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Passing out of the post

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If Biggie stays in the draft, who will be the next best player(s) when it comes to passing out the post next season? Vince Edwards did more posting up this past season than he ever did in his first two seasons, so he would be my first choice. Does anyone know how skilled Eden Ewing and Matt Haarms are in that aspect of the game? Can Isaac Haas and Jacquil Taylor improve in that area? Has Malik Ondigo or any of the other 2017 post prospects shown this ability?
 
Hopefully Haas because he's the one guy we know will be in there every game. Needs to improve for sure.
 
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I doubt Haas will be back. If he does, he needs a lot more playing time, so he can learn when to pass out of the post and when to dribble to position himself for jump shots. His biggest education is to pick up some fouls and stay aggressive going to the boards. He appears slow and this is intensified, because he is not trying to grab every rebound. The coaches need to turn him loose and allow him to foul out of some non-conference games. Give Haas a carrot, tell him that if he grabs 10 boards a game that he can play 25 minutes a game.
 
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[QUOTE="todd brewster, post: 1398508, member: 7270"]I doubt Haas will be back. If he does, he needs a lot more playing time, so he can learn when to pass out of the post and when to dribble to position himself for jump shots. His biggest education is to pick up some fouls and stay aggressive going to the boards. He appears slow and this is intensified, because he is not trying to grab every rebound. The coaches need to turn him loose and allow him to foul out of some non-conference games. Give Haas a carrot, tell him that if he grabs 10 boards a game that he can play 25 minutes a game.[/QUOTE]

NBA? Europe? Transfer? Where do you think he is going?
 
He'll be back.

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I doubt Haas will be back. If he does, he needs a lot more playing time, so he can learn when to pass out of the post and when to dribble to position himself for jump shots. His biggest education is to pick up some fouls and stay aggressive going to the boards. He appears slow and this is intensified, because he is not trying to grab every rebound. The coaches need to turn him loose and allow him to foul out of some non-conference games. Give Haas a carrot, tell him that if he grabs 10 boards a game that he can play 25 minutes a game.

Haas can play immediately for an NBA team that wants a big man who can score down low. Not all NBA teams want him, but one will. The Purdue sportswriter think Haas will only play 20 minutes a game again and if so, Haas should bolt.

I already posted how MP should tell Biggie he will play mainly PF with Vince at SF and Haas at center. If Taylor et al can play 15 good minutes at C, then Biggie may come back. In this case, Haas will come back too.

With minutes, Haas can improve dramatically, Biggie will be better suited for the NBA and Vince may have a chance at SF, but definitely a career in Europe.
 
Haas can play immediately for an NBA team that wants a big man who can score down low. Not all NBA teams want him, but one will. The Purdue sportswriter think Haas will only play 20 minutes a game again and if so, Haas should bolt.

I already posted how MP should tell Biggie he will play mainly PF with Vince at SF and Haas at center. If Taylor et al can play 15 good minutes at C, then Biggie may come back. In this case, Haas will come back too.

With minutes, Haas can improve dramatically, Biggie will be better suited for the NBA and Vince may have a chance at SF, but definitely a career in Europe.

Which Purdue sportswriter? Jeff Washburn?

Haas played 19.5 MPG this past season. Part of that was due to the "smaller" lineup with Swanigan at the 5 and VE at the 4 and part of that was due to not being able to defend bigs out on the perimeter in man-to-man D (which really should not be a surprise to anyone, including Painter, that his 7'2" 280 pound center might not do well at defending smaller bigs in man D).

I think he'll be back and average somewhere in the 20 to 25 MPG range his senior season. He knows it's his last rodeo and I think he's a driven enough young man that he will make some improvements.
 
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Which Purdue sportswriter? Jeff Washburn?
Haas played 19.5 MPG this past season. Part of that was due to the "smaller" lineup with Swanigan at the 5 and VE at the 4 and part of that was due to not being able to defend bigs out on the perimeter in man-to-man D (which really should not be a surprise to anyone, including Painter, that his 7'2" 280 pound center might not do well at defending smaller bigs in man D).
I think he'll be back and average somewhere in the 20 to 25 MPG range his senior season. He knows it's his last rodeo and I think he's a driven enough young man that he will make some improvements.

There was only one player who burned Haas defensively. It happened in the first half, because he hit 2 3's and then drove for two spinning layups. In the 2nd half, he missed his 3 and then when he tried his spin, Biggie picked his pocket. Still MP did not play Haas much in the 2nd half and we lost going small.

I don't know the name of the sportswriter, but when I read it, I prayed Haas didn't. If it is somewhat true and MP did not talk to Haas about it, I would leave.
 
There was only one player who burned Haas defensively. It happened in the first half, because he hit 2 3's and then drove for two spinning layups. In the 2nd half, he missed his 3 and then when he tried his spin, Biggie picked his pocket. Still MP did not play Haas much in the 2nd half and we lost going small.

I don't know the name of the sportswriter, but when I read it, I prayed Haas didn't. If it is somewhat true and MP did not talk to Haas about it, I would leave.

I'm not just talking about Mo Wagner. There were multiple players who could score out on the perimeter or off high pick-and-rolls against him throughout the season (and ones I'm forgetting from the previous two seasons).

Despite that, I don't hold it against Haas. I don't think he should be expected to do those things at a high-level in a man-to-man defense. It's not his strength and no one should really expect a guy that size (and with his good but not great mobility for his size and overall average athletic ability) to be a force in a man-to-man defense.
 
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I'm not just talking about Mo Wagner. There were multiple players who could score out on the perimeter or off high pick-and-rolls against him throughout the season (and ones I'm forgetting from the previous two seasons).
Despite that, I don't hold it against Haas. I don't think he should be expected to do those things at a high-level in a man-to-man defense. It's not his strength and no one should really expect a guy that size (and with his good but not great mobility for his size and overall average athletic ability) to be a force in a man-to-man defense.

The only one who scored well against him this season was Wilson and then Wilson did nothing in the second half. Wagner scored when Haas was out. When Haas came in, Wagner picked up some quick fouls guarding Haas. Later in the game, Haas blocked Wagner's throw down dunk. Haas also blocked Bridges throw down dunk and I have never seen either play highlighted. Purdue should have before the tournament.

You could argue that the Vermont player he was guarding had scored well. This is when Haas was sloughing off stopping Vermont from getting layups. Vermont did get one put back when a player went untouched to the basket and the ball hit the rim and then went right into his hands for the quickest put back of the year. The Vermont player took two awkward 15 footers and they both went in. However during these 6-7 minutes, Purdue took command of the game.

Michigan saw that our centers stopped the guard on the pick and roll and then after our guard re-positioned himself went to the hole to pick up. Michigan then had their center to float out to the 3 point line. IMO, with Haas and Biggie in the game, if Michigan tried that Biggie or Haas would go out too and still have the other one down low to grab the rebound. Instead we went small and Michigan beat us.

You could argue that Maryland centers scored against Haas, but that was because Trimble came down the lane and fed layups when Haas challenged him. IMO the refs gave their guy a couple of calls that added to the frustration. However, what other player burned Haas from outside?
 
The only one who scored well against him this season was Wilson and then Wilson did nothing in the second half. Wagner scored when Haas was out. When Haas came in, Wagner picked up some quick fouls guarding Haas. Later in the game, Haas blocked Wagner's throw down dunk. Haas also blocked Bridges throw down dunk and I have never seen either play highlighted. Purdue should have before the tournament.

You could argue that the Vermont player he was guarding had scored well. This is when Haas was sloughing off stopping Vermont from getting layups. Vermont did get one put back when a player went untouched to the basket and the ball hit the rim and then went right into his hands for the quickest put back of the year. The Vermont player took two awkward 15 footers and they both went in. However during these 6-7 minutes, Purdue took command of the game.

Michigan saw that our centers stopped the guard on the pick and roll and then after our guard re-positioned himself went to the hole to pick up. Michigan then had their center to float out to the 3 point line. IMO, with Haas and Biggie in the game, if Michigan tried that Biggie or Haas would go out too and still have the other one down low to grab the rebound. Instead we went small and Michigan beat us.

You could argue that Maryland centers scored against Haas, but that was because Trimble came down the lane and fed layups when Haas challenged him. IMO the refs gave their guy a couple of calls that added to the frustration. However, what other player burned Haas from outside?

There were many guards and wings that Haas had to switch onto in high pick-and-roll situations (Josh Hart of Villanova being a prime example). He did not defend them well, nor would I expect him to when he's being asked to do something that he's not capable of doing particularly well.
 
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