

 

[boilerzz]

I think you mean Carsen Edwards...

Perhaps you missed where he said PG, not SG.

 

[hamcoboiler]

I think you mean Carsen Edwards...

as much as I would love to see Carsen move to point when PJ goes out of the game, Painter usually goes with Spike. CE is pretty entrenched as the two guard on this roster.

 

[nagemj02]

Perhaps you missed where he said PG, not SG.

No, I think Carsen is a 1 as much as P.J. is a 1.

 

[nagemj02]

as much as I would love to see Carsen move to point when PJ goes out of the game, Painter usually goes with Spike. CE is pretty entrenched as the two guard on this roster.

disagree: I don't think Carsen was the "2" in Purdue's final offensive possession today.

 

[boilerzz]

No, I think Carsen is a 1 as much as P.J. is a 1.

Fortunately, Matt Painter doesn't.

 

[nagemj02]

Fortunately, Matt Painter doesn't.

He doesn't? I've seen Carsen bring the ball up to initiate the halfcourt offense quite often. That would be the definition of playing the 1 in Purdue's motion.

 

[hamcoboiler]

No, I think Carsen is a 1 as much as P.J. is a 1.

i prefer my starting PG to lead the conference in assists to turnovers for two consecutive years. you can't question his talent as PG. just because Carsen got the ball on the final play doesn't mean he is the PG. By your standard Huerter is Maryland's PG.

 

[nagemj02]

i prefer my starting PG to lead the conference in assists to turnovers for two consecutive years. you can't question his talent as PG. just because Carsen got the ball on the final play doesn't mean he is the PG. By your standard Huerter is Maryland's PG.

Carsen brings the ball up and initiates the offense at times. That is what a 1 does in Purdue's offense. Therefore, he can be considered a 1 and not just a 2.

 

[boilerzz]

Carsen brings the ball up and initiates the offense at times. That is what a 1 does in Purdue's offense. Therefore, he can be considered a 1 and not just a 2.

So does Vince...and Mathias. They aren't 1's either.

 

[nagemj02]

So does Vince...and Mathias. They aren't 1's either.

Carsen brings it up more than those two. Carsen guards opposing 1's (or 2's). Carsen is a guard. Those three things make him as much of a 1 as he is a 2.

 

[hamcoboiler]

i saw biggie bring it up the floor this year, that means he is a PG and since he is going to be a high first round pick, Biggie is Purdue's best PG since Big Dog who also brought the ball up the floor at times.

somehow a thread about how solid of a player PJ has grown into turns into this.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

Neither one got an assist today. That's what I look for from the point. CE had 2 TOs, PJ none. CE was 4 of 12, no 3s but 4-4 on throws. PJ was 2-4 on 3s. Glad we have both of them. But for our current starting 5, PJ is the 1 and CE the 2. No way it could be the other way.

Our forwards led us in assists. Dakota 6 and Vince 3. We only had 10, but only 11 TOs, same as MD.

 

[nagemj02]

Carsen guards opposing 1's. Those others do not. That's why he should be considered a 1 and why I oppose your original premise.

 

[hamcoboiler]

Carsen guards opposing 1's. Those others do not. That's why he should be considered a 1 and why I oppose your original premise.

haha, syracuse must not have a point guard since no one player guards the opposing team's 1's. keep it up with your failed logic.

 

[nagemj02]

haha, syracuse must not have a point guard since no one player guards the opposing team's 1's. keep it up with your failed logic.

Carsen both brings the ball up and defends 1's. Those are facts, not failed logic.

 

[mathboy]

Carsen guards opposing 1's. Those others do not. That's why he should be considered a 1 and why I oppose your original premise.

I don't think it works that way. It is not who you guard. Sometimes Vince guards the PG. Toward the end of the game Mathias was guarding Melo, and nobody is going to mistake Matthias as a PG, right?

In fact you will see our 3/4 (Vince) bring the ball up often and initiate the play. My recommendation is to stop working so hard to differentiate the 1 and 2 positions in Painter's offense because I think it is a strictly artificial distinction that matters not.

 

[nips18]

Carsen guards opposing 1's. Those others do not. That's why he should be considered a 1 and why I oppose your original premise.

Painter recruited Nojel Eastern to play PG, with Carsen at the SG. On defense, they will switch, as Carsen is quicker and better defender of the 1. On offense, Carsen is currently better playing the 2 with the ability to score on his own. Hopefully, he grows into more of a scoring 1 because that's his only ticket to the next level.

 

[BoilerStation]

Painter has said Carsen is a 2 or sg. If that's what he says then that is what it is. That should end this silly discussion.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I'll say since Lewis Jackson....two different types of players, though. PJT is a more reliable shooter from deep with less turnovers, but LJ could penetrate and finish at the rim and had the capability to be more of a disruption on defense.

Both in the mold of "anything for the team" with the other teammates being much more of a focus on offense.

PJT will hit a big shot somewhere down the stretch of this season...had a good one today on a great effort from Biggie.

Just tryin to get this thread....."Back on the right Track."

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I don't think it works that way. It is not who you guard. Sometimes Vince guards the PG. Toward the end of the game Mathias was guarding Melo, and nobody is going to mistake Matthias as a PG, right?

In fact you will see our 3/4 (Vince) bring the ball up often and initiate the play. My recommendation is to stop working so hard to differentiate the 1 and 2 positions in Painter's offense because I think it is a strictly artificial distinction that matters not.

I agree. This is a silly argument. The beauty of Purdue's offense is that it is pretty much positionless. In fact, I think that Dakota is the primary distributor in Purdue's offense, even more so than PJ. Dakota sets up his teamates with passing more often than any other player on the team.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I agree. This is a silly argument. The beauty of Purdue's offense is that it is pretty much positionless. In fact, I think that Dakota is the primary distributor in Purdue's offense, even more so than PJ. Dakota sets up his teamates with passing more often than any other player on the team.

Some good thoughts, Dad; Mathias leads the team in assists, and had six of Purdue's 10 today.

 

[boilerzz]

So yet another thread where everyone disagrees with Nag. Hmm....

 

[nagemj02]

So yet another thread where everyone disagrees with Nag. Hmm....

I don't think BoilerDaddy was disagreeing. Hmm....

 

[tjreese]

Carsen guards opposing 1's. Those others do not. That's why he should be considered a 1 and why I oppose your original premise.

Position by numbers is an offensive assignment and has nothing to do with who guards who. Dakota was guarding Melo towards the end and nobody is talking about Dakota being a pg,

 

[TheMogul]

IMO.... Carsen can obviously guard the 1 or 2 but until he has more discipline (gets wiser with age) he fits the 2 role perfectly. He is aggressive, confident, and electric (similar to Barlow but obviously better) but he isn't as aware of our offensive needs as PJ. PJ is the biggest overachiever on our team rn.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

My true PG rankings for the last ten years:

1. Jon Octeus
2. PJ Thompson
3. Lewis Jackson
4. Ronnie Johnson
5. Sterling Carter
6. Bryson Scott
7. Johnny Hill
8. Tarrance Crump
9. Spike Albrecht

We've been pretty thin at PG until recently.

 

[nagemj02]

My true PG rankings for the last ten years:

1. Jon Octeus
2. PJ Thompson
3. Lewis Jackson
4. Ronnie Johnson
5. Sterling Carter
6. Bryson Scott
7. Johnny Hill
8. Tarrance Crump
9. Spike Albrecht

We've been pretty thin at PG until recently.

With Sterling Carter, I would say he was more of a 2 than a 1. I would substitute him for CE on your list.

Also, I know he wasn't considered a true PG, but Kelsey Barlow played the 1 more often than he played the 3. The same goes for Keaton Grant (his first two seasons before LewJack showed up): he played the 1 more often than the 2 or 3.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Neither one got an assist today. That's what I look for from the point. CE had 2 TOs, PJ none. CE was 4 of 12, no 3s but 4-4 on throws. PJ was 2-4 on 3s. Glad we have both of them. But for our current starting 5, PJ is the 1 and CE the 2. No way it could be the other way.

Our forwards led us in assists. Dakota 6 and Vince 3. We only had 10, but only 11 TOs, same as MD.

Only turned the ball over 3-4 times in the second half.

 

[boiler-deuce]

My true PG rankings for the last ten years:

1. Jon Octeus
2. PJ Thompson
3. Lewis Jackson
4. Ronnie Johnson
5. Sterling Carter
6. Bryson Scott
7. Johnny Hill
8. Tarrance Crump
9. Spike Albrecht

We've been pretty thin at PG until recently.

Porter Roberts was pretty good in his own right. Dude was a fierce defender also.

 

[nagemj02]

Porter Roberts was pretty good in his own right. Dude was a fierce defender also.

His list is players from the last 10 years.

 

[boiler-deuce]

His list is players from the last 10 years.

I missed that. My bad.

 

[nagemj02]

I missed that. My bad.

Well, I guess if you're responding to the OP, your point is fair. I assumed that you were responding to dumpsterFyre's list.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Well, I guess if you're responding to the OP, your point is fair. I assumed that you were responding to dumpsterFyre's list.

Yeah, I was. I missed that. Guilty.

 

[dwhitebash11]

I actually agree with nage on this one, CE is more of a 1 than a 2, but it's utilized as a 2 THIS YEAR because we don't need another 1 with PJ playing exceptionally and Spike bringing that veteran intelligence. I think it's a dumb argument to go back and forth with about 20 times, but it's not my fingers taking the punishment of typing, so oh well.


You just don't see many 6'0 shooting guards in either college and definitely not NBA. Maybe he's a unicorn? I'd be good with that definition. Otherwise, he'll never make the NBA as a 2, but has the perfect mentality and body for an attacking PG. Reminds me of a Russell Westbrook type of PG.

 

[Boilerkid18]

I actually agree with nage on this one, CE is more of a 1 than a 2, but it's utilized as a 2 THIS YEAR because we don't need another 1 with PJ playing exceptionally and Spike bringing that veteran intelligence. I think it's a dumb argument to go back and forth with about 20 times, but it's not my fingers taking the punishment of typing, so oh well.


You just don't see many 6'0 shooting guards in either college and definitely not NBA. Maybe he's a unicorn? I'd be good with that definition. Otherwise, he'll never make the NBA as a 2, but has the perfect mentality and body for an attacking PG. Reminds me of a Russell Westbrook type of PG.

If Carson was 6'4, he would've been a potential McDonalds All-American in high school

 

[slidde01]

My true PG rankings for the last ten years:

1. Jon Octeus
2. PJ Thompson
3. Lewis Jackson
4. Ronnie Johnson
5. Sterling Carter
6. Bryson Scott
7. Johnny Hill
8. Tarrance Crump
9. Spike Albrecht

We've been pretty thin at PG until recently.

LOLZ! How old are you? Did you even see crump play? Scott, carter, hill over crump???

Gimme a break.

 

[cprh9u]

Octeus > PJT. So since Octeus to the OP's question

 

[dumpsterFyre]

LOLZ! How old are you? Did you even see crump play? Scott, carter, hill over crump???

Gimme a break.

Old enough to discuss/debate like a grownup. Why are you so bothered by my opinion?