OT - Junior Basketball Association

[BoilerInChiTown]

I don't like this guy, but for once I applaud LaVar Ball for trying to address the inequity in the college basketball world. Although, I'm sure he's just trying to profit from this.

Coaches and universities are racking in millions for the services of these oftentimes broke, underprivileged college basketball players with nothing but a promise of a scholly and a little bit of a stipends. If you can afford to pay millions to the coaches, why not give them some more spending money???

The problem is getting funding/revenue to pay these players, coaches & renting venues etc. I don't see people lining up and pay to see these players play, as then you are competing against the NBA & their stars. A novel idea for those one-and-done players, but I afraid it's a good idea that will not work if they can't generate enough revenue.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ball-wants-start-league-high-school-graduates

 

[guppy likes purdue]

why would anybody want to watch this instead of the G-League

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I don't like this guy, but for once I applaud LaVar Ball for trying to address the inequity in the college basketball world. Although, I'm sure he's just trying to profit from this.

Coaches and universities are racking in millions for the services of these oftentimes broke, underprivileged college basketball players with nothing but a promise of a scholly and a little bit of a stipends. If you can afford to pay millions to the coaches, why not give them some more spending money???

The problem is getting funding/revenue to pay these players, coaches & renting venues etc. I don't see people lining up and pay to see these players play, as then you are competing against the NBA & their stars. A novel idea for those one-and-done players, but I afraid it's a good idea that will not work if they can't generate enough revenue.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ball-wants-start-league-high-school-graduates

Don’t have to sell tickets if you partner with a tv deal.

 

[Boilersss]

Don’t have to sell tickets if you partner with a tv deal.

What happens in a year when the NBA lifts the 1 and done rule? There will be no one to play in that league. It's a terrible idea.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I don't like this guy, but for once I applaud LaVar Ball for trying to address the inequity in the college basketball world. Although, I'm sure he's just trying to profit from this.

Coaches and universities are racking in millions for the services of these oftentimes broke, underprivileged college basketball players with nothing but a promise of a scholly and a little bit of a stipends. If you can afford to pay millions to the coaches, why not give them some more spending money???

The problem is getting funding/revenue to pay these players, coaches & renting venues etc. I don't see people lining up and pay to see these players play, as then you are competing against the NBA & their stars. A novel idea for those one-and-done players, but I afraid it's a good idea that will not work if they can't generate enough revenue.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ball-wants-start-league-high-school-graduates

The inequity? please...there's no inequity. That's why this won't work. They ARE getting a good deal.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

The inequity? please...there's no inequity. That's why this won't work. They ARE getting a good deal.

Agree here. I think a lot of it happens to come from the idea that you can't see a true 'monetary value' in what you get for an education vs. having access to real money. I'm not for paying athletes BUT if they want to have access to the money, I say the University gives them a check that contains the monetary value of their scholarship (room/board, tuition, stipend) all at once at the start of the school year every year. The kid is then responsible for paying his tuition, paying his room and board (dorms, apartment, whatever) and let him have access to it. If he doesn't pay, he gets kicked out of the university with a debt to the University to be paid back the whole amount of what was given to him via the scholarship. Essentially, the scholarships would become individual loans with zero interest to the player from the university.

I think it is ridiculous to even have a conversation about paying college athletes and if that is what is going to happen, I would rather scratch athletics from colleges and high schools and go to a club system like in Europe. At least then our National Soccer Team would qualify for the World Cup every four years. Let AAU be the system that it truly wants to be and thus removing lots of financial responsibilities from high schools so that school can be a focus of academics only.

 

[70boiler]

Agree here. I think a lot of it happens to come from the idea that you can't see a true 'monetary value' in what you get for an education vs. having access to real money. I'm not for paying athletes BUT if they want to have access to the money, I say the University gives them a check that contains the monetary value of their scholarship (room/board, tuition, stipend) all at once at the start of the school year every year. The kid is then responsible for paying his tuition, paying his room and board (dorms, apartment, whatever) and let him have access to it. If he doesn't pay, he gets kicked out of the university with a debt to the University to be paid back the whole amount of what was given to him via the scholarship. Essentially, the scholarships would become individual loans with zero interest to the player from the university.

I think it is ridiculous to even have a conversation about paying college athletes and if that is what is going to happen, I would rather scratch athletics from colleges and high schools and go to a club system like in Europe. At least then our National Soccer Team would qualify for the World Cup every four years. Let AAU be the system that it truly wants to be and thus removing lots of financial responsibilities from high schools so that school can be a focus of academics only.

An interesting concept that I more and more have come to view as rational. Unfortunate, but rational.
Sadly I see far too many kids focusing on school only to the extent that they see it as a tool to work toward an athletic scholarship to college and that only as a tool to a professional athletic career, when in reality they clearly have inadequate size and inherent skills that either is a realistic goal.

 

[proudopete]

Agree here. I think a lot of it happens to come from the idea that you can't see a true 'monetary value' in what you get for an education vs. having access to real money. I'm not for paying athletes BUT if they want to have access to the money, I say the University gives them a check that contains the monetary value of their scholarship (room/board, tuition, stipend) all at once at the start of the school year every year. The kid is then responsible for paying his tuition, paying his room and board (dorms, apartment, whatever) and let him have access to it. If he doesn't pay, he gets kicked out of the university with a debt to the University to be paid back the whole amount of what was given to him via the scholarship. Essentially, the scholarships would become individual loans with zero interest to the player from the university.

I think it is ridiculous to even have a conversation about paying college athletes and if that is what is going to happen, I would rather scratch athletics from colleges and high schools and go to a club system like in Europe. At least then our National Soccer Team would qualify for the World Cup every four years. Let AAU be the system that it truly wants to be and thus removing lots of financial responsibilities from high schools so that school can be a focus of academics only.

This is spot on! The education, room and board, books, as well as the top notch training these players get to prepare them for life is worth a ton. I see it more as a path for a “poor” kid to get a leg up in the world and become a quality citizen. That’s a path many kids without hops or ability would love to have. Leave it alone.

 

[Purdue85]

I don't like this guy, but for once I applaud LaVar Ball for trying to address the inequity in the college basketball world. Although, I'm sure he's just trying to profit from this.

Coaches and universities are racking in millions for the services of these oftentimes broke, underprivileged college basketball players with nothing but a promise of a scholly and a little bit of a stipends. If you can afford to pay millions to the coaches, why not give them some more spending money???

The problem is getting funding/revenue to pay these players, coaches & renting venues etc. I don't see people lining up and pay to see these players play, as then you are competing against the NBA & their stars. A novel idea for those one-and-done players, but I afraid it's a good idea that will not work if they can't generate enough revenue.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ball-wants-start-league-high-school-graduates

Why does this read like there's something wrong with making a profit? I sure as hell hope he stands to profit. There's really no reason to risk your capital (investment) if there's no chance for reward.

Oftentimes BROKE??? Who on Purdue's team is broke?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Why does this read like there's something wrong with making a profit? I sure as hell hope he stands to profit. There's really no reason to risk your capital (investment) if there's no chance for reward.

Oftentimes BROKE??? Who on Purdue's team is broke?

It's because it is a very slipper slope that is being tread by a snake oil salesman. Read the reviews of the BBB shoes....they are laughable. The shoes are flat out terrible pieces of work. They are literally made from plastic, fall apart almost instantly, and are very uncomfortable to wear...yet he is charging $500 a shoe? The family could have made more money just shelving the idea of BBB on their own, having Lonzo sign with Nike, and then selling BBB as a trademark to Nike as a sort of mini Jordan Brand type of extension. I am sure if presented as such, Nike could have easily come up with a massive marketing scheme and made the family millions of dollars more...but the father is about as narcissistic of an individual as I have ever come across....and I was married to a narcissistic/borderline personality disorder crazy person.

 

[70boiler]

Why does this read like there's something wrong with making a profit? I sure as hell hope he stands to profit. There's really no reason to risk your capital (investment) if there's no chance for reward.

Oftentimes BROKE??? Who on Purdue's team is broke?

So do whores and pimps, but it doesn't mean that I should think it would be good careers for my grandchildren to undertake.

 

[Purdue85]

So do whores and pimps, but it doesn't mean that I should think it would be good careers for my grandchildren to undertake.

there's a lot of risk, but no investment in prostitution.

 

[Purdue85]

It's because it is a very slipper slope that is being tread by a snake oil salesman. Read the reviews of the BBB shoes....they are laughable. The shoes are flat out terrible pieces of work. They are literally made from plastic, fall apart almost instantly, and are very uncomfortable to wear...yet he is charging $500 a shoe? The family could have made more money just shelving the idea of BBB on their own, having Lonzo sign with Nike, and then selling BBB as a trademark to Nike as a sort of mini Jordan Brand type of extension. I am sure if presented as such, Nike could have easily come up with a massive marketing scheme and made the family millions of dollars more...but the father is about as narcissistic of an individual as I have ever come across....and I was married to a narcissistic/borderline personality disorder crazy person.

so . . . I'm still not following, what's wrong with trying to make a profit? If the product is crappy (shoes, basketball league) the consumers will flee and no profit will be had.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

so . . . I'm still not following, what's wrong with trying to make a profit? If the product is crappy (shoes, basketball league) the consumers will flee and no profit will be had.

Nothing at all wrong with it...what I am saying is that he would have been better served trying to sell the BBB brand to Nike to be used in a similar fashion to the Jordan brand. Economically speaking, he would have made a ton more money going with Nike than staying with BBB.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/10/04/projected-profit-for-lonzo-ball-zo2-sneaker-with-big-baller-brand/

 

[BoilerGal74]

My concern is that most of these young men at this talent level have grown up working on their basketball skills year round and daily. But along with that has been the knowledge that their school grades ( elementary through secondary) were still going to be somewhat important if they are to make the next step in basketball. This would pretty much wipe out that incentive. While I do not think everyone needs a college degree to succeed in life I very much believe one needs to finish H.S. This new League would take away any incentive for players to meet secondary education levels... This new League is all about money for the Balls. Nothing I have read mentions any concern for the young players...Someone above usd the phrase Snake Oil Salesman and that seem pretty apprapo...

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

My concern is that most of these young men at this talent level have grown up working on their basketball skills year round and daily. But along with that has been the knowledge that their school grades ( elementary through secondary) were still going to be somewhat important if they are to make the next step in basketball. This would pretty much wipe out that incentive. While I do not think everyone needs a college degree to succeed in life I very much believe one needs to finish H.S. This new League would take away any incentive for players to meet secondary education levels... This new League is all about money for the Balls. Nothing I have read mentions any concern for the young players...Someone above usd the phrase Snake Oil Salesman and that seem pretty apprapo...

The NBA could easily require a H.S. diploma in a similar fashion that they have required a player to complete one year of college. Easily corrected in the next round of bargaining or in an emergency gathering of owners and the Players Association.

Companies like SIA, CAT, and Wabash National all require a diploma or G.E.D. nowadays. No reason the NBA couldn't simply do the same.

 

[BoilerGal74]

The NBA could easily require a H.S. diploma in a similar fashion that they have required a player to complete one year of college. Easily corrected in the next round of bargaining or in an emergency gathering of owners and the Players Association.

Companies like SIA, CAT, and Wabash National all require a diploma or G.E.D. nowadays. No reason the NBA couldn't simply do the same.

I think that would be a very smart thing to do.....Especially if this league takes hold. Athlet' Education is already laughable at some of these Universities which tells me it would be no different... These players may not believe they need a college degree when their playing days are over but would sure hate that to drop even lower.

 

[BoilerAndy]

There is also the question of "disparity" regarding the benefits that players receive vs. the salary of the coach. Many people think that the disparity isn't fair. Think about it. What would be fair to close this disparity? Should each player earn half as much as the coach? 25%? 10%? The lower you go, the greater the disparity. If you stop at 10%, then each Purdue basketball player earns more than $200,000. Now take those numbers across all coaches/players for all sports. It gets really messy.

 

[Purdue85]

Nothing at all wrong with it...what I am saying is that he would have been better served trying to sell the BBB brand to Nike to be used in a similar fashion to the Jordan brand. Economically speaking, he would have made a ton more money going with Nike than staying with BBB.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/10/04/projected-profit-for-lonzo-ball-zo2-sneaker-with-big-baller-brand/

my question went back to the original post.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Because he realized his two younger children stand zero chance of playing in the NBA.