So, there's 4 true blue bloods? And your belief is that a coach at these programs has 4-6 years to get to the FF or win a NC or they're out?
Why is it easier for Purdue to win in conference than in the tournament?
Painter will never get Purdue to the FF.
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Why is it easier for Purdue to win in conference than in the tournament?
Did I miss something? When did I say that a coach at those schools has 4 to 6 years to get to a FF or they're out?
I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this but my original question was to ask for a list of schools that have fired a coach who has made the NCAAT more than 80% of the time and frequently wins conference championships. The OP had asserted that most other P5 programs would move on if a coach doesn't make a FF.
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I dont think he was trying to show a trend but rather demonstrate that neither did the guy he replied to. He's right.
That depends on how you rate Painter. I believe we're a historically top 20 program with one of the best 10 coaches in the country. That coach is one final four away from being considered one of the top 5.
I believe Matt is top 20 coach in CBB, so don't believe we can do better. What do you want to get a Woodson?
I think Painter would need to win the NC to be considered a top 5 coach. He's had terrible failures in March and that's where a program is judged nationally. Right now, Purdue's reputation is one of a team that chokes in the tourney, and that's the perception of the coach as well.
Painter is a good regular season and conference coach. Just not a good tourney coach.
And yes, I do believe we can do better. Who? That depends on how big of check MBob can get.
No, I don't want Woodson, but I would like to see the next coach be from outside the Purdue family and coaching tree. Definitely not a Keady or Painter disciple.
This is just my opinion, I'm not speaking in absolutes. The way I think about it:
Blue Bloods (locked in forever - never to be changed or added to)
UCLA
Kentucky
UNC
Kansas
Indiana
Blue Bloods are "Blue Bloods" bc they had the most success in the early decades of CBBall. You can't become a Blue Blood w recent success only, or one coach only. If you didn't have old-school success, you can't be "Blue".
Next Tier
Duke (no notable success pre-K)
Louisville
UConn (no notable success pre-Calhoun)
Mich State
Blue Bloods (locked in forever - never to be changed or added to)
UCLA
Kentucky
UNC
Kansas
Indiana
Blue Bloods are "Blue Bloods" bc they had the most success in the early decades of CBBall. You can't become a Blue Blood w recent success only, or one coach only. If you didn't have old-school success, you can't be "Blue".
Next Tier
Duke (no notable success pre-K)
Louisville
UConn (no notable success pre-Calhoun)
Mich State
That is the perception of fans and talking heads. The general perception with basketball people is that MP does more with less than just about anyone. I’m not saying Purdue shouldn’t care about the former but there’s a real differentiation to be made there.
Sarcasm son, it's sarcasm. I picked the most random trash data points to demonstrate anyone can call scrambled eggs a "trend".
Should have been titled FIRE PAINTER. Would have saved me some time.
He's a Brad Stevens protege. Which makes him much more likely to be successful in my opinion.
Do you honestly believe Purdue has the resources and tradition to compete with the Florida Atlantics of the world?
I think the whole "doing more with less" thing is part of the culture that needs to be changed. Top recruits hear this and might think "I don't want to be known as 'less'".
I've already started a thread with that title. Don't want to be redundant.
Also it's his own fault that he's working with "less"
I seriously doubt that top recruits are impacted by the 'do more with less view' but I think I understand what you're saying. Certainly recruits have not viewed Purdue as an 'A List' destination where you have a chance to play for a NC and will get a ton of exposure.
I think that's still true for the very top tier of recruits but Purdue has, IMO, become a much more viable (Brian at GBI would say 'sexier') option recently, probably starting with Biggie switching to Purdue from MSU, making a run at NPOY and then getting selected in the first round. Fans are not wrong to lament the lack of NCAAT performance's impact on program perception, but on the flip side I'm not sure many programs have had a better run of high profile players over the last eight years (Biggie, Carsen, Jaden, Zach) and the #1 ranking the past two seasons can't hurt.
Has to translate to NCAAT success but I've been very pleased with the 2020 through 2024 recruiting classes.
"Athletic guards and wings who aren’t skilled don’t do any good"
Unless they play for a mid/low major and they play us in the NCAA's...........
Fair enough, but if your goal is to make it to a FF I have not seen that model work often.
I agree with your post, but once your program is perceived as something, it can be hard to change that perception despite what the reality shows. I'm sure other coaches use this against Purdue in recruiting.
Amazing his players got wide open shots from three all his Shooters are very good shooters but you put the blame on Coach paint since obviously you're a better Coach tell me what he did wrong and with your hindsight done better
Yes, agree, very tough to change and I know that opposing coaches use Purdue's status or lack thereof against us. I also know that that argument is getting harder to make and fewer schools are positioned to make it when you have a lottery pick, a NPOY and two seasons with a #1 ranking. Really need NCAAT success to be able to kick down that door and put the narrative to rest.
We’ll never have the talent that cheating programs or bluebloods have. Get over it.
Painter follows the rules. Puts him at a huge disadvantage. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is naive.
when, in the history of sports, any sport, has the coach not received the blame or accolades for what happens on the court?
Obviously a coach doesn't miss the shot, throw the interception or walk a guy with bases loaded. But, wins and losses the the final measure of a coach. And when a guy hits a half court shot at the buzzer for a win, the coach still gets credit for the win even though it was a lucky shot.
So FDU and St Petes cheat? SDSU and FAU cheat? Multiple Uconn coaches? Mark Few? Jay Wright? Beilein at UM? Stevens at Butler? Wisky made 2 FFs. Cheaters? All of them? Or are you just an excuse machine?
This is a great post if your point is that it's much harder (though not impossible) to make a FF without cheating.
SDSU - yes
Multiple UConn coaches - yes
Mark Few - yes
Jay Wright - likely not
Beilein - would be the first UM coach not to cheat
Stevens - no
Wisky - probably not
Not sure that anyone is arguing that any team that pulled an upset in the NCAAT is cheating so that the FDU and St. Pete's comments seem to be just petty, throw away remarks by you.
Yeah, I love this. They want to get out of the Keady/Painter tree, but they want a guy who was twice an assistant under Painter and admits to being a Painter protege. They don't know what they want.
Never said any of them cheated.
Tho UConn did, multiple times, and even Jay got nailed once.
still think this or nah?
Haha sorry I was just trying to poke fun at bone. And you’re right….totally my fault and I will take full responsibility. Again, my bad.
I can’t believe I didn’t comment previously to this thread or that someone here didn’t talk about my son.
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