Painter response

[Boilermaker]

Does CMP escalate his frustrations to the press or B1G office or just leave it alone as a lost cause and focus simply on game planning vs. the hack-an-Edey strategy?

Your thoughts on what, if anything he should do? Not saying him doing anything will change the situation, but what would you like to him to do, if only to make his thoughts known.

 

[Zaphod_B]

He *should* escalate to both the press and B1G office, but I'll be shocked if he does anything major..

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Too late. Let the frustration boil over. This is why the coach needs to get the tech, so the Gillis thing never happens. He should have lit them up the first time Loyer got sent to the netherealm.

 

[bonefish1]

Quit bitching about the officials. They do t miss shots

 

[searscoach33]

Too late. Let the frustration boil over. This is why the coach needs to get the tech, so the Gillis thing never happens. He should have lit them up the first time Loyer got sent to the netherealm.

Painter needs to have his player's backs....gat after the refs...He NEVER does...always joking with them... well they don't respect him! Look at Izzo - gets a tech every 3rd game and swings the calls, his players put up with his bullshit, because they know he has their backs!!!

 

[Zaphod_B]

Quit bitching about the officials. They do t miss shots

Quit telling me what to do. I'll bitch about the officials all I want. They don't miss shots, but they certainly affect the game..

 

[Boiler Buck]

Does CMP escalate his frustrations to the press or B1G office or just leave it alone as a lost cause and focus simply on game planning vs. the hack-an-Edey strategy?

Your thoughts on what, if anything he should do? Not saying him doing anything will change the situation, but what would you like to him to do, if only to make his thoughts known.

CMP won't do a darn thing on the refs....but what he will do is prepare hard to destroy the next opponent.

Like I said below, should have loaded the team bus @ half, called a press conference to shine a bright light on the year long poor refing. CMP absolutely would never do this. It's against his nature. But it's a fun thought. One thing though, someone needs to stand up for these players. Gillis tried to, that sure didn't work out. Lol

 

[pubill]

Painter needs to have his player's backs....gat after the refs...He NEVER does...always joking with them... well they don't respect him! Look at Izzo - gets a tech every 3rd game and swings the calls, his players put up with his bullshit, because they know he has their backs!!!

I believe our players know Matt has their back/

 

[searscoach33]

Does CMP escalate his frustrations to the press or B1G office or just leave it alone as a lost cause and focus simply on game planning vs. the hack-an-Edey strategy?

Your thoughts on what, if anything he should do? Not saying him doing anything will change the situation, but what would you like to him to do, if only to make his thoughts known.

he's too Soft to do ANY escalations

 

[bonefish1]

Quit telling me what to do. I'll bitch about the officials all I want. They don't miss shots, but they certainly affect the game..

Keep tilting at windmills. See how many games that wins for you.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Quit bitching about the officials. They do t miss shots

You don’t think the failure of officials to enforce the rules can contribute to missed shots?

 

[Zaphod_B]

Keep tilting at windmills. See how many games that wins for you.

I don't play the feckin games! The players do! They need to not worry about the refs, but I, as a fan, do not affect the games at all! (except my lucky clothing of choice at times of course)

 

[BoilerMaker P]

One of Purdue’s strengths during their winning streaks were free throw advantage (at one point they had made more than opponents had taken) A main reason for this was all the fouls resulted in them getting into the double bonus early and shooting an automatic 2 the rest of the way. Those early fouls have evaporated. They didn’t change anything offensively. Still running through Edey, still have Smith and Loyer driving (Loyer getting destroyed a lot times) but where did those fouls go? Teams just started to play straight up defense against 7’4 290 without fouling? Almost every shot Zach made tonight could have been an and 1. Conversely, Purdue who was a team who didn’t foul that often on defense is now whistled for a lot more fouls than their average? Did something change there too? It seems pretty odd that it’s almost as if a switch was flipped.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

One of Purdue’s strengths during their winning streaks were free throw advantage (at one point they had made more than opponents had taken) A main reason for this was all the fouls resulted in them getting into the double bonus early and shooting an automatic 2 the rest of the way. Those early fouls have evaporated. They didn’t change anything offensively. Still running through Edey, still have Smith and Loyer driving (Loyer getting destroyed a lot times) but where did those fouls go? Teams just started to play straight up defense against 7’4 290 without fouling? Almost every shot Zach made tonight could have been an and 1. Conversely, Purdue who was a team who didn’t foul that often on defense is now whistled for a lot more fouls than their average? Did something change there too? It seems pretty odd that it’s almost as if a switch was flipped.

It was. The big ten office has 100% control on how games are officiated. All they have to do is have the director of officiating, put out a directive to stop all the abuse, but it’s obvious they refuse to. They want a down to the wire race and the only way to accomplish that is bring Purdue back to the pack.

 

[ddmills333]

Quit telling me what to do. I'll bitch about the officials all I want. They don't miss shots, but they certainly affect the game..

Bonefish is an old turd who doesn’t understand todays game. Disregard his comments.

 

[Gman544]

You don’t think the failure of officials to enforce the rules can contribute to missed shots?

12 in a row to end a game and 15% the next no.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Boiler Buck's creative suggestion about leaving at halftime is a fun thought; it would certainly put a new twist on the bus meme in the game thread!

Since Painter is not going to stomp around and scream like Keady and Knight or cause a flash flood watch like Izzo, my wish would be to have him tell Forman to have three copies of the rule book at the ready from now on.

The next time Edey is being illegally face-guarded, locked up (is the Wildcat Lock the hoops version of the left-wing lock?), hooked, and otherwise mauled, Loyer is getting hip-checked into the next county, or whatever, Painter should just calmly walk out onto the floor, hand a rule book to each official or drop it at their feet, and leave without a word.

It's out of hand and these officials need to be publicly humiliated, dissed, and put on notice before Zach or someone else is injured.

I can take losing a decently-officiated game, or even a little home-cooking. But NW, IU-NW, and tonight was not basketball as properly understood.

 

[tjreese]

Does CMP escalate his frustrations to the press or B1G office or just leave it alone as a lost cause and focus simply on game planning vs. the hack-an-Edey strategy?

Your thoughts on what, if anything he should do? Not saying him doing anything will change the situation, but what would you like to him to do, if only to make his thoughts known.

I'd hire Chris Beard and have him choke those SOB's after the game

 

[NVBoilerFan]

I'd hire Chris Beard and have him choke those SOB's after the game

Then him and him lawyer could buy them off and they could come out and say it never happened.

 

[tjreese]

Boiler Buck's creative suggestion about leaving at halftime is a fun thought; it would certainly put a new twist on the bus meme in the game thread!

Since Painter is not going to stomp around and scream like Keady and Knight or cause a flash flood watch like Izzo, my wish would be to have him tell Forman to have three copies of the rule book at the ready from now on.

The next time Edey is being illegally face-guarded, locked up (is the Wildcat Lock the hoops version of the left-wing lock?), hooked, and otherwise mauled, Loyer is getting hip-checked into the next county, or whatever, Painter should just calmly walk out onto the floor, hand a rule book to each official or drop it at their feet, and leave without a word.

It's out of hand and these officials need to be publicly humiliated, dissed, and put on notice before Zach or someone else is injured.

I can take losing a decently-officiated game, or even a little home-cooking. But NW, IU-NW, and tonight was not basketball as properly understood.

Matt is not going to do that or he will be censored. Talking heads can't comment honestly on what they see as far as officials and use their opinion. Coaches, can't do that either. Honest comments whether right or wrong are not tolerated. I've told this story before, but... there was a "junior high game" where one coach thought the refs were horrible...one in particular. He called timeout and picked out a kid he knew would do what he was told. He told the kid to guard the official. Play resumed and the kid started guarding the official. The official perplexed asked what he was doing? He said the coach told him to guard the guy that was hurting us the most and said that was you. Well, there was a tech and such, but you never know what you will see sometimes.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Keep tilting at windmills. See how many games that wins for you.

Bitching about the players doesn't seem to win games, either.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Honest comments whether right or wrong are not tolerated.

TJ, you have succinctly summed up the root cause of the unraveling of the known world.

As for the officials, I am tired of everyone treating them like a piece of Lalique and seemingly immune from correction.

 

[tjreese]

Then him and him lawyer could buy them off and they could come out and say it never happened.

and then it should be good to go for the next set

 

[Casey and his Brother]

Does CMP escalate his frustrations to the press or B1G office or just leave it alone as a lost cause and focus simply on game planning vs. the hack-an-Edey strategy?

Your thoughts on what, if anything he should do? Not saying him doing anything will change the situation, but what would you like to him to do, if only to make his thoughts known.

Sweet 16 coach at a sweet 16 program. Shame on anyone for thinking differently when the past 45ish years have been the same formula.

 

[Lionheart1]

Apparently this team is fortunate their softness wasn’t exposed until later in the season. Once it was shown that physical play along with officials swallowing their whistles would rattle them that’s been the norm. The rest of the season will be the same. Boilers better figure it out quick.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

Apparently this team is fortunate their softness wasn’t exposed until later in the season. Once it was shown that physical play along with officials swallowing their whistles would rattle them that’s been the norm. The rest of the season will be the same. Boilers better figure it out quick.

They seemed to respond to Painter's strong reprimand

 

[searscoach33]

It was. The big ten office has 100% control on how games are officiated. All they have to do is have the director of officiating, put out a directive to stop all the abuse, but it’s obvious they refuse to. They want a down to the wire race and the only way to accomplish that is bring Purdue back to the pack.

You'd think the Big Ten would realize it hasn't won the Big Dance in 22 YEARS, and maybe propagating that "style" of officiating is Killing our teams in the Tournament ?!?!?!

 

[pubill]

Sweet 16 coach at a sweet 16 program. Shame on anyone for thinking differently when the past 45ish years have been the same formula.

who do u want Calipari or who could do better?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Boiler Buck's creative suggestion about leaving at halftime is a fun thought; it would certainly put a new twist on the bus meme in the game thread!

Since Painter is not going to stomp around and scream like Keady and Knight or cause a flash flood watch like Izzo, my wish would be to have him tell Forman to have three copies of the rule book at the ready from now on.

The next time Edey is being illegally face-guarded, locked up (is the Wildcat Lock the hoops version of the left-wing lock?), hooked, and otherwise mauled, Loyer is getting hip-checked into the next county, or whatever, Painter should just calmly walk out onto the floor, hand a rule book to each official or drop it at their feet, and leave without a word.

It's out of hand and these officials need to be publicly humiliated, dissed, and put on notice before Zach or someone else is injured.

I can take losing a decently-officiated game, or even a little home-cooking. But NW, IU-NW, and tonight was not basketball as properly understood.

Here’s a crazy idea: for the last road game, at Wisconsin, just leave all the rotation players at home.

Bring Waddell and the walkons, have them play a 2-3 zone to stay out of foul trouble, and then explain after the game that B1G road games are unsafe and you want your team healthy for the NCAA.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

12 in a row to end a game and 15% the next no.

You didn’t answer my question.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Bonefish is an old turd who doesn’t understand todays game. Disregard his comments.

as opposed to a young punk that doesn't know anything. (i guess)

 

[bonefish1]

I'll be honest, I watched the first half recorded and mistakingly checked my phone at halftime, saw a text that they lost, so I basically fast forwarded to parts of the second have, saw they were down 15 and turned it off. I see a lot of whining about the officials, which seems to happen after every lose (it's the officials fault). In a 14 pt loss, how many of those can you pin on the officials?
Purdue shoot 15% from 3...2-13. How many of those 11 misses were they fouled on?
The bottom line is, in 3 of the 4 losses, Purdue had a halftime line and then couldn't throw it in the ocean in the second half. I don't think they've scored 30 in the 2nd half in any loss other than iu.

 

[tjreese]

I'll be honest, I watched the first half recorded and mistakingly checked my phone at halftime, saw a text that they lost, so I basically fast forwarded to parts of the second have, saw they were down 15 and turned it off. I see a lot of whining about the officials, which seems to happen after every lose (it's the officials fault). In a 14 pt loss, how many of those can you pin on the officials?
Purdue shoot 15% from 3...2-13. How many of those 11 misses were they fouled on?
The bottom line is, in 3 of the 4 losses, Purdue had a halftime line and then couldn't throw it in the ocean in the second half. I don't think they've scored 30 in the 2nd half in any loss other than iu.

Purdue had maintained the lead until the tech. It was a frustrated Mason seeing how the calls were going. Mason who has never been one to show any frustration on calls for three years showed his frustration to teh refs. There was a clear line of demarcation before the tech and after the tech. After the tech for whatever emotional frustration that swept through the team, they lost it. Maryland hit 3 3's during that run and Purdue who has played a lot of teams and maintained good offfense for almost all the games it played...went to hell offensively and defensively.

As an outside observer I'm guessing the game plan was to focus on breaking the press (no problem there), solid individual D on teh ball (much worse after the tech than before) and get Zach the ball when able to score at a high clip which would allow Purdue to maintain playing more with a set D...but Zach only scored 3 baskets of typical movement and visuals.

Purdue played 4 minutes and 40 seconds into the second half experiencing any adjustments at half and still had the lead. Then the tech and where 2 FTs and the ball brought things closer and the floodgates were opened.

 

[titaniumbolt]

I'll be honest, I watched the first half recorded and mistakingly checked my phone at halftime, saw a text that they lost, so I basically fast forwarded to parts of the second have, saw they were down 15 and turned it off. I see a lot of whining about the officials, which seems to happen after every lose (it's the officials fault). In a 14 pt loss, how many of those can you pin on the officials?
Purdue shoot 15% from 3...2-13. How many of those 11 misses were they fouled on?
The bottom line is, in 3 of the 4 losses, Purdue had a halftime line and then couldn't throw it in the ocean in the second half. I don't think they've scored 30 in the 2nd half in any loss other than iu.

Smart analysis. Refs always matter but at the end of the day if they're gonna let you play, PLAY.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I'll be honest, I watched the first half recorded and mistakingly checked my phone at halftime, saw a text that they lost, so I basically fast forwarded to parts of the second have, saw they were down 15 and turned it off. I see a lot of whining about the officials, which seems to happen after every lose (it's the officials fault). In a 14 pt loss, how many of those can you pin on the officials?
Purdue shoot 15% from 3...2-13. How many of those 11 misses were they fouled on?
The bottom line is, in 3 of the 4 losses, Purdue had a halftime line and then couldn't throw it in the ocean in the second half. I don't think they've scored 30 in the 2nd half in any loss other than iu.

When you’re getting mauled and thereby taken out of your normal offense, you end up taking a lot of late, bad, long distance shots. That’s how you shoot 15% from three.

This isn’t that difficult to understand, unless you’re being purposely obtuse.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Smart analysis. Refs always matter but at the end of the day if they're gonna let you play, PLAY.

They were only letting one team play. Hence the 6-0 foul count.

 

[Boiler BCT 93]

Quit bitching about the officials. They do t miss shots

The lack of calling the game right shifts momentum, demoralizes players, stiffles offensive flow, makes the shots harder/less open and creates turnovers

 

[SunnyFL24]

These losses have resulted in God awful 3 pt shooting! Morton plays great defense but his two 3's barely hit the rim! Loyer has to figure a way to use screens better and work a hell of a lot harder to get open for good shots...taking a lot of bad 3's.....Gillis had some decent wide open looks....but was looking to pass instead of shooting! And where in the hell is our Mr BB Furst been lately. traveled on an easy bunny shot....was expecting a hell of a lot more from him in the scoring dept. Plus MD had a hell of a lot more 2nd chance points! Several times Smith would throw the ball to Morton or Loyer during the press, and both instead of dribbling past the ten second line( several times with nobody on them) immediately threw back to Smith...by then we're are setting our offense up with 15-18 seconds left on shot clock....

 

[PaBoiler78]

One of Purdue’s strengths during their winning streaks were free throw advantage (at one point they had made more than opponents had taken) A main reason for this was all the fouls resulted in them getting into the double bonus early and shooting an automatic 2 the rest of the way. Those early fouls have evaporated. They didn’t change anything offensively. Still running through Edey, still have Smith and Loyer driving (Loyer getting destroyed a lot times) but where did those fouls go? Teams just started to play straight up defense against 7’4 290 without fouling? Almost every shot Zach made tonight could have been an and 1. Conversely, Purdue who was a team who didn’t foul that often on defense is now whistled for a lot more fouls than their average? Did something change there too? It seems pretty odd that it’s almost as if a switch was flipped.

this an excellent post similar to what I was going to say. the way the game is being called against us is obvious. It seemed to change a bit around the time we played psu, msu and their coaches were publicly saying no team should have that much of a foul disparity.

 

[bonefish1]

When you’re getting mauled and thereby taken out of your normal offense, you end up taking a lot of late, bad, long distance shots. That’s how you shoot 15% from three.

This isn’t that difficult to understand, unless you’re being purposely obtuse.

But, wasn't the NU loss also blamed on the refs? In that game, Purdue had a bunch of wide open 3s, I mean, shots without a defender within 6 feet, and they flat out missed them. They were good looks, shots you'd take every single time, but they just missed them. Had nothing to do with the way the game was being called. Make a few of those and it's a different game.
Again, I barely saw any of the 2nd half of the MD game but it Purdue players are missing good looks, then that's on them, not the refs.