You think we might be loaded next year at guard!!!! Carsen, Eastern, Mathias, PJ and Cline.
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Explosiveness, big and skilled, fantastic passer/scorer, runs the show, deadly shooter.
Vince, Smotherman, and Wheeler add more, slightly longer/larger athletic skill. Should be able to put some athletic D out there too.
Careful, first you come off like you are a closet Peegster wanting us to hire Stevens now you want to be a bandwagon fan of Matt Painter's recruits. Just a little bipolar are you???
If there's scholarship room next season, I would like to see two types of players added (might already have them?: I can't really tell since Nojel Eastern was the only 2017 commit highly-regarded until Aaron Wheeler started garnering some attention nationally). If they can add another guard with the type of abilities that C. Edwards has (maybe Eastern is already that? I don't know if he has as good of a jump-shot or if he's as explosive) and then a tall forward (or forward/center) with length and athleticism that can block shots and be an impact defender overall (again, might sort of have that with Matt Haarms but as of now, I'm not sure that he's projected to be an instant impact player), Purdue will be looking very strong, personnel-wise.
Does anyone know how Eden Ewing is doing in JUCO? It looked like his numbers were very modest when someone posted them a few weeks ago. Haarms is a different type of player than Painter has normally recruited, so I sort of questioned that and I'm interested to see how that works but I can see upside with his addition, despite my skepticism. However, I feel like CMP (and/or staff) reached with his/their offer to Ewing. I was hoping the coaching staff would scour the JUCO ranks to try and find one of the best players but it looks like Ewing is kind of an average JUCO player, not a superstar.
Yes I might be toward big games or post season results. I thought last year we were loaded and we were one and done. Until MP starts beating the big guys or has substantial post season results I guess I can wonder what it would be like to have guy that took Butler to the FF twice. I give full credit to MP for getting CE and NE. Not a MP hater at all, but you have to admit the next level results hasn't happened. I truly hope he gets there. Beating Notre Dame at Bankers would seem to be the next test.
Here you go, Nag:
http://njcaaregion14.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/players/edenewingdnvw?view=gamelog&pos=sh
64% from the floor, 67% from three (on limited shots), the 55% from the line is skewed by a 2-7 first game. Needs to cut down on the turnovers so it looks like he'll fit right in.
Here you go, Nag:
http://njcaaregion14.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/players/edenewingdnvw?view=gamelog&pos=sh
64% from the floor, 67% from three (on limited shots), the 55% from the line is skewed by a 2-7 first game. Needs to cut down on the turnovers so it looks like he'll fit right in.
Is he a superb athlete? If not, I'm not seeing how he'll translate into much of a player at Purdue. Maybe he can improve his perimeter shooting and be able to shoot off the bounce.
I stand corrected then, thank you. Numbers wise, I'm not foreseeing him being able to make the jump and make a significant impact (i.e. 20 MPG or more player at Purdue) but we'll see.
Which happens to you quite often. But at least you acknowledged it this time.
Hopefully he's just coming off the bench behind Vince and Isaac at the 4 and 5 next year.
Yeah, that 67% from 3 is way under par. If kicks that up to say, 80%, maybe he can get some mop up duty.
Yep and guys over 6'5" have to play guard and those under have to play up front. Defense only is allowed to play zone as well.
JUCO isn't the same level of competition as NCAA DI. It makes a difference, even when shooting 3PT's. If you don't think it does, you're deluding yourself.
Nags,
Go out to the Tyler JC website, athletics, basketball schedule. Has game recaps. He prob avg about 12 pts, 8-10 rebs. Has several 13 pts games, high think is 18, low 5. Has a few double digit rebound games.
http://www.apacheathletics.com/schedule/0/4.php
I agree that different levels are different levels, but let's temper some of that. The general population will produce more smaller 1-3 players than 4-5 players in D1.
Therefore, I consider it reasonable to assume that there are more quality bigs as a percent playing in D1 than in Juco. Whatever that number I would then assume that guards and wing players...more numerous in the population you draw from provide less dispersion between juco and D1and so in a general sense I believe "overall" there are more equalty talented players that are juco in the 1-3 spots than the 4-5 spots and the 1-3 spots are shooting the three's mostly. None of this is to suggest that 1-3 juco players are of equal ability in the juco as D1, but merely to suggest that those positions seem to me to be a more compatible comparison than 4 and 5's...generally. This understanding is why we have the rule emphasis the last few years and the 3 ball in general.
Until a player shoots 100 or more three pointers the dispersion between percentage for comparison jumps more than 1% making accuracy of percentage shooting based on the actual data coarse.
Or maybe I'm just having fun with your silly posts. The funniest part is that you spent most of this summer complaining about painter not recruiting any JUCO's and the minute he does you complain that he is not a good JUCO. Someone shows you that he is a highly ranked JUCO so you say he has bad numbers. Someone shows you his numbers are pretty good so you say the sample size is too small.
Who is deluding whom?
Let's not ignore the fact that Ewing is the #4 rated JUCO player in the country right now.
I bet I can guess which deluded member of my ignore list you're conversing with.
Exactly. A high end JUCO has the advantage of having played against more physically and mentally mature players than the HS kids have played. He has a good chance of contributing immediately.
I don't think he'll start as I think Basil is fast tracked for that in the post BUT I do think he can peak out about 20-25 minutes per game at times next season.
Ha! I'm sure you can. I consider it sport. I point out the horrible flaws in his thinking until he gets frustrated and puts me on ignore again. Then I still point them out. He's kind of like reasonable guy except reasonable guy knows what he's doing.
We have a pretty decent history with junco players. I'm sure we have gone thru this before but let's list some of them. This is testing my memory...
Chuckie White
Jimmy Oliver
Doug Lee
Kenny Williams
Roy Hariston
Chuckie White
Jimmy Oliver
Doug Lee
Kenny Williams
Roy Hariston
Arnette Hallman and Mark Atkinson as well, IIRC.
Really liked Doug Lee....think he was a regular transfer from Texas A & M....he gets lost sometime from that really good '87 Boiler team, which unfortunately stumbled big time down the stretch even though being co-conference champs.
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Wasn't Doug Lee a transfer from a four year school? And Jimmy Oliver was a prop 48 IIRC.
yes Heller, to my knowledge. Doug Lee transferred from A & M, and JO (the first) was Prop 48. IIRC, he and Glenn Robinson were the only Prop 48 basketball players for Purdue.
Doug was juco I believe and Jimmy who roomed with my nephew for a year was a prop 48. Jimmy was a very talented, polite kid.
Doug Lee was great. He did the little stuff and could knock down the big shot when you needed it.
Including this one against Illinois in a crazy game....I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago....but worth an encore.
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