That’s why he’s the professor !
Painter response
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There is no quesstion there is a bias...and down on the low post where Zach wants to be it is harder to see the first two fouls on Zach before he shoots as his body is being shoved out. If Zach was at a mid post/to high post the fouls wouldn't occur not just due to teh lack of threat, but you have two refs with an angle view instead of seeing Zach's front from one and back from another. All said, the fouls are obvious. Kim is a Mason fan and somewhat focuses on him a bit more than others and she was telling me through the game...did you see that guy take his two hands and shove Mason in which I didn't.
If the rules are enforced it benefits one team more than another and if the rules are not enforced it benefits one team more than another. That is pretty easy to understand. Now if you pick and choose winners and losers (boy have we seen this before) by following the rules for some positions and not following the rules for other positions that too is and avantage for one team over another...and perhaps the miss direction that can be done is to look at teh final foul count as though each team should have the same and if the same ignoring the timing of those fouls as well since the bonus effects the O and D...
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Matt is always trying to teach his team members to be stoic in adversity. He teaches by example - he wants a steady demeanor. He says you cannot control challenges - it is how you react to things you cannot control. I admire that part of his teaching and can see his side of things. However, I myself, believe that you must protect your guys. You should demonstrate that you have your guys backs. You should stand up when something is wrong. I believe being “stoic” in the face of adversity - referees get a free pass and it is human nature to continue making calls or ignoring bad behavior on the court - if no one is calling your judgement out.
I am a teacher - I see his reasoning and I guess our team understands it. But, the way that Fletcher, Braden, Mason, Furst have been shoved, hook and hold - arm interlocked at free throw line, thrown down, scratched, elbowed , and in essence, Mugged in the NW, 2nd half of Iowa - it is just wrong. I am fearful of Zach getting thrown down like Isaac was in Milwaukee. I can still hear the horrible “crack” when he was tossed to the floor and seeing him writhing in pain on the floor.
This is my only criticism of Matt as a Coach - this continued error in judgement
- not calling out officials for their lack of calls when it could hurt our players. Coach has improved and gotten better in game , recruiting and game prep - through the years. He does it right and represents Purdue with class.
But, When a player is exhausted, beaten down game after game - nothing changes… why should they keep coming back w energy when your head coach does not “show” that he cares. And - Matt Painter does care about his kids. We love this team. But, he needs to show more fire to protect our guys.
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tj, you are so spot on with this. Years ago I was playing in a basketball league and also a volleyball league. The basketball league was call your own fouls and the volleyball league had officials. The basketball league ran smoothly. The volleyball league had whining and complaining. I tried to tell the people running the volleyball league that people will be more honest, friendly, and cooperative if there are no officials and the players have to make the calls. They wouldn't listen to me.
Just watched the Big network and I think it was Katz who said Loyer is struggling. Need to play less minutes and those would go to Jenkins. I have been saying Smith - Jenkins - Newman combo , we need to try that
Bone, I normally agree on officials....they're all like old women in that you're not going to change their minds. And as a coach of many years, it's fruitless to attempt to do so.
I used to tell every official before the game that he would hear very little out of me, and that the only time I would come out is if they missed a call. I was so true, that I walked out on the field one day and the ref looked at me, and said , "I know I blew that one".
But with several of these over-paid hacks in the B10, it's time for Painter to go stark raving ballistic on them...get two or three and get tossed.
This is the worst group of officials I've witnessed in a long time of witnessing bad refs. That said, it's time to play the same game.
In our case calling it closer on drivers benefits most teams we play who have players who can drive and get their own shot. Most teams have a guard and forward who can do so. We have Smith sometimes, Loyer sometimes. But we are limited.
Our players are for the most part 19-24 year old young men. If they become frustrated, like guys that age can do, it's going to show in their play at some level. Painter is a cerebral guy. He likes to think things through and you will very rarely get a misstep from him. It's time for a misstep. He presented his case very eloquently last week after the NW game at the presser. That got Purdue nothing. He is the head of the household and his kids are being wronged. He tried playing nice and I give him credit for that. Time to take this to the next level, not only for wins and losses sake, but for the safety of his players. We don't need or deserve another Isaac Haas situation.
I actually think it’s perfectly reasonable to have a strategy which assumes the refs will generally call a game right. I don’t really see how any team could decide on any strategy without assuming that to be honest…
I say generally because obviously no refs get all the calls right. If people were complaining about 1-2 bad calls that would be one thing. But that is not what is happening.
Matt is NOT responsible for them not dribbling over half court. They seem scared and not confident to do it. Wearing Braden down forcing him to do all the handling.
This!!!! The armchair coaches trying to sort out the problem in the team by just looking at the stats aren't going to get it. I counted 3-4 times when the cutter, without the ball, was shoved or hip checked to the floor while Edey was holding the ball waiting to pass. All those moves are counters b y Purdue when Edey getting double and triple teamed. When opposing teams are allowed to foul or restrict movement of players without calls, our offense runs out of options, and we heave a desperation 3 as the clock runs out. How many times did you see Loyer or Smith go sliding across the Purdue end of the floor while Edey had the ball? That's the real issue with the referees here.
Did we have a 10 second violation at Maryland? I don't recall one.
What does going on like Fran McCafferty do for you players? The refs are not going to change how they call the game.
When he’s the best player in the league and the face of it too, it should be closer to 90%. But they treated Big Dog the same way, if they called half the fouls they missed, he’d have averaged 40.
That would be an improvement. They were well short of that last night and against NW.
No but there were a couple close calls and there was a blatant turnover by Morton forcing a pass backward to Smith instead of dribbling the ball himself over the line.
Your first sentence sets the baseline here.
You know it and admire that about him, but then call him out for it at the end.
Makes no sense.
Today Purdue 21-27 from the line vs 6-11 for OSU. Purdue wins 82-55. Funny how that works.
I wouldn't mind seeing Painter hit Francon 5 either, but the fact is, the refs aren't going to call every foul. Some teams are being told to play extremely physical and then the refs will only call the overly blatant fouls. Apparently this strategy has worked.
But, different officiating crews are going to call games differently, especially in the tourney. Painter and the players have to be ready to adjust to how the game's called.
The best cure will be to start hitting more open jumpers.
Just because Purdue has had a foul shooting discrepancy in its favor does not mean that refs are favoring Purdue or even that the foul discrepancy shouldn’t be worse. If you watch Edey in the post, teams are extremely physical with him because they can’t handle his size. On the other end, Edey does not have to foul because he is so hard to score over.
I think that's the point. Purdue doesn't foul much, draws a ton of fouls, and wins because of it. When the refs swallow the whistles and allow teams like Northwestern, IU, and Maryland to hack and grab with complete impunity, it's really hard to win.
People constantly saying that you have to play through the adversity of the refs refusing to call fouls have never been in that position. It's mentally and physically draining to be brutalized and subsequently miss the shot or rebound or turn the ball over. The players get frustrated, make stupid mistakes, or try and compensate by shooting tough shots. It's a snowball effect.
In all of Purdue's losses, even the home game against Rutgers, the opposing defense has been overly aggressive and allowed to get away with it. Against Ohio State, that wasn't the case. Purdue shot a ton of FTs and won going away.
I too would like to see Jenkins as the 2 playing with Smith. Not fully a change, but see how it works.
If they do that, several players will foul out. But they don't call them.
There are people in our society who have a mindset that it is wrong for someone to has some attribute that might give them an advantage, and then work their a$$ off to maximize and benefit from that attribute. In their minds, the rules should be changed, or ignored, to bring that person down.
This. I always shake my head when people only look at the box scores and think they can draw conclusions about how the game was played.
He is going to get minutes with Braden especially if it gets physical like the times they actually ran over Fletch to take the ball. You want to believe that when the refs look at the crowd and see clean, quiet fans helping those with physical handicaps to their seats, respectful of the "National Anthem" that they will not be under the duress they have at Bloomington and will do their job.
You can see a bit about how it was played, but not "WHY" the box score was the way it was. 50% are below average...
I dont' think there are very many people that feel like that. Of any persuasion.
since the beginning of the human race the 7 deadly sins remain and envy is one of them.
There absolutely are. You've never heard of "equality of outcomes"?!
More specific to the Zach, you don't think the opposing coaches, and apparently some referees, think that the rules shouldn't be tightly enforced when it comes to playing against him because he is a unique, unstoppable talent?
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