Good point, that would be my second guess, I think the first game of the season it's the 3 Sr's and Ivey and Newman, really fun to talk about lol.
Next years lineup?
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No he hasn't, might be a player that is a role player until Jr&SR year, might always be just that, Purdue needs those guys, I think Gillis might be another.
I don't know the stats like others but I thought Morton is one of the highest-ranked guards we've had in years. He is behind because he got sick at the worst possible time. However, from my personal observations, he seems to be a very good ball-handler who spots the open man and keeps the ball moving. I would like to see more of him and hopefully, we will soon.
Good points. I would add to your comments about Kaufman playing the 3 -- he has not played that position. According to Kaufman, Painter offered to help him to develop at the position, and he saw that Purdue will have plenty of help at the 4-5 positions to allow it to happen. Painter used the development of Vince Edwards as an example. I don't think Kaufman expects to start at the 3 in games from day 1. But who knows? We have been surprised at how far along players are and how fast they develop before.
I agree. And getting Morton may have opened up recruiting in that region, helping Purdue get a commitment from Jameel Brown and being a finalist for other players.
We also don't know how high Gillis' rating would have climbed had he played his senior year in high school. He was a 4-star whose rating was climbing. Who's to say that he would not have been a Top 50 player? As a freshman who hasn't played a game in more that 2 years, he has made a big impact on Purdue's season in the toughest conference in the nation. But Painter doesn't really care about player rankings. He puts his teams together based on how hard they practice and play, and how well they blend as a team.
That's why trying to predict a Purdue starting line is a fun thing to do on a frigid day in the region lol. This year to me is a nice Kickstart, hopefully get a tourney birth and win a game or two, next year I'd expect a top 3 Big Ten and at the least a sweat 16.
typo or Boileroidian slip?.....for some of us "old timers," every Purdue round in the NCAA tournament is a "sweat."
I tend to agree with a good part of your characterization.....patience as the team is building momentum this year....looking good for when the puzzle comes more into view.
I think fans misunderstand what Painter's recruiting pitch to Trey was. I'm no inside source, but I think it's far more likely that Painter offered him the chance to play 3 rather than to play AT the 3. It's nitpicky but most successful college teams run 3 guards with a SF and C or 3 guards with two PF's. Telling Trey he can play at Purdue's 3 spot would essentially be telling him there will be two guys bigger than him on the floor with him and I don't see how that would succeed from a spacing standpoint.
We have Trevion to lock down everything inside, so what I imagine Painter told Trey is he can play on the wing and facilitate from the three point line like a normal SF, rather than post up or take spot up 3 point shots like our 4 position does currently. There are a lot of misconceptions surrounding this idea because college is traditionally about point guards or bigs, and most of the great college players are one or the other. Players with a combination of size/athleticism and guard skills don't usually stay in college for too long, so they are less recognized by college fans that don't also follow the NBA.
Tre passing out of the high post could well be our best offensive set given out lack of pgs.
Worked awfully well with Biggie there. But he's not a good 15' at this point.
Zack shows nice form and touch on free throws. No reason mid range won't be part of his game.
But I think Furst and Gillis will be important enough that we want them in the game as much as possible, so probably won't happen. Hopefully Kaufman can play 3 or we've got a log jam up front.
In what way are you questioning his ability to play 4 next year? It's WHAT he IS. He's a fine center in high school, but he's 6'9" and not Trevion wide bodied. (But a rock hard 240) He has some nice post skills. So did Kenneth Lowe. He wasn't a center either. He can play it, but he can also be more.
LAST year he looked like a center. He was still growing into that BIG body (wait till you see this kid in person) and a bit plodding and mechanical, especially against big time players with quickness.
Well, that's changed in the past year and he now moves much quicker and more gracefully. He's increased his vertical noticeably and dunks with ease from flat footed. He can shoot the jumper just fine (very good free throw shooter) but when you are THE big man on a small team you don't want him out of the paint, so it's not on frequent display. He's got a Big 10 body RIGHT NOW and the feet to play a position of need.
Ya'll gonna like this kid. But not as much as Zack and Tre are gonna.
I see a freshman playing an increasingly important role as he gets minutes and continues to produce. He's made a difference since he's gotten minutes and is starting to look like a real keeper with a high ceiling as a very important cog
What role are you seeing?
In what way are you questioning his ability to play 4 next year? It's WHAT he IS. He's a fine center in high school, but he's 6'9" and not Trevion wide bodied. (But a rock hard 240) He has some nice post skills. So did Kenneth Lowe. He wasn't a center either. He can play it, but he can also be more.
LAST year he looked like a center. He was still growing into that BIG body (wait till you see this kid in person) and a bit plodding and mechanical, especially against big time players with quickness.
Well, that's changed in the past year and he now moves much quicker and more gracefully. He's increased his vertical noticeably and dunks with ease from flat footed. He can shoot the jumper just fine (very good free throw shooter) but when you are THE big man on a small team you don't want him out of the paint, so it's not on frequent display. He's got a Big 10 body RIGHT NOW and the feet to play a position of need.
Ya'll gonna like this kid. But not as much as Zack and Tre are gonna.
Well, Outside shot mostly. I have only seen clips and haven’t seen him play. I haven’t seen a full game. I think he’s going to be really good. I think he’s going to be All Big10.
My take is he’s got a game like TJD. Furst has more range. TJD probably a bit more athletic. But both play close to the basket. Am I off base?
Looks like Painter’s deepest team ever. That second team next year looks like it could compete well with last year’s first team.
I've watched just about every game and all of Morton's minutes. I actually thought he looked good against Clemson when IT couldn't bring the ball up the court against their press and Morton could. Since then though, I haven't seen Morton do much to indicate his high recruit ranking. Sure, he hit a 3 vs iu, but that should be the minimum of what he's able to do.
He seems to be playing a little tentative and not trying to make mistakes as opposed to trying to make things happen.
Ivey is the exact opposite.
Saw Doyle on the IU Star says the Boilers will be Final Four good next year.
When I see Furst I think of a bigger version of forward Matt Howard who, as an undersized center, helped take Butler to 2 National Championship games. As you said, Furst is skilled and strong. He's also athletic, gives 100% effort, and doesn't take any plays off.In what way are you questioning his ability to play 4 next year? It's WHAT he IS. He's a fine center in high school, but he's 6'9" and not Trevion wide bodied. (But a rock hard 240) He has some nice post skills. So did Kenneth Lowe. He wasn't a center either. He can play it, but he can also be more.
LAST year he looked like a center. He was still growing into that BIG body (wait till you see this kid in person) and a bit plodding and mechanical, especially against big time players with quickness.
Well, that's changed in the past year and he now moves much quicker and more gracefully. He's increased his vertical noticeably and dunks with ease from flat footed. He can shoot the jumper just fine (very good free throw shooter) but when you are THE big man on a small team you don't want him out of the paint, so it's not on frequent display. He's got a Big 10 body RIGHT NOW and the feet to play a position of need.
Ya'll gonna like this kid. But not as much as Zack and Tre are gonna.
Luke Harangody of Notre Dame, perhaps as well? Around that same time, too.
I really think Matt Howard was worth much, much more to Butler than Harangody was to ND.
That kid was an absolute workhorse.
Matt Howard was a stud. Would Purdue have been better off if he had committed before "the other guy" did?
Matt Howard from Wikipedia:
He is a three-time Academic All-American and the 2011 Men's Basketball Academic All-America of the Year as well as the 2009 Horizon League Men's Basketball Player of the Year. He was a 2009 All-American honorable mention by the Associated Press. He was the 2010 and 2011 Horizon League Men's Basketball Tournament MVP as well as a four-time Horizon League Men's Basketball Tournament All-Tournament selection. He won the 2011 Lou Henson Award as well as the 2010 & 2011 Elite 88 Awards. He is the Horizon League record-holder for career free throws made and attempted.
The division of minutes will be interesting. I don't recall a year in which such highly regarded recruits were brought into a Purdue team with such a mix of talent, experience, and depth. Painter could literally redshirt both Kaufman and Furst (he won't) and still field a really good team.
There is absolutely ZERO chance Ivey won't be starting next year. It may come at the expense of Hunter, or maybe Sasha. But I would bet my left nut Ivey will be in the starting lineup...
I’m not making any nut bets. Ivey could very well start or be a guy that provides instant offense off the bench for 20 mpg. Newman could be our best all around guard. Sasha is our best shooter. Hunter might be the only one that resembles a starting point guard.
The right one is always worth more.
No, that's a decent assessment. TJD does it with quicks, CF with power. But again, CF CAN shoot the mid range jumper just fine. AAU showed more of that. His HS team needs him in the paint and as he's very coachable, he does that. Not sure where the range stops or how many we want him shooting with all the shooters we've got (in the paint, REBOUND..... the end) but he'll be fine. I think he starts by tourney time, but hard to predict where Gillis, Kaufman, etc end up as I expect them to improve too and not roll over. Right now if he was here I think he'd be the starter from day 1 on this team.
Just not sure how you bench Sasha or Hunter during their senior year if both are healthy. Could see Ivey lead all guards in scoring as the 6th man
You may want to put some conditions on that bet (he has to be on the team, healthy, no injury, eligible). We take our sports seriously on this board and when you make a wager, we hold you to it.
Yes, I'm only joking. And yes, those conditions apply. And no, I'm not literally giving up my left nut...😁
What's being a senior have to do with anything? If there are better players that deserve to play, then Sasha or Hunter won't play. We aren't passing out participation awards here. We're trying to win championships.
Here's the question. What is it that makes them "desrve to play"?
I assume(if you're married and like most married men) that your wife already has the claim ticket on those anyway.
Ivey certainly has the highest upside but at this point Ivey is loosing minutes to Thompson. IT played 26 minutes yesterday and Ivey 18. There are plenty of minutes for 4 guards so I don't think its worth debating who the top 3 are. The problem Ivey has he needs to show Painter that he clearly deserves more minutes than Thompson and Morton. When that time comes, the minutes will take care of themselves.
I do agree that if Purdue is going to be as good as we hope they can be next year the lions share of the minutes at the 1,2 and 3 need to go to Newman, Ivey, Sasha and Hunter.
I think Morton and Thompson will battle this offseason to see who is better at getting the ball over half court when there's pressure. Our biggest weakness is teams applying a lot of pressure, so having another true PG to get the ball into the offense without any mistakes will be helpful. Also for end of game situations, free throws will be important for whichever one of those two claims the backup PG spot
Thompson played 26 minutes last night. Evidently Painter likes him more than you do.
Yes - One of our very close calls to maybe final 4. Coulda shoulda woulda. Especially after Robbies knee.
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I haven't seen Kaufman personally, so I can't say.
I just see what Furst has and what this team needs/will need and it's a pretty tight fit.
If you think Kaufman will start because he's better offensively, I'd say I think you're wrong. Not that he's not better offensively, but that Furst will do all the other things too well to ignore.
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I'd call that pretty damn close. Harangody was an absolute beast. Be thrilled is he matched that.
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