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Why must we have so many threads about this kid? He has had more threads on this board than the rest of the players combined.
You're mad because I shared a quote by Purdue's basketball coach on the basketball board? Sorry bro
We had a conference game in which the 5 starters scored every single point. I for one am very interested to discuss the up and coming players on this team. They will be critical this season and beyond.
CMP also spoke about his getting more consistent is because he has been getting minutes and mentioned how hard it is to play well when there aren't enough minutes to spread.
We all know the reason we have so many Nojel threads. I think it would be good for everyone at this point if we avoid making more of them, but what do I know. That said, I can't remember the last time we had a frosh that plays ~10 min/game get so much attention day in and day out on this forum.
We all know the reason we have so many Nojel threads. I think it would be good for everyone at this point if we avoid making more of them, but what do I know. That said, I can't remember the last time we had a frosh that plays ~10 min/game get so much attention day in and day out on this forum.
Yes you can. Don't post. Let the others do it for you in their own positive take. Learn to appreciate their insight and communication techniques.
take a look at the 4 posts before mine. This thread is becoming a new thread about bad free throw shooting. I didn't start the bad news. I just opened the thread and walked right into another pissing contest.
We have some posters that question his production vs rating coming in, and others who try to kiss ass to his mother who posts in the forum. It's not that difficult to understand.
Edit: Production isn't a good word. I'd say, people are surprised about how raw of a talent he is.
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Until he develops a consistent 3 point shot, he will be a liability on offense. Teams will sag off of him to double Haas with no fear of getting burned by the 3 ball. Reminds me a lot of Kelsey Barlow - great athlete who could get to the rim at times; a good rebounder; a good defender; but inability to hit a 3 reduces playing time.
Not sure how many shots he took but I do remember him taking 1 three. He made the shot so not sure what you are talking about. In fact, I recall Nojel make the majority of threes he has taken. Not going to look it up, but that what I remember.
IMO there is no reason to think he can't develop his outside shot. Look no further than PJ, who shot .286 3P% his freshman year. They keys are patience and hard work. Hard work on the side of the player and patience on the side of the fans. A player is rarely defined by his freshman year.
But if it has already been discussed in multiple threads and not a single person disagreed with the point, then you are making an obvious statement for some dumb reason.
He currently is 2 for 5 for 40%. You can't really make an educated answer based on his limited playing time and his limited shot attempts from three. Does his shooting motion look a bit funky? It sure does...but a lot of really good hitters in baseball had awful looking swings that made it to the HOF. If the ball strikes the bat in a pure way, I don't care how the guy delivers the bat to the ball....the same could be said for a shooter. If the ball is going in the net, I don't care if he shoots it behind his head. GRANTED, I would prefer their shot to look like a Rick Mount, Larry Bird, and MJ.....but some guys learn to shoot differently.
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Because it looks to be that bad. Hope he works on it and corrects it, otherwise he will be a huge liability at end of game situations.
Agreed - but like I said, until he becomes a threat from 3 then his playing time will not be what some on this board would like for it to be. I can't remember which game it was but as soon as he came in the game the other team doubled our 5 the entire time - leaving NE all alone on the perimeter. The scouting report is out. It's up to him to change that report. In today's game, you have to be able to be a consistent jump shooter if you play the 1, 2, 3, and sometimes 4.
Right. And that makes perfect sense. And I can only think of one person beating the drum for more playing time. He's a freshman reserve filling 6-10 minutes a game. Third one off the bench. Not bad at all. He'll get his minutes next year and a whole bunch of them. All these threads in the meantime are just idle chatter. I think part of the intrigue is because we have so many "known commodities" on this team that people want to discuss the unknowns.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. That was another magnificent contribution that no one else has mentioned or even considered. In other breaking news, the sky is blue.
I'm an engineer, stating the obvious is what I do.
Hell, it what 90% of the discussion is here and has always been, now all of the sudden it's an issue? Guess we can just shut the place down then as general discussion apparently isn't allowed.
Except this was not a "general discussion" thread. You must have missed the threads where his FT shooting was the specific topic, discussed in detail, including a real plan for how it will be corrected.
Or as CMP has done in the past, he'll play the guys at the end of games that gives the team the best chance to win. Previously, Haas was taken out of the game if it was close near the end because his free throw shooting was awful...now, he leaves him in because he shoots above an 80% clip. If Eastern improves his free throw shooting, it's just one factor in to letting him play more and more....and I'm sure as much has been said to Nojel by the coaching staff already AND he has already been in the gym more and more to correct the issues.
Nope, I saw it, but this is yet another thread about Eastern and his free throws suck, so all relevant.
I've been watching Purdue basketball since Dischinger was playing in Lambert.
I'm not sure what anyone's expectations were before the season started.
I'm not sure what he and his mom's expectations were for playing time. He is playing behind a Sr. PG who will hold the A/T record all time at Purdue and hits at a 50%+ clip from 3 (he was in the low 30s as a frosh). An explosive So. Guard. A Sr. guard/wing who is the most underrated player in the country, and a Jr. wing/guard who is lights out from 3 and getting better at defense all the time. Nojel is still getting 10 or so minutes a game and I think they are increasing.
As for the fans we got a 6'6-7" guy who can play 3-4 positions and is athletic as he//. He is still learning both the offense and the defense and he seems to be improving every game. Does he have things to work on? Yes and so does everyone else on the team. Look at the shooting improvements in PJ, Haas, Cuanzo, JJ, and a host of others. His defense is improving and he is currently 2/5 from three.
He missed one free throw badly and we're still talking about it. I predict that Nojel will be all B1G in a year or two, maybe AA and we will all look back and laugh. As for his mom's typing and grammar that was a low blow. I probably have some typos and misspellings in this post. It's time to lay off him and his mom (yes I believe it's his mom), embrace them as part of the Purdue family, and enjoy his time with us. We may not have him for four years. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
I'm not sure what anyone's expectations were before the season started.
I'm not sure what he and his mom's expectations were for playing time. He is playing behind a Sr. PG who will hold the A/T record all time at Purdue and hits at a 50%+ clip from 3 (he was in the low 30s as a frosh). An explosive So. Guard. A Sr. guard/wing who is the most underrated player in the country, and a Jr. wing/guard who is lights out from 3 and getting better at defense all the time. Nojel is still getting 10 or so minutes a game and I think they are increasing.
As for the fans we got a 6'6-7" guy who can play 3-4 positions and is athletic as he//. He is still learning both the offense and the defense and he seems to be improving every game. Does he have things to work on? Yes and so does everyone else on the team. Look at the shooting improvements in PJ, Haas, Cuanzo, JJ, and a host of others. His defense is improving and he is currently 2/5 from three.
He missed one free throw badly and we're still talking about it. I predict that Nojel will be all B1G in a year or two, maybe AA and we will all look back and laugh. As for his mom's typing and grammar that was a low blow. I probably have some typos and misspellings in this post. It's time to lay off him and his mom (yes I believe it's his mom), embrace them as part of the Purdue family, and enjoy his time with us. We may not have him for four years. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Kelsey may be a better athlete, but Nojel no doubt has a better approach to the game. Being able to stroke a 3 ball would be great, but unsure if that is an absolute need. Stroking on a regular basis a 12-15 foot shot would allow a lot fo things on offense
I'm always think most can improve their shooting, but I am amazed with the improvement in FT shooting by Haas. That improvement would be a huge story for anyone, but at 7'2" and with his hands it is phenominal.
If you are going to handle the ball quite a bit...you need to be deadly with FTs in bonus...particularly late in the game. I think it was more important when coaching was allowed and you could decide enough is enough, but with the clock...the other team will most likely get the ball ina few seconds anyway now...
I think there is justification for your sentiment. I just refrained a bit because I was always hopeful that Kelsey would understand the potential he had physically...
I also think he gets more attention because he's one of the few relevant unknown things about this team. How many threads could there be about how good Mathias' all-around game is or that Carsen is explosive or Haas wears size 22 shoes?
It's pretty relevant to the success of the program how good he becomes. It looks like he could become real good, but the game is moving a little fast still.
Plus, you're right ... starting crap on message boards gets some people off.
Have to give a lot of kudos to Isaac Haas for his improvement in several aspects of his game....Rob Hummel mentioned it on the telecast concerning both the FT shooting and his ability to pass out of the double team (putting aside that he almost put one in the third row if not for some effort and athleticism from Carsen Edwards). I really agree on the FT shooting. For someone of Isaac Haas' size, 70% is good....80+% is just outstanding, IMO.
Freshman 76-139 (54.7%)
Sophomore 90-126 (71.4%)
Junior 123-173 (71.1%)
Senior 61-75 (81.3%)
Kelsey was effective in getting to the rim with his athleticism. Also, Lewis was very quick to the rim and almost unstoppable to the rim, and eventually had developed nice elbow shots and be effective. Neither were a three point specialist, but no one sagged off of them.
Nojel can be 6'6" Lewis. Let him be. Off season endeavors will be almost a guarantee on his shots with his motivation.
Go Nojel!!
Nojel can be 6'6" Lewis. Let him be. Off season endeavors will be almost a guarantee on his shots with his motivation.
Go Nojel!!
Lately, I see such a confidence in his FT despite having almost no trajectory.
Reminds me of my small ball FT with lots of spin, ^^b
He does have some line-drives in there....clearly confident, though. Small-ball takes time getting used to and vice-versa....those were the days.
With plenty of additional practice (as in 100s of made shots/day), he - or any player - will improve his accuracy. It's all about mental confidence, calmness, and muscle memory. I have worked with the late Ernie Hobbie (the original Shot Doctor), and while I don't necessarily agree with the basic form he taught, we both agreed that the simpler the motion - with the fewest muscles involved in shooting - would be the easiest to control and develop muscle memory. It seems to me that Nojel has an odd elbow tick in his shot, which would seem to be difficult to control. But I have found, in my years of coaching, that the older a kid gets, the more ingrained his shooting habits become. Granted, I have seen a rare exception, but at his age, Nojel will simply have to find a way to develop precise control over that elbow in order to develop consistency.
Of course, if he can get his game consistency - a lot different than a practice environment - to where his 3G% is serviceable in the mid- upper 30%, and - as you say - get his mid range pull-up working consistently, he can become a serious threat to score. That is, in my opinion, what made Smooge so effective at driving - not his ability to get to the rim, but his ability to pull up from 12'-15' and hit the shot consistently.
I think Nojel will get there with enough practice.
JMHOAU
