Very talented team, I’ve been asleep, didn’t realize they had Battle from Minny, looking like Calbert Cheaney tonight.
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The offenses of these two teams are basically a one trick pony. You know what's coming every time down the floor.
iu has fouled all night....called sometimes. The fouling allowed - won the game for iu. A recipe they count on in a$s hall.
Positives for iu were XJ & Gunn providing unexpected scoring.
Positives for iu were XJ & Gunn providing unexpected scoring.
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I think that both of those teams are 'ok', i.e. likely NCAAT teams capable of beating you, particularly on their home court, but unlikely to be high seeds and teams that Purdue should handle so long as they keep their own turnovers down and stay out of foul trouble.
Good thing you titled the thread as you did or else people will complain about another Indinia thread.
Is anybody else ok with IU winning just enough to keep Woodson there a couple more years?
He's had success against Purdue, but that is about it.
He's had success against Purdue, but that is about it.
It’d be great to beat them but not the end all. The end goal is success in march. On one side it means Woodson sticks around and they remain mediocre but on the other side, it means they get their signature wins (since they have no good ones) and probably make the tournament.
So yeah, I’d like Woodson to stick around so they all keep complaining and arguing amongst one another.
Good win for them and breakout game for CJ Gunn. I think it will be a tough game for us and need Smith/Loyer to step up big.
As for Woodson - I don’t see him going anywhere and probably helps find his eventually heir. His challenge is roster construction for next year. They will lose X for sure and potentially Galloway, Reneau and Ware. They have 1 recruit in McNeely and have whiffed on a lot of other high profile guards.
As for Woodson - I don’t see him going anywhere and probably helps find his eventually heir. His challenge is roster construction for next year. They will lose X for sure and potentially Galloway, Reneau and Ware. They have 1 recruit in McNeely and have whiffed on a lot of other high profile guards.
You have to wait until 1/16 to know how good our Boilers are????????
If we lose @ iu, it will be about refs. Won't be about how good this team is......not one bit.
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I'd be surprised if both IU and OSU make the tournament. They would both have to have a STRONG B10 showing, winning the conf or tournament, and beat the likes of ILL and Purdue.
The issue they have is their resumes are weak, need quality wins.
The issue they have is their resumes are weak, need quality wins.
Ware is soft, he completely disappeared in the second half, Reneau is their best player in my opinion.
I watched only during the Colts halftime and Ware wasn't in there at all, so disappear is completely accurate. I thought he didn't play based on my snippet.
Yes.
If B10s 2nd teir of iu, NW, MSU, N or even OSU wants to make the tourney home wins are a must, and then 4-5 road wins will be their recipe. As likely only 3, maybe 4 of these teams get in
The only true ncaat locks at this point are Purdue, Wisky and Illinois....the conferences best 3 teams. So beating 1-3 of these @ their home court by the above 2nd teir would be a huge plus....as it was for NW.
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Most of the experts are projecting six or seven teams in the NCAA tournament from the Big Ten. I think a ‘strong showing’ in this case would be a 0.500 record in conference.
Ware is coming back from COVID and played a ton of mins vs nebraska the other night and was GASSED at the end of it. But with that said…when he has faced competition that is equal to his size and skill, it seems he does disappear/has trouble finishing or shooting over them.
Reneau is good, but still has slow feet on defense and picks up dumb fouls. But I think he is their best player as well.
They can’t shoot very well as a team but I expect them to have the best shooting night all year vs us 😂
Agree that this Purdue team is excellent regardless of the outcome on 1/16 but these guys do have something to prove in terms of toughness on the road and consistency. They should be good enough to beat IU regardless of the refs.
That's what I thought vs NW. But like NW, iu likely will shoot lights out. So the combo of a team playing 2 SDs above their ability, the iu ref home court advantage I saw last night is hard to overcome.
But with iu, MSU, OSU, N and NW all fighting for the tail end of those 6-7 ncaat spots......Purdue will get alot of opportunities to be "tough" on away venues. Not sure how many we play away. Not to mention @ IL and Wisky if we play them away. So far only failing @ NW.
Besides it being a rivalry where IU will always bring it, we are 1 in the country (again) and that will get everyone’s best performance against us and teams will be hyped and shoot well against a top ranked team. We have to ready for it and I think having the experience from last year will help. But with that said, still have to shoot well, keep our heads and play our game. Easier said than done!
You serious? I think this game could start similar to Illinois with us getting a big lead out of the gates and watching IU claw back because of fouls and lazy mistakes.
I think their guards offer some challenges. Xavier will most likely be guarded by Jones and he has to keep his fouls to a minimum. Would expect a healthy dose of Morton as back up.
Galloway - probably Loyer and he has to force him left because he is solid going right.
Cupps/Gunn - probably Smith. Think Smith will be good against both. Will be curious if Smith can Gunn into foul trouble which he has shown a tendency to get into trouble.
Reneau - TKR and Furst. He is probably their most consistent player and will get his buckets.
Ware - Edey. I expect a lot of drip coverage by Edey to keep IU out of the lane and force them to beat you with jump shots.
I personally want to see a Smith steal with an outlet to a streaming Heide for a windmill jam.
IU will attack the drop coverage with mid range stuff just like last year. Good thing JHS is gone because I don’t think Galloway has the juice.
Against IU you pack the paint and pressure the ball. They can’t shoot and you need to deny entry passes to Ware and Reneau.
who you think guards Mack? Wouldn’t jones be on him instead? I mean he’s not the quickest/most athletic 5 star ever but still has a decent shot.
IU should attack the drop coverage but technically they don’t have anyone that is good in the mid range like JHS (although he only showed up for our game and a few others all year). X and Trey aren’t good shooters off the dribble, Mack is slow but probably the biggest threat here. I’m sure he will somehow have the greatest game he’s ever had.
Forgot about Mack. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go back to 3 guards and have him come off the bench. When IU made their comeback last night it was with 3 guards. He isn’t a guard and can’t do as much off the dribble. With that said, you probably stick Loyer on him. I think X is too much of a load down hill for Loyer and Smith.
I am curious how they defend us and if they switch a lot on the perimeter and keep Ware on Edey and force doubles to deny entry passes. If Edey is 1on1 v Ware, he should feast because Ware isn’t a strong defender.
Yes. I am serious. This Purdue team is great. And for sure, I don't need to wait (per post I responded to) until 1/16 to know that.
The 3 guard look IU went with last night in 2nd half (X, Gunn, Galloway, Reneau, Walker/Banks) was as good as the offense has looked all season. Playing 4 and sometimes 5 out freed things up for drives down the lane and Reneau to operate against fewer defenders on the block. Will be very interested to see what Woody does the next few games knowing the offense clicked better with Ware and MM as spectators.
I can’t imagine woody plays that lineup for very long vs Purdue with edey in and having Reneau give up 7-9 inches in the paint and Reneau would def not be able to operate around edey in the paint.
But maybe that small lineup would work? Maybe Gunn figure it out and is the one to hit the midrange in the PnR vs edey…we will soon find out.
Reneau will probably need to guard Zach some that game, but won’t be shocked if Sparks sees a good amount of time that night too, like Durr did a couple years ago. Ware has his good moments on both ends, but the more crowded things are in the lane on either end, the less effective he is.
MM has improved some on his on ball D, but just can not guard off the ball at all. Battle would have had 10 3’s last night had that match up continued. Galloway, Banks and Walker did well guarding him the last 30 minutes or so.
Before all that though, IU will have their hands full at Rutgers Tuesday, a place haven’t won at in idk how long.
MM has improved some on his on ball D, but just can not guard off the ball at all. Battle would have had 10 3’s last night had that match up continued. Galloway, Banks and Walker did well guarding him the last 30 minutes or so.
Before all that though, IU will have their hands full at Rutgers Tuesday, a place haven’t won at in idk how long.
All true. Rutgers is always hard to play at, although they aren’t great this year..but road games in the B1G are very tough. Did banks play a lot better than at Nebraska then? Didn’t really catch a ton of IU OSU, so was just curious. Saw Gunn finally had a good game, which is great for him. If that hadn’t happened I feel IU’s fan base was gonna force the kid to transfer mid year 😂
Battle hit three 3’s in the first half. At least 2 were because MM got lost. Idk if the 3rd was on him or not. When Battle hit one less than 2 minutes into the 2nd half, Banks came in for a probably 8-10 minutes and I don’t think Battle scored during that time. Banks is much more valuable playing D, setting screens and getting offensive boards. He gets in the doghouse when he forces the action on the offensive end. Only scored 2 points, but IU doesn’t win last night without his d on Battle. After Banks went out, Walker and Galloway also played him well rest of the way. He only hit one more late.
As for Gunn, without a doubt, his best game at IU. Didn’t take bad shots. Got IU back in it late-first half. Wasn’t a defensive liability from what I could tell.
As for Gunn, without a doubt, his best game at IU. Didn’t take bad shots. Got IU back in it late-first half. Wasn’t a defensive liability from what I could tell.
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When you rewatch the beatdown IU handed Purdue in Mackey last season, IU extended the lead for a long stretch with Miller Kopp playing the four, so going small is an option.
Reneau is hitting 50% from 3, Ware around 40%, who does Edey guard?
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Zach probably can't guard anyone from the juggernaut that is IU basketball. Those guys are really good, they might even make NCAAT this year.
* Finally beats a top 50 team, runs to Purdue board *
Edey will very likely guard Ware, who will try to take Edey away from the basket. Ware is a decent three point shooter, but his outside game has cooled off lately against better competition. It's just not a problem for Purdue IMO.
I think Ware's biggest problem with Edey will be second-chance points, not post defense. Ware has been very good against true posts on the block, but has gotten bullied by big, strong players on the glass. I'd expect some Payton Sparks - an extra five fouls to give; however, Sparks really screws up IU's offense and allows Edey to stay near the basket, rim protect, and help with Reneau and drivers.
Seems like Edey gets hot and cold from the free throw line. Every single fan base (expect Purdue's) understands that Edey gets a very friendly whistle when he puts his shoulders and elbows into defenders; you guys may not like me saying that, but it's universally recognized and makes perfect sense for Edey to take advantage of it. How well Edey shoots from the line may be a key, given that he will get plenty of chances.
Finally, "even make the NCAAT?" Woody is two for two in NCAA tourney bids, and he's beaten the lesser seed in the first game both years before losing.
Cheers and here's to an injury-free game for both teams.
Good insight.
In regards to Edey, we understand he gets a favorable whistle, but the crazy thing is, he could get even more in his favor that aren't called. And yes, he does foul, however, he is usually 4-9 inches taller than opposing players trying to box him out so when he goes up and "over" them, he's just a lot taller and doesn't mean he is "going over the back" all the time (now there are times where there is contact and a foul should be called). With his shoulders and elbows into defenders, he still is allowed to have space. Defenders can't just be all up in him and not allow him to turn, thus when he turns, his elbows and shoulders also go. He is a big dude and it just so happens that his elbows are right at a lot of people's faces, so should he be penalized every time because the other guy is smaller? And again, there are times where he does clear space too much, I acknowledge that.
If Sparks plays, then I guess that means Woodson would go to a 10 man rotation? It seems he's limited it to 9 the past 2 games with X back and Sparks has been odd man out. Wonder how Sparks will do if he does guard Edey, as it will be nothing like he has guarded before and he has struggled with better competition bigs.
I'm curious to see how IU rebounds vs Purdue, as IU has *so far* shown that they are not interested in rebounding the basketball...ok they are interested, obviously. However, IU is not a good rebounding team (223rd) and Purdue (21st) is. The 3 ball will be one to watch for too, as IU only shoots 14 a game (350th) and make 5 (338th). Even though Reneau and Ware shoot 50% and 40%, that's on really low volume (Reneau 23 and Ware 18). Reneau's 3s have been very similar to Galloway's last year, where teams have left him open because prior to this 4 game stretch, he was a 16% 3P shooter. Ware, like you said, has gone away from the 3 as of late. So, if Reneau is guarded out there, I'm not sure he will get his shot off. If ware wants to draw Edey out and shoot the 3, I think Purdue will live with that. Anyways, the metrics don't really favor IU here, BUT that's why the games are played, right?
And the "make the NCCAT" is to the other IU poster who comes onto the board to not really discuss anything, but just drops (what he thinks) are "zingers". He has some pretty bad posts on the IU board, as well. But in all seriousness, if IU doesn't get 2-3 wins between Purdue (home/away), Illinois (away) and Wisconsin (away/home) and/or don't win the BTT, I'm not sure they'll get in because Ohio State is their only good win right now. Playing cupcakes OOC and not beating any non good B1G team (well I guess FGCU beat FAU?) may really hurt them.
As you know, IU needs these games more than Purdue, so I fully expect IU to be fired up and hitting a ton of shots they usually don't hit.
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