Passing up good shots to feed a clogged post

[BTFU22]

Since the Butler game, it seems like the team is 'over-passing" and not following in a natural flow of the game (exclude 10 minutes from the Iowa game). I keep noticing that the team will pass up a nice open look, and force the ball into the post, when the shoot should have been taken (and not forced into a triple teamed post player). This seems to be leading to a lot of turnovers, because we are trying to force a square peg in a round hole, instead of having the confidence to shoot over the zone.

I assume CPM jumped their butts about making the extra pass and feeding the post (and I get it), but it hasn't rested in a happy median. It seems like the the flow and decision making has shifted so much, to feeding the post -NO MATTER WHAT, that were passing up great shots. I noticed Davis passed up some wide open shots and so did everyone else...to feed the post into a triple team that led to a turnover - anyone else notice this shift in over passing and overly feeding the post recently?

 

[CRBoiler]

I think you are onto something. It has been sufficiently proven that other teams can take away our post feed game, and we need to burn teams that try that by exploiting the other opportunities.

 

[FirstDownB]

I think you are onto something. It has been sufficiently proven that other teams can take away our post feed game, and we need to burn teams that try that by exploiting the other opportunities.

A lot of people see this. But it appears the coach has made up his mind. Once again, all we hear from him is players need to play better.

 

[boiler_pride]

Well, it might look that way but:

* We are one of the poorer 3-point shooting teams in the nation. Yet we take an above average number of 3-point shots per game.
* We are one of the best 2-point shooting teams in the nation. I'll let you guess our our 2 pt FGA versus the average.

I think philosophically Painter likes the 3-and-D players and this mindset that's popular in the NBA that mid-range shots are to be avoided. Everything is either at the basket or outside the three point line. However, I think he's realizing the formula is breaking down and we need more shots at the basket and less outside. That would be my guess.

Additionally, Davis is a bit hesitant with his shot. He has almost always been. This has nothing to do with his injury IMO. I think he over-thinks too much at times.

 

[Heller]

We have a number of guys who can make a open three. Problem lies in a clogged post because we have people who don't spread the floor and find a open space to receive a pass back out of the post.

 

[Bigohh]

Since the Butler game, it seems like the team is 'over-passing" and not following in a natural flow of the game (exclude 10 minutes from the Iowa game). I keep noticing that the team will pass up a nice open look, and force the ball into the post, when the shoot should have been taken (and not forced into a triple teamed post player). This seems to be leading to a lot of turnovers, because we are trying to force a square peg in a round hole, instead of having the confidence to shoot over the zone.

I assume CPM jumped their butts about making the extra pass and feeding the post (and I get it), but it hasn't rested in a happy median. It seems like the the flow and decision making has shifted so much, to feeding the post -NO MATTER WHAT, that were passing up great shots. I noticed Davis passed up some wide open shots and so did everyone else...to feed the post into a triple team that led to a turnover - anyone else notice this shift in over passing and overly feeding the post recently?

Just the opposite. We either jack up the first open look over the 10 second line (usually KS) or we pass around the perimeter like the Globetrotters and then look, look, look, to feed the post. I wish I had a dollar for every open look into the post we have passed up this season. By the time we finally make the feed the weak side defender is ready to double team the post and the post player isn't coached well enough to find the open man. So the post guy after being double teamed tries to dribble (usually Swanigan or Haas) and turns the ball over.

 

[FiveWeight]

Early in the season, it seemed when opponents went on runs it was because of lack of getting the ball to the frontcourt. We have the best bigs in the nation and should utilize them as our primary weapon. We have a serviceable 3-point game for a complement to the frontcourt, but it's nothing special on a national stage. Therefore, our offense should be biased to the frontcourt. I'm glad there's a greater emphasis placed on getting AJ, Haas and Swanigan the ball every possession. When Hammons gets the ball 4-6 feet out, it's hard to stop him no matter how many guys he's against. The problems I see are usually when the frontcourt guys are double-teamed a little farther out and either try to work their way through a bunch of defenders or take a contested jumper. That's where most of the missed shots and turnovers occur. I think it's more a matter of the position they are in during the entry pass - and that's what I'd like to see worked on. I don't see us being an elite team if the strategy becomes to be more balanced because the other aspects of the offense aren't elite. If we are to make a run in March, it will be because our front court is unstoppable and the other aspects of our offense are just more consistent (plus D and work on turnovers).

 

[*4purdue*]

I think you are onto something. It has been sufficiently proven that other teams can take away our post feed game, and we need to burn teams that try that by exploiting the other opportunities.

Really???

 

[spradecki]

We have a number of guys who can make a open three. Problem lies in a clogged post because we have people who don't spread the floor and find a open space to receive a pass back out of the post.

nothing new under the sun. been like that for a couple seasons.

 

[FirstDownB]

Just the opposite. We either jack up the first open look over the 10 second line (usually KS) or we pass around the perimeter like the Globetrotters and then look, look, look, to feed the post. I wish I had a dollar for every open look into the post we have passed up this season. By the time we finally make the feed the weak side defender is ready to double team the post and the post player isn't coached well enough to find the open man. So the post guy after being double teamed tries to dribble (usually Swanigan or Haas) and turns the ball over.

It's funny how people can watch the exact same thing and see things completely different. At Illinois I saw a team (KS aside) that was trying really hard to find post entries almost every time down the court. Problem is, the post was being doubled and passing lanes were closed. Then as fast as they could swing the ball around, the defense adjusted just as quickly. You say there were open passing lanes. I say by the time one of our players received a pass and looked to the post (yes you have to look first to make sure there is an open passing lane), the lane was closed off. We forced the ball a few times anyway, which usually resulted in turnovers. Yes, when we get the ball in deep post position it is almost an automatic basket. But getting both the player (as he is being double teamed and held) and the ball there at the same time is far from automatic regardless of your size advantage if the defense is on their game and focused on preventing this one thing.
This is why I would like to see us move the post position around a bit more and give the defense multiple looks.

 

[FiveWeight]

Really???

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4Purdue - I think CRBioler's post was that other teams have been taking away the post feed. That doesn't mean they've been literally taking away the ball when a player gets the ball in the post - which does happen but it wasn't his point.. I read this as meaning they deny the entry pass in the first place.

 

[CRBoiler]

4Purdue - I think CRBioler's post was that other teams have been taking away the post feed. That doesn't mean they've been literally taking away the ball when a player gets the ball in the post - which does happen but it wasn't his point.. I read this as meaning they deny the entry pass in the first place.

Yes, that was the point... Some teams have been able to stifle our offense by successfully denying passes into the post.