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1) is he a starter or a back up for Braden
2) if he's a back up for Braden how does he get enough playing time to be nba draft ready first year ?

Also are Murphy s minutes coming on TKR breaks and where is Burgess in rotation ?
 
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Assuming he can play D he just might start. That might be a big assumption though coming from a league not known for D..... Also assumed he can get by Harris and Cox....Who we don't know what kind of jump they will make in the off season
That is true. Look at how TKR made the big jump last year. He definitely put the work in during the off-season last year.
 
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That is true. Look at how TKR made the big jump last year. He definitely put the work in during the off-season last year.
I don’t mean this to come off mean at all but TKR has put in the work since he got here. I have been saying since I saw him at the scrimmage his sophomore year, before they went to Europe and no Zach (due to team Canada), you could see how good he was/going to be. He showed a LOT then and he showed it vs Illinois at Mackey when he took them to school.

While he def got better over the summer, I’d say it was more so not having Zach where he could show case it to everyone on a national stage.
 
I don’t mean this to come off mean at all but TKR has put in the work since he got here. I have been saying since I saw him at the scrimmage his sophomore year, before they went to Europe and no Zach (due to team Canada), you could see how good he was/going to be. He showed a LOT then and he showed it vs Illinois at Mackey when he took them to school.

While he def got better over the summer, I’d say it was more so not having Zach where he could show case it to everyone on a national stage.
TKR is such a beast….read somewhere how the shots he developed were developed because he had to beat Edey on a daily basis in practice.
 
1) is he a starter or a back up for Braden
2) if he's a back up for Braden how does he get enough playing time to be nba draft ready first year ?

Also are Murphy s minutes coming on TKR breaks and where is Burgess in rotation ? I believe CJ and Harris will both be really good players for Purdue long term

1) is he a starter or a back up for Braden
2) if he's a back up for Braden how does he get enough playing time to be nba draft ready first year ?

Also are Murphy s minutes coming on TKR breaks and where is Burgess in rotation ?
Professional scouts who exclusively cover international players, compared Mayer favorably to KJ from IL last year. Said he was a better prospect coming in to the B1G. For referrence, KJ went for 15,6, and 5 last year and is a likely lottery pick in this draft. Hope that answers your question.
 
Assuming he can play D he just might start. That might be a big assumption though coming from a league not known for D..... Also assumed he can get by Harris and Cox....Who we don't know what kind of jump they will make in the off season
I'm not at all sure that you can go from no D to decent D in a year of practice time. SO much to learn and become ingrained so you don't have to slow down and think about it. Hopeful he'll learn "our ways", but probably going to be a large challenge. It's almost a whole nuther game vs what he's been playing/learning.
 
TKR is such a beast….read somewhere how the shots he developed were developed because he had to beat Edey on a daily basis in practice.
He's been pretty weak against good shot blockers. Lots of really weak attempts swatted. Getting better, but much better at bullying lessor centers than doing great against top centers. Room to grow for this season. I LOVE TKR and his attitude and competitiveness. I'm not knocking him. I see what he can be.
 
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I'm not at all sure that you can go from no D to decent D in a year of practice time. SO much to learn and become ingrained so you don't have to slow down and think about it. Hopeful he'll learn "our ways", but probably going to be a large challenge. It's almost a whole nuther game vs what he's been playing/learning.
After seeing film focused on offense I naturally give him/Mayer a thumbs up but no film really on D and with Braden at a B- and Loyer at a C- on D the combo of Mayer/Loyer and Smith doesn't have that lock down D feeling that Jones brought or Cox/Harris , So while I give our offense potential an A going to next on offense to get where want to be FF/Natty going to have to be some serious "D improvement".

Cluff/DJ solve part of that but great defense like UCONN guards were with us , gotta get better. Also think Mayer will need a year to grow and lead offense. He does have flashes of a Rick Mount type guy.

Painter always leads with defense.
 
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After seeing film focused on offense I naturally give him/Mayer a thumbs up but no film really on D and with Braden at a B- and Loyer at a C- on D the combo of Mayer/Loyer and Smith doesn't have that lock down D feeling that Jones brought or Cox/Harris , So while I give our offense potential an A going to next on offense to get where want to be FF/Natty going to have to be some serious "D improvement".

Cluff/DJ solve part of that but great defense like UCONN guards were with us , gotta get better. Also think Mayer will need a year to grow and lead offense. He does have flashes of a Rick Mount type guy.

Painter always leads with defense.
They played pretty good D in the tourney. Adding bigs will help solidify their efforts I think.
 
I assume Coach will play a three guard line up. I thought Mayer would fill the role of a second guard type that can create his own shot. Kinda like a athletic/ball handling SF.

At 6-4 he can probably compete offensively against most 3’s. If he can not defend a 3…then he will have to defend the 2 and Coach will have to play Harris or Cox on their 3. Just thinking….
 
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I don’t think it’s so much individual defense. They’re all good athletes that can move their feet. It’s the team defense that the new players have to learn. When a Matt Painter team is playing his team defense it’s a thing of beauty. It looks like 6 players out there.
 
In all seriousness Carson Edwards could have had a chat with him and told him Painter is a great coach the kid could learn from and help him level up his game.
 
I think it's hard to speculate right now before the team gets together in the summer. Logical questions all of them. It will be hard to feed all of these guys because Braden and TKR will continue to be the majority of the offense. Hopefully between Mayer, Cox and Harris we get a lot of slashing to complement the PnR.

I'm more concerned about the defense as some others here are too. Yeah, we have improved rebounding and rim protection, but is that enough? I want the guards to be stifling to opponent ball-handlers like Houston is.
 
I think it's hard to speculate right now before the team gets together in the summer. Logical questions all of them. It will be hard to feed all of these guys because Braden and TKR will continue to be the majority of the offense. Hopefully between Mayer, Cox and Harris we get a lot of slashing to complement the PnR.

I'm more concerned about the defense as some others here are too. Yeah, we have improved rebounding and rim protection, but is that enough? I want the guards to be stifling to opponent ball-handlers like Houston is.
My take is I'm not as concerned about the perimeter defense. If a team gets hot from three, we also have the ability to make it rain from three. Last year, TKR was simply not a rim protector. When he tried, he was in foul trouble early. We gave up so many sort looks at the basket last year, especially late in the clock. I think this made the defense look terrible. And when they'd miss the short shots, we couldn't rebound. Gave up too many easy buckets and gave teams too many bites at the apple.

With DJ and Cluff, I feel like we have some rim protection and can end possessions with the rebound. The perimeter defense may be a little suspect with Braden, Fletcher and Oscar as the 1-2-3, but the other team then has to beat you with threes. And we're fully capable of matching fire power there.

Mayer being able to make his own shot changes up our offense significantly as well, he haven't had a guard like that since Carsen. The offense being very hard to defend, coupled with some increased level of rim protection and this team is suddenly MUCH better.
 
TKR is such a beast….read somewhere how the shots he developed were developed because he had to beat Edey on a daily basis in practice.
There was an interview with Braden before the season started (the NCRU run) and he said “TK has been killin everyone in practice, and he was killin Zach all day with his pivots and scoring at will”.

Once I saw the scrimmage that year and then saw TKR score at will vs Kalk in the charity game earlier this past year, I knew he could score on anyone in the country. It’d be great to see the defensive side (not just rebounding) improve this coming year. Hopefully, he is able to be a bit more aggressive with more depth now.
 
I think in his interview Omer stressed coming to a team where he had to earn his spot and wanted to elevate his defensive game , he found that in CMP, I feel they were perfect in there shared unity of the game and you will see Omer win a starting role because of his balance and coach able traits, like Braden when he started but he's more advanced. Based on CMP's game plan , he can go with a lot of combinations based on WHO there playing.
But we will make it RAIN 3's I'm convinced.. order up , Boiler up
 
I'm not at all sure that you can go from no D to decent D in a year of practice time. SO much to learn and become ingrained so you don't have to slow down and think about it. Hopeful he'll learn "our ways", but probably going to be a large challenge. It's almost a whole nuther game vs what he's been playing/learning.
Loyer has started 3 years now with little to no defense
 
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I think it's hard to speculate right now before the team gets together in the summer. Logical questions all of them. It will be hard to feed all of these guys because Braden and TKR will continue to be the majority of the offense. Hopefully between Mayer, Cox and Harris we get a lot of slashing to complement the PnR.

I'm more concerned about the defense as some others here are too. Yeah, we have improved rebounding and rim protection, but is that enough? I want the guards to be stifling to opponent ball-handlers like Houston is.
Agreed. It would be nice to use the depth with stifling defense for 40 minutes Ala Arkansas back in the day.
 
He's been pretty weak against good shot blockers. Lots of really weak attempts swatted. Getting better, but much better at bullying lessor centers than doing great against top centers. Room to grow for this season. I LOVE TKR and his attitude and competitiveness. I'm not knocking him. I see what he can be.
Who are the good shot blockers that he's been weak against? I buy 'less effective' but I'd want to see the data before I buy into 'pretty weak'.
 
He's been pretty weak against good shot blockers. Lots of really weak attempts swatted. Getting better, but much better at bullying lessor centers than doing great against top centers. Room to grow for this season. I LOVE TKR and his attitude and competitiveness. I'm not knocking him. I see what he can be.
Huh?? Who were the shot blockers?
 
My take is I'm not as concerned about the perimeter defense. If a team gets hot from three, we also have the ability to make it rain from three. Last year, TKR was simply not a rim protector. When he tried, he was in foul trouble early. We gave up so many sort looks at the basket last year, especially late in the clock. I think this made the defense look terrible. And when they'd miss the short shots, we couldn't rebound. Gave up too many easy buckets and gave teams too many bites at the apple.

With DJ and Cluff, I feel like we have some rim protection and can end possessions with the rebound. The perimeter defense may be a little suspect with Braden, Fletcher and Oscar as the 1-2-3, but the other team then has to beat you with threes. And we're fully capable of matching fire power there.

Mayer being able to make his own shot changes up our offense significantly as well, he haven't had a guard like that since Carsen. The offense being very hard to defend, coupled with some increased level of rim protection and this team is suddenly MUCH better.
yeh, having DJ back there, like Zach previously, is just huge. Braden and Fletch are always going to struggle against really quick guys and the way we overplay almost encourages ball handlers to drive on us. Funneling into Zach worked pretty well and they are both stronger and better able to engage defensively. I think with Cox/Harris/Mayer/Benter? we can keep them fresher and better much longer than in the past.
We DID get killed on SO many (seemed like) last second EASY shots in close. Going to enjoy watching some of those get sent back.
 
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1) is he a starter or a back up for Braden
2) if he's a back up for Braden how does he get enough playing time to be nba draft ready first year ?

Also are Murphy s minutes coming on TKR breaks and where is Burgess in rotation ?

Nothing is set in stone, but most likely Mayer starts as the Lance Jones 2nd ball handler roll AND backups up Braden, letting Braden play less than 38 minutes a game.

One of Braden and Mayer will be in the game at all times. Cox will get allot of minutes in the rotation.

If Mayer was American, he would be borderline 5 star recruit. But make no mistake, if Mayer is to start, and that is my guess, Mayer will EARN his starting roll.

Honestly think us Boiler fans are going to love the kid.
 
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Nothing is set in stone, but most likely Mayer starts as the Lance Jones 2nd ball handler roll AND backups up Braden, letting Braden play less than 38 minutes a game.

One of Braden and Mayer will be in the game at all times. Cox will get allot of minutes in the rotation.

If Mayer was American, he would be borderline 5 star recruit. But make no mistake, if Mayer is to start, and that is my guess, Mayer will EARN his starting roll.

Honestly think us Boiler fans are going to love the kid.
I see Mayer and Smith TKR and Cluff just destroying other teams with Cox Harris playing Jones role ....sprinkle in sharp shooters Loyer Murphy in Rotation could be the best 3 year ever. Bombs Away.....15-20 3's per game coming .
 
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Nothing is set in stone, but most likely Mayer starts as the Lance Jones 2nd ball handler roll AND backups up Braden, letting Braden play less than 38 minutes a game.

One of Braden and Mayer will be in the game at all times. Cox will get allot of minutes in the rotation.

If Mayer was American, he would be borderline 5 star recruit. But make no mistake, if Mayer is to start, and that is my guess, Mayer will EARN his starting roll.

Honestly think us Boiler fans are going to love the kid.
Right on having to earn it. Meyer, Cox and Harris are going to battle.
 
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yeh, having DJ back there, like Zach previously, is just huge. Braden and Fletch are always going to struggle against really quick guys and the way we overplay almost encourages ball handlers to drive on us. Funneling into Zach worked pretty well and they are both stronger and better able to engage defensively. I think with Cox/Harris/Mayer/Benter? we can keep them fresher and better much longer than in the past.
We DID get killed on SO many (seemed like) last second EASY shots in close. Going to enjoy watching some of those get sent back.
And remember you don’t have to reject many. It’s the hurried shots or deciding not to take it it to the hoop that will improve upon last years layup drills.
 
Loyer has started 3 years now with little to no defense
Loyer employs good team defensive principles & is very smart on D. His understanding on D is apparent in drawing charges and working with teammates to stop what the other team is doing.

I do understand your point though he doesn't posses the speed or lateral quickness to defend super quick or to recover out to the 3 line after a DT. But be specific, as saying no D, is really not accurate.
 
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