OT: What if NCAA actually drops the gavel....

[PU52Chevy]

On the following:

1) UNC for academic fraud
2) Syracuse...various program oversights
3) Kansas: Cliff Alexander improper benefits

They won't but what if........

Seems like it is cheat until you get caught, then get slap on wrist, wait a season and then cheat again but just a little less open about it.

Sad............

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by PU52Chevy:
On the following:

1) UNC for academic fraud
2) Syracuse...various program oversights
3) Kansas: Cliff Alexander improper benefits

They won't but what if........

Seems like it is cheat until you get caught, then get slap on wrist, wait a season and then cheat again but just a little less open about it.

Sad............

Kansas involves illegal payments from an agent. They will have to forfeit wins and any money earned from tournaments, but I doubt they get much more than that.

UNC has bigger worries than the NCAA. The feds are looking into that one which is why the NCAA hasn't done anything similar to Michigan and the fab five. (Not gambling, but they do receive federal money and most athletes get Pell Grants so the fraudulent classes are in play.)

Cuse has already punished themselves to a degree. They may get a bit more, but I don't think it will amount to a great deal. Some scholarships and maybe another year of no tourney.

 

[bocaboiler]

Times have changed. If Watergate happened today it would be a one day media event about a minor burglary and then quickly forgotten.

Whether UNC BB sees sanctions will reduce to the old argument, why penalize the current players, they did nothing wrong.

Speaking as a parent with 2 sons graduated from the UNC system, I find it deplorable they are in the situation where their diplomas are looked down upon because the BB team CHEATED, and tried to cover that up. Black eye to the entire university, everyone that graduated there, and everyone that teaches there. For Ev Er.

And then you see Roy boy putting on his schmaltzy bullshit act that just makes you want to puke. Roy, you're a CHEATER. Plain. Simple.

 

[BoilerJS]

Times have changed. If Watergate happened today it would be a one day media event about a minor burglary and then quickly forgotten.
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I think it depends on which side of the mass media you are on. If the IRS spends tax payer money to target a particular political affiliation it gets thrown under the bus. If Dan Quayle miss spells potato it is all over the press. Just sayin.

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by bocaboiler:
Times have changed. If Watergate happened today it would be a one day media event about a minor burglary and then quickly forgotten.

Whether UNC BB sees sanctions will reduce to the old argument, why penalize the current players, they did nothing wrong.

Speaking as a parent with 2 sons graduated from the UNC system, I find it deplorable they are in the situation where their diplomas are looked down upon because the BB team CHEATED, and tried to cover that up. Black eye to the entire university, everyone that graduated there, and everyone that teaches there. For Ev Er.

And then you see Roy boy putting on his schmaltzy bullshit act that just makes you want to puke. Roy, you're a CHEATER. Plain. Simple.

The UNC mess has had an impact on where my company recruits. Because they are not allowed to discriminate or even have the appearance of discrimination, they have simply stopped recruiting kids from UNC. It is too bad because the college used to have a good reputation for solid academics, and I am sure they still do.

The federal fruad aspect is something I had not realised. That will probably result in some criminal charges. Ugh!

 

[Cleanface]

SYR just got theirs...


The NCAA on Friday has suspended Syracuse basketball coach Jim Boeheim for nine conference games and has taken away scholarships as a result of a multiyear investigation into the university's athletic programs.
"Over the course of a decade, Syracuse University did not control and monitor its athletics programs," the NCAA said in a statement, "and its head men's basketball coach failed to monitor his program."
Syracuse's penalties also include a five-year probation and for the school to vacate all wins in which ineligible men's basketball students played in 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2010-11 and 2011-12 and ineligible football students played in 2004-05, 2005-06 and 2006-07.
In addition, the NCAA agreed to accept the university's decision for the men's basketball team to not participate in any postseason games this season, including the ACC tournament.
The NCAA said that the violation, which were self-reported by Syracuse and dated back to 2001, included academic misconduct, extra benefits, the failure to follow its drug testing policy and impermissible booster activity.
Other violations included impermissible academic assistance and services, the head basketball coach's failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and monitor his staff, and the school's lack of control over its athletics program.
The NCAA finished its 10-year investigation into Syracuse athletics in late October 2014. Boeheim and football coach Scott Shafer were among the school officials to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions.
The school initiated the case, which includes academics, when it self-reported potential athletic department violations to the NCAA in 2007.
Most of the allegations -- and the most serious ones -- involved the men's basketball program, of which Boeheim has been the coach since 1976. In addition to academic issues, both the men's basketball and football programs face allegations of extra benefits.
In an effort to be proactive, Syracuse self-imposed the postseason ban on the men's basketball team for this season in February.
In 2012, Syracuse declared former center Fab Melo ineligible for the NCAA tournament days before it started. Melo also missed three Big East games during the season because of an academic issue. Early in the 2012-13 season, former forward James Southerland sat out six games for an academic issue but helped lead the Orange to the Final Four.
In March 2012, school officials said the university had self-reported possible violations of its internal drug policy by former members of the team and that the NCAA was investigating. No members of that team were involved.

This post was edited on 3/6 12:22 PM by Cleanface

 

[*4purdue*]

Funny that they didn't think Syracuse didn't cheat in '08 or '09. How does that cheater keep his job.

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by bocaboiler:
Times have changed. If Watergate happened today it would be a one day media event about a minor burglary and then quickly forgotten.

Whether UNC BB sees sanctions will reduce to the old argument, why penalize the current players, they did nothing wrong.

Speaking as a parent with 2 sons graduated from the UNC system, I find it deplorable they are in the situation where their diplomas are looked down upon because the BB team CHEATED, and tried to cover that up. Black eye to the entire university, everyone that graduated there, and everyone that teaches there. For Ev Er.

And then you see Roy boy putting on his schmaltzy bullshit act that just makes you want to puke. Roy, you're a CHEATER. Plain. Simple.

The UNC mess has had an impact on where my company recruits. Because they are not allowed to discriminate or even have the appearance of discrimination, they have simply stopped recruiting kids from UNC. It is too bad because the college used to have a good reputation for solid academics, and I am sure they still do.

The federal fruad aspect is something I had not realised. That will probably result in some criminal charges. Ugh!

I doubt anyone goes to jail. More than likely the Feds won't do much of anything besides threaten them if it ever happens again.

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

So, does this mean IU beat Syracuse in the S16? Congrats, Crean! Time to make some new rings.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

The thing that always seems to both me about this is when teams give themselves self-imposed bans on seasons that are already a bust. And then the NCAA tends to treat that self-imposed ban as a good faith gesture to not destroy them. When in reality they aren't banning themselves from anything because they weren't going to get to the tournament or a bowl game or whatever. It's a farce.

 

[indyogb]

From what I've read, this UNC fraud went back *decades*. Don't just blame Roy. This also happened on Daugherty's watch. This also happened -*gasp*- on Saint Dean Smith's watch, as well. Honestly, this is a window into college athletics as a whole - everyone is cheating (even IU and Purdue). Even the few who aren't trying to cheat are surely breaking some rules (the rule book is almost as complex as the Federal tax code, and is just as confusing).

Honestly, Syracuse could've gotten worse. Sure, they lose a bunch of scholarships (more than I would've expected), and have to "vacate" some wins (which means nothing), but otherwise, they can wash, rinse, and repeat. Would we give up a post-season (that we were likely to miss anyway), and 12 schollies over four years for a National Championship? #$@! yes, we would. If the edge they received from impropriety got them over the top to the Championship, it was worth it.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by indyogb:
From what I've read, this UNC fraud went back *decades*. Don't just blame Roy. This also happened on Daugherty's watch. This also happened -*gasp*- on Saint Dean Smith's watch, as well. Honestly, this is a window into college athletics as a whole - everyone is cheating (even IU and Purdue). Even the few who aren't trying to cheat are surely breaking some rules (the rule book is almost as complex as the Federal tax code, and is just as confusing).

Honestly, Syracuse could've gotten worse. Sure, they lose a bunch of scholarships (more than I would've expected), and have to "vacate" some wins (which means nothing), but otherwise, they can wash, rinse, and repeat. Would we give up a post-season (that we were likely to miss anyway), and 12 schollies over four years for a National Championship? #$@! yes, we would. If the edge they received from impropriety got them over the top to the Championship, it was worth it.

'Cuse didn't really lose any scholarships. Now all they do is take them away from the worst four guys on team and give them to the new better four guys coming in. And figure out a way to pay the walk on's.

 

[SqueakyClean]

Syracuse also has to pay back three years worth of NCAA tourney revenue sharing. That is not going to be a small amount. I know that the Big Ten earned about 24 million from the NCAA tourney last year, so roughly 2 million per school if using equal revenue sharing. If Syracuse is in the relatively same boat, that would be a 6 million dollar price tag they have to fork over.

 

[Heller]

UConn won the title so the Big Least probably made more than that.

 

[Dandelion1972]

I couldn't agree more!